HP launches RedHat Linux desktop PC

johnmar:

PC users will surely be the winners here.

tin:

Another big brand giving Linux as an option. Steve Ballmer's going to have a fit.

SandraMadness:

This is good news!! I was unimpressed with Dell/Linux offering, it stunk of Dell's cheapness. But this is a much more mature approach from HP. I believe this package is a lot better in areas of compatability asnd distro stability. Using the cheaper and albeit less powerful AMD combos with this distro will give consumers better performance than say a $1000 "Vistel" job. I just hope the support from HP is as good as it always is as this will only help the platform. I also believe that the Dell offering was rushed to market. Tell me if I am wrong.

Ex-Dell Employee but still not bashing:

Here we go again... does anyone get tired of
Dell bashing? Be mature about it and don't talk about something you don't know about. Seriously... Dell's linux offering
is actually a very good one, yes they had stupidity
issues as far as how much they were charging at first
but that mistake was fixed. Now why does it seem that
Dell is being cheap? Because of the Distro they are
using... maybe you should try using Ubuntu, it is
about a million times better than RedHat. RedHat is
a stale company that has been around in the linux
world since well.. forever. And yet their achievements
as far as improving linux for the "non-geek" has been
nothing less than disappointing. While Ubuntu has
been around maybe a blink of Linux's life and yet
is in my opinion a better OS than RedHat's just because
it is simpler... Simple works... look at OSX. And a
Distro that releases every six months without fail
and always has the issues already ironed out and
makes leaps in Linux technology and compatiblity
is definatly not an immature company. Take it
from someone who had to support RedHat and had multiple
20-30 hour long calls that involved something that
in RedHat is more manually configured and in Ubuntu
is automated. Plus automatix is only available as a
.deb package so it will not work with RedHat but will
in Ubuntu. (Automatix is a wonderful program that
automates many complex tasks for the "non-geek") I
think that the reason HP took RedHat is because Dell
probably has an exclusivity contract with Ubuntu. Oh
yea and Dell was offering RedHat a couple years ago
the support was handled by RedHat as I imagine will
be the case with HP and yea... Have you talked to
those people?

Jon Jahren:

Flaming Red Hat, consequently spelling their name wrong, and suggesting the use of a program known to cause problems. You sir, are a retard. No wonder you worked for Dell. :-)
Is it true that Dell is the only manufacturer that can redistribute Ubuntu? Then Shuttleworth is a very poor businessman.

runlevel:

lole @ stale. are you kidding me. newbuntu is only good for a desktop enviro i agree. but calling RH a stale company is a joke, stale as in.... still kicking ass since the 90's? get real. its much more documented.. its huge in the server market.. and its MUCH more solid than any newbuntu install ive ever ran. automatix is a complete joke in itself.. your obviously a newb yourself so i guess i should take your rants with a grain of newb salt. /lol on you newb.

oh and btw...

your a newb.

ubuntustudio:

Dell by no means rushed the release of its open source options. Currently Ubuntu is one of the most user friendly and continually updated open source os available today. What other free os do you know of that offers automatic updates of software and security. Also of all the different free distros that I have tried it was one of only two that when loaded on my Intel powered notebook and amd powered desktop did it automatically install all the necessary drivers. Before making comments about how things are look into the facts.

Scott:

Choice is good, so good on HP (not that I'll ever have anything to do with them again after having to deal with their customer "service"). But, even though the price is good, how is this going to look, a cheap, underpowered, unknown quantity stuck at the end of a bunch of big ticket, shiny and powerful, Wintel stuff. Will it get enough people interested to justify it's continuation?

bertilP:

As HP is my definite PC for buy I'm delighted that there will be pre-installed Linux as OS.
Thank you HP.

compnut:

fedora,Red hat,Ubuntu and openSUSE are the best linux distros eva

Mehdi Taileb:

Things are definitely changing since Dell jumped in the (so far confidential) GNU/Linux desktop market. It was clear that it was going to induce some reaction from its rivals (especially after the commercial success of the first Dell GNU/Linux PCs), and here is HP, the "world's largest PC manufacturer", joining the party.
Yes this is for the user's best, since so far the market was dominated by the monopoly of a proprietary operating system. But may be more important than that is the fact that it will bring the Free Software "philosophy" to the public's knowledge, which will hopefully revive the meaning of user freedom which characterized computer software before the 80s.
Great news.

CevO:

I am sorry to see that yet another Gnome based distro has made its way to corporate users. Without trying to start a flamewar, I really don't understand why KDE is structurally being ignored. This is a dangerous development that may lead to erosion in the Linux Desktop landscape.

old_misery:

I, also, am not trying to start a flame war, but I think KDE is passed by so often is that, in general, it's not as pretty as GNOME, or as easy to use, or as consistent.

Maybe KDE4 will fix a few of its problems.

Mac-Linux-BSD User:

Because Gnome is more functional for the average user, is highly customizable for the advanced user, and has much better UI consistency. KDE should be ignored until it becomes at very least more usable than the Windows 95 UI.

I used to like KDE... back when Win98 was king...

Linux-BSD-Windows user:

"KDE should be ignored until it becomes at very least more usable than the Windows 95 UI."
Mac-Linux-BSD User,
You have no idea what you're talkin' about. Have you?

Dark Phoenix:

I suggest you dunk your head in a sink of cold water, because you're obviously dreaming on your feet. Gnome is NOT customizable at all; in fact, it's frequently criticized for NOT being customizable enough for the average user's needs. And uh, your last two sentences are so devoid of intelligence I won't even bother replying to them.

