"Literally naked" DSL services loom

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Angus Kidman02 November 2007, 12:55 AM

The availability of naked DSL services will might well unleash a wave of anti-Telstra sentiment, as customers realise they can be freed of line rental forever.


iiNet plans to fully launch its naked DSL service by the end of November, while Internode has also begun trials ahead of a launch early next year. Does that it mean it's time to ditch your Telstra shares?

iiNet has launched a Web site, www.iinet.net.au/gonaked , for customers to register their interest in its long-rumoured 'naked DSL' product, which allow customers to ditch paying line rental for their voice connection in favour of a broadband-only offering.

Pricing for the service is due to be announced later this month, iiNet chief operating officer Mark White told APC.

Recent online rumours have suggested the entry-level package will be priced at around $45. However, White said that final details of the plans, which he described as "sensational", had only just been signed off by iiNet management.

Internode is also entering the naked fray, kicking off a trial of its proposed Internode Ultra service in Adelaide. The ISP hopes to roll out the product early next year. Pricing remains similarly secret, though trial participants will pay a $40 a month fee during the testing phase.

"We want this trial to prove that Naked DSL allows us to bypass Telstra’s artificial distance limitation, which is imposed on all 'line sharing' based ADSL2+ services," Internode CEO Simon Hackett said in a statement. "By providing greater reach for current ADSL2+ services, Naked DSL has the potential to fill in many metropolitan blackspots."

Even in non-blackspot areas, interest in such services is likely to be strong. "We're overwhelmed with the amount of enquiry we're getting already, and we haven't done anything to promote it," White said.

"We've had a number of customers on trial for the last couple of months and it's been going well," White said. "That's given us an opportunity to test out the provisioning process and work through some of the issues later." White wouldn't specify the exact extent of the trial, but said it had covered a number of states.

iiNet's package will include its iiTalk VOIP product, meaning customers can still retain their existing phone number. Arguably, that means that the service isn't completely naked; while it's optional to actually use the iiTalk service, you can't have it removed. Internode's package uses a similar approach.

White holds no truck with such semantic quibbling. "It is literally naked," he said. "We're using the data component of the copper going into your house. Up until now you've needed the voice line as well, from Telstra or somebody else.

"We've been looking at this for an awfully long time, and the technology is not new. If you go to Europe, everybody operates on this basis. It's been new in Australia because the regulatory regime has prohibited it until now."

White wouldn't be drawn on whether initial adoption would draw from iiNet's existing customer base or attract new users. "That's the $64,000 question and I don't know the answer."

The availability of naked services might well unleash a wave of anti-Telstra sentiment, as customers whose communication needs are largely met by email, mobiles and Skype take advantage of the chance to stop paying $25 or so a month for an unused voice line.

However, the shift isn't all bad news for Telstra; as it still controls the majority of Australia's copper infrastructure, most providers will still be paying it line rental fees for at least some customers.


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Anonymouseiy:

The link doesn't work. :-(

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston:

Oh thank goodness! This is one of the original promises of ADSL2 and finally it appears to be on its way. But I'll guess it'll be years before we all can go naked.

Stupid overpriced line rental...

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tonyz:

Hel$stra would do well to extend the 30MB/1MB cable to the rest of the country to help minimise the bleed.

Better still, for the sake of its shareholders it should split itself into two entities, but it's probably a bit late for that. No doubt they're expecting to get the FTTN story all to itself. Hopefully not.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tits:

It's a bit of a shame that iiNet will be counting uploads. I'm aware most people won't notice and we're not all big p2pers blah blah (I won't re-iterate the whirlpool thread)

But it's still bad news for a respectable ISP to sink to that level, no matter what the motivation is.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mr magoo:

It's a bit of a shame that iiNet will be counting uploads. I'm aware most people won't notice and we're not all big p2pers blah blah (I won't re-iterate the whirlpool thread)

But it's still bad news for a respectable ISP to sink to that level, no matter what the motivation is.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rewutiry:

It's a bit of a shame that iiNet will be counting uploads. I'm aware most people won't notice and we're not all big p2pers blah blah (I won't re-iterate the whirlpool thread)

But it's still bad news for a respectable ISP to sink to that level, no matter what the motivation is.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rewutiry:

It's a bit of a shame that iiNet will be counting uploads. I'm aware most people won't notice and we're not all big p2pers blah blah (I won't re-iterate the whirlpool thread)

But it's still bad news for a respectable ISP to sink to that level, no matter what the motivation is.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

Yes!! What a great idea. I would be happy to be rid of monthly line rentals when I can use Voip to call most people for a cheaper rate. Bring it on iinet! :)

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymouss:

Amnet (WA) have been offering ULL for the last 18 months. I don't know what the fuss is about.

Nothing has physically changed, except the billing...

"Testing", my arse! :P

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

meeee:

This would be great if the plans are competitive. I make and receive about 5 landline calls on my home phone line a month! So that makes each local call cost around $6....

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

wired076:

This sounds great. Does that mean that those of us that live in areas where there are only Telstra based wired networks could get access to other ISP's even i they don't use Telstra wholesale.

Will this allow ADSL 1 areas to be able to get access to faster and cheaper ADSL 2 + connections without experiencing any bottlenecks in speed or a reduced speed and can actually enjoy fast internet with large download limits so that we can do all we want without having to ring Telstra up when there is a problem waiting on the line for 30 minutes at least before a response and the treat everyone the same regardless of whether they are a loyal Telstra customer or not.

We are slowly migrating all our telecommunications from Telstra despite being a customer of theirs for more than 15 years.

I would love to get ADSL 2+ at my house, as my beach house as ADSL 2+ which is a joke because my home network connection is much slower than our beach house.

Hopefully this will spark more development into ADSL and enable more customers to get access to the network.

Will Telstra stop protecting their asses. "Can't install ADSL 2 +, sorry, no other providers are available in your area." They are saying this sort of thing as their excuse because they don't want to have to wholesale their ADSL 2 + network like they did with ADSL 1.

Why didn't the government have two telecommunications entities, one with the infrastructure and one with the services to stop this battle that is constantly going on between the gov. and Telstra.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon:

Everything I've read about VOIP says you need to keep your existing phone connected for emergency use (power outages, etc.) How does 'naked DSL' get around that?

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BRYGL:

I guess they assume most people have mobiles.

When Telstra screwed with my usage last month I was looking at changing to ADSL2+ with VoIP until it occurred to me that phone lines rental was also required, needless to say still on Bigpond Cable. I wish they'd bring 30Mbps to Perth, I'd consider changing to the faster account then.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

Naked ADSL doesn't really as far as I am aware. How often do you have a power black out that last for a considerable period? If the power goes out and it's an emergency then use your mobile

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dateman:

With these plans (Virgin have something similar) they are assuming you probably have a mobile phone which should still function after a power outage.

If you dont have a mobile as a 'backup' then they appear to have some risks.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply