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Tin What line breaks? Senior Forumologist 54 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 1:11 PM	Is there any chance of APC going back to a moderated comments system on the articles? Personally, I've been sick of Raindog arguing with the usual suspects for a few months now. It clogs up the sane posts with pointless crap once it turns into dictionary definitions and name calling. Which in turn makes it time consuming to get any further interest out of.
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The Penguin The Leopard Seals are coming... Cornerstone member 55 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 7:11 PM	Spam filters on the forums could be good too.
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plutonium210 Advanced member 32 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 8:11 PM	Yes! APC. Lets moderate this site. Your 'Report Abuse' Button is as toothless as 'Fuel Watch'. Your comments section is being dominated by the usual suspect bagging everything that is posted. And inevitably it turns into a food fight when someone disagrees with the self-righteous know-it-all.
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Your Average Joe Senior member 28 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 8:11 PM	plutonium210 wrote: the self-righteous know-it-all. Ooh Ooh Ooh, I know who it is! ................... Can I name and shame, please please ;)
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plutonium210 Advanced member 32 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 8:11 PM	Your Average Joe wrote: Ooh Ooh Ooh, I know who it is! ................... It hardly requires a Sherlock Holmes does it :) Tin's thread should encourage everyone who is sick of these foodfights and specifically at the common denominator involved, and vote for a moderated forum.
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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor Senior Forumologist 161 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 9:11 PM

plutonium210 wrote: Yes! APC. Lets moderate this site Whose site? The way you make demands you must believe it is your site. plutonium210 wrote: Your 'Report Abuse' Button is as And you have a better alternative? plutonium210 wrote: the usual suspect The usual suspects. not playing by the rules, making demands, showing rudeness to all around them. Yes Pluto you and YAJ are the nes who cannot behave politely. plutonium210 wrote: when someone disagrees with the No the food fights begin, when you show no respect for others, and when you become even more abusive once your bad behavior is called. You've been banned before clearly this has done nothing to curb your poor attitude and continual disrespect!

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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor Senior Forumologist 161 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 9:11 PM	Your Average Joe wrote: Can I name and shame Go ahead. The real question is are, (or will you ever be) capable of you presenting any argument in a civil and non abusive manner?
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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor Senior Forumologist 161 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 10:11 PM

plutonium210 wrote: should encourage everyone who is sick of these foodfights and specifically at the common denominator involved, and vote for a moderated forum. Ok, it's moderation you want. Some quick questions. Wouldn't moderation be a controlled enforcement of the site T&C? It's APC's site so it is entirely up to them how it is moderated and their decisions are final, it is not a democracy. That said Dan has shown by word and action that he will do what is possible to allow everyone, (who can do so within the T&C) to be able to put forward an opinion. I dont see anywhere written where opinions should not be questioned or commented. Without cross-replies a forum is little more than a graffiti board or guest book. Next question, who do you think will do this moderation? I'm pretty sure some of the saner contributors here have been asked if they'd consider a moderation role. Are those that are asking for moderation (the sane ones at least) putting their hands up and offering their time? I'm sure someone will suggest APC staff should be performing the moderation role, who pays for their time to do this? Who would think it a good idea that journalistic efforts were foregone so that someone could take the role of childminder or web nanny? you only have to look at Whirlpool to see that moderation, that is the appointment of moderators does not always work. No utopia, sorry, despite the best efforts of the sites creators. While there are many moderators there who do their job well there are others who are dictatorial, pedantic and at times very biased. Careful what you wish for, and careful what you demand. And as I've stated before end of the day it's APC's forum, and they can run the site any way they see fit. I'll call for moderation too, moderation of some attitudes, an article you may not like is not an invitation to call the author a pillock. An opinion unlike your own is perfectly valid. An ability to accept alternate points of view is essential, as is the abilty to understand commenting or questioning of a reply is not a personal afront. Those so insecure in their points of view that they cannot cope with replies should perhaps question themselves a little more before commenting. End of the day the moderation required is quite simple. The self moderation of the personal attacks, the rude attitudes, and the attempts to shout out others. Those who are still hell bent on missions will not be moderated by any means, for perpetual offenders ther is only one solution! The spam filter idea is a good one, athough I'd doubt it can be achieved without a greater level of user inconvenience.

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Tony23 Cornerstone member 13 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 10:11 PM

I'm happy to have a no-moderation site. The forums can get a bit heated at times, but people are passionate about their technology of choice and stripping away the emotion, the points are often valid. We have all posted stuff in forums that we wish we hadn't in hindsight, and that feeling of "oh, that's not a great look" tends to be self moderating. To me the diversity of views makes for an entertaining and at time educational read - it's the diversity of views which makes the APC site good (and I also think Whirlpool is good). There's probably some merit to also putting the "free speech" card on the table (as long as lawyers don't get some trade). I must admit that I haven't read the T&C (sorry Dan), so just thought I would interact with others on here like I'd like to be interacted with, and not abuse the site by acting commercially. Seriously, it's a good site, with a predoninantly good community that cares about the tech not about grandstanding. One thing which might help is an "issue or the man" button. I don't want to read a mega dry technical site with no passion, but by the same token a flame-fest with avatars at 20 paces can get dull. A means of providing feedback to a user via a non-personal attack method might reinforce positive behaviours without generating a bi-directional flame fest. I guess I'm thinking of a "respect profile" being created through peer review. There are some users who are particularly technical, and it would be good to acknowledge them. Or indeed even helpful - I just read an article on the songbird mp3 player, and the guy who posted about it has done me a service as it seems pretty darn good.

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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor Senior Forumologist 161 posts Posted: 07/11/2009 11:11 PM

Tony23 wrote: I don't want to read a mega dry technical site with no passion, but by the same token a flame-fest with avatars at 20 paces can get dull. Fair comment. and an excellent post. Tony23 wrote: There are some users who are particularly technical, and it would be good to acknowledge them. Too true. As this is perhaps my biggest gripe, many will not make the effort for detailed contributions in an environment that has post authors being slagged off and the food fight we're on a mission mentality rampant.

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