RLG:

I do see what you are saying, and I must agree. It is strange that there seems to be a dearth of KDE solutions available.

I personally don't use either (XFCE), but as they are the accepted leading Desktop Env's, why is there NO choice to have either Ubuntu OR Kubuntu?

I would have thought that was a no brainer as the Ubuntu Co. has BOTH available.

Karl H:

Hi Cevo, I don't normally develop app's for KDE because of Trolltech's licensing quirks with their QT class library, the foundation of the KDE desktop. QT is an excellent class library with a terrific Signals and Slots paradigm. It is offered as open source under Linux but as a MinGW-only compiler in Windows, with a very expensive commercial license for VisStud. The point of QT from a developer's perspective is to develop cross-platform (Lin/Win/Mac) with minimum hassle. Trolltech's licensing however makes this impossible. The problem with the KDE team is they didn't iron out the licensing issues with Trolltech before they started their project. So I code natively on Lin (GNOME), Win32 (Not MFC) in Win and Mac (Carbon/Cocoa). wxWidgets is useful here, there are many other open class libraries.

Hope this helps.
Karl

Rick B:

A step in the right direction but an HP laptop is really what I want.

Dell has a linux laptop, why not HP?

Frederick Nerk:

I'd have to agree with needing a lappy. I want to buy another one without Vista or XP, and just can't.

Maybe I should go to http://www.medisoncelebrity.com and order a cheap $150 one?

Good on HP, I don't want people to get into the whole "which distro is better" and "why Gnome, or KDE". That turns people off.

I hope the people who continue to use windows are appreciative of what Linux and the whole community is doing on their part. If Tier 1 makers are being hassled enough to include a Linux option, that makes it a little easier for windows users, in the sense that Microsoft can't absolutely dictate terms (power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely). That can only be good for the end consumer - both in terms of cost of the Operating system and in terms of features/stability etc.

Everyone wins.

Colohusa:

http://tinyurl.com/383h78

christopherborne:

the real test is whether any of these Linux PCs ever see the inside of a brick-and-mortar store. Because I know many people who still buy computers this way. I know I do.

Arun Thomas:

It is a good move by HP and will benefit both the Linux community and the consumers. Deploying Linux in computer systems will help them to lower the prices and it will eventually lead to mass adoption of Linux.

Aubrey_conversely:

Surely for anyone already using or familiar with Linux the important thing here is that both HP and Dell will be selling machines with 100% Linux compatible hardware?

I for one don't actually care whether they go RHEL, Ubuntu, Suse or whatever - it can be Arch and Openbox as far as I am concerned - so long as I can load my distro of choice and know the effing video card will work.

And the best thing of all is the added pressure on ATI, nVidia, DLink et al to bring their drivers up to speed - or better still - open source them.

54Sandgroper:

Absolutely agree.

The ability to buy a PC that I know is going to work with Linux is far more important than the distro that they pre-install.

My 3-4yo PC is showing it's age, but I wasn't looking forward to going through the rigmarole of trawling through zillions of forums to see what hassles people were having with various bits.

Arthur Marsh:

I looked up the HP Compaq dx2250 on the HP web site and found this page: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/au/en/sm/WF25a/1090261-1139371-1139371-1139371-12999422-12999474.html which had no mention of Linux but did state "HP recommends Windows Vista® Business."

So, how do I order an HP Compaq dx2250 with Linux without havining Windows Vista Business recommended to me?

a linux newbie:

As good as I have heard red hat is (I admit I have never used it), I think I will wait until the commercial release of ubuntu, having trialed version 7.04.

old_misery:

The price you paid for Ubuntu 7.04 is the same price you'll pay for future releases (unless Canonical renege on their promise never to charge for Ubuntu, or you were scammed), although you can buy paid support.

If you're a Linux newbie, I'd stick with Ubuntu. It's the most user friendly distribution available at the moment IMHO, plus the Ubuntu forums and IRC channels are absolutely stuffed full of tips and tricks and guides and helpful people.

Red Hat is more enterprisey.

Anonymous343221111:

Nit Picking. Isnt that a ubuntu/debian screenshot APC or HP are using on the Image of the PC??

Gmos:

The screenshot probably looks familiar to you because it uses the Gnome desktop environment (as many Linux distros do, including Ubuntu...). Most distros using the same desktop will look similar, but with some customisation and own artwork/themes. Gnome is easily recognised by the use of top and bottom panels, and the Applications, Places and System menus on the top panel.

On close inspection the red wallpaper has RHEL 5 logo, and the logo on the left of the top panel (next to 'Applications') is the Red Hat logo, not Ubuntu or Debian.

Pavel:

This is simply not true... Look at the HP-Oz site - no such thing at all. A month and a half after this article.

Leo:

The machines do exist, they are just really hard to find. There is nothing at all on the HP website about it but if you call an HP reseller they should be able to find it on their HP extranet. Tell them to look up GV661PC. Alernatively, just put that code into Google and you'll find some resellers that stock the unit.

magshopapc:

Concerning Linux Laptops.

I purchased an HP Laptop dv1000.

I didn't much care for the windows but there are some applications that I still need it for.

I tried to install RHEL 4 ES U3 but had problems.

Tried 5 and it almost worked.

I tried it again today with RHEL 4 ES U6 and it works.

I may try it again with CentOS once they get version 6.

One thing if anyone knows. For the Display setting on an HP dv1000 what driver should I use ?

Cheers

Mag