LIVE WEBCAST: What is Telstra Next G?

Dan Warne05 October 2006, 5:37 AM

Telstra will tomorrow lift the wraps on its Next G network, with a live webcast of its briefings to media and investors. The new network is the centrepiece of Telstra's strategy of delivering broadband wirelessly.


Telstra is holding a day-long investor and media briefing in Sydney tomorrow and is expected to announce details of its "Next G" HSDPA/3G network.

The telco is webcasting the event live, so if you want to be first to hear the details, you can watch from 8.30am tomorrow.

Telstra notes that if you have a problem with that link, you should go here and choose 'Investor Day Briefing' from the presentation items.

What we know so far

Next G is Telstra's new 3G network, which will be operated separately to the current, shared Telstra/Hutchison 3 network.

Telstra won't be making the network available for wholesale use by competitors, because mobile networks do not fall under current competition regulation.

It will use a different frequency to all mobile networks in the world except for one in the USA (Cingular) and one in Canada (Rogers). The reason? It is recycling spectrum from the old CDMA network, which will eventually be shut down.

Although this will initially limit the choice of handsets that are compatible with Telstra's network, 850MHz does have the advantage that it has far better in-building penetration than the more prevalent higher frequencies used on most 3G networks.

Telstra has promised the new network will cover 98% of the Australian population and 1.6million square kilometres -- equivalent to its current CDMA network.

The Communication Minister, Senator Helen Coonan, has reassured concerns that Telstra would shut down CDMA before coverage was truly equivalent by promising the government will audit Telstra's coverage claims, with a focus on remote areas.

The government won't be auditing Telstra's speed and coverage of wireless broadband, though.

Foxtel-on-your-mobile will be used as a primary lure to differentiate Telstra's new mobile service from the competitors. But in Senate hearings, Telstra has admitted it doesn't have enough mobile spectrum to cover all its customers to use video streaming.

Wireless broadband through BigPond Next G

BigPond will offer residential broadband services over the mobile network (Telstra's "plan B" after it pulled the plug on its fibre-to-the-node network after losing patience with the competition regulator.)

Sol Trujillo, Telstra's CEO, has repeatedly touted the figure of "14.4Mbit/s" as the speed of the network. What he hasn't made clear is that this only a theoretical maximum speed of one radio cell. Telstra's network supplier, Ericsson, says the real-life throughput is more likely to be around 500Kbit/s per user.

BigPond, which currently sells EV-DO wireless broadband over the current CDMA network, which will be shut down, has promised to provide free replacement modems to customers so they can access the new Next G network.


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stephen hanson:

it's just after 12am and i've noticed that a few things have already changed on the bigpond menu on my phone foxtel has been added $12 per month
channels include
news and sport - Sky News Headlines , Sky News Business , CNN, Fox Sports News
Entertainment
Fox8 , The Comedy Channel , E! entertainment , Fashion Tv
Fun and Adventure
Discovery Mobile , Disney Channel ,MTV
and a channel called union - extreme sports.

webcast should be interesting

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog:

Ah yet again Telsra heads off down another overpriced cul-de-sac, while they seach for that one last holy-grail-monopoly they are sure still exists. 2 year contracts will be mandatory no doubt.

If it is to succeed online gaming could be their killer app. They have a head start when the Telstra MD holds a striking resemblence to one of the Mario Brothers. (Could it be?)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Christof:

HI, Iv heard a fair bit about this nextG rollout and from what I heard, the speeds are pretty much guaranteed. Other countries are working on it as Telstra is looking to upgrade and I understand they have called it nextG because the 4th & 5th generations are the higher speeds that are to come..
Foxetel will be just a bonus, but the high speeds are what im keen on..

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

Anyone that uses Telstra for thier Internet service is an idiot. Telstra is over priced and restrictive as well as being old hat

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

I'm sitting here right now watching foxtel on my NextG handset and let me tell you it rocks. I downloaded some bigpond music tracks and they took around 3sec. bye bye ADSL, I'm gonna go join the que for NextG wireless broadband.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Do you work for Telstra Robbo?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Christof:

I agree.. I just went into a telstra shop and they already have them on demonstration.. pretty unbelievable stuff id have to say. and cheap?? $12 subscription based per month for the 12 channels??? id say they are exclusive to Telstra aswell.. i wouldnt say they are overpriced either caus i noticed that capped plan for $49 still..
I was more keen to see the wireless cards, but they didnt have any up and going..

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Christof, I notice your post was made from within telstra corporate network. It is only fair to other readers to disclose that you work for telstra, especially the comment is endorsing a telstra service.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Yet another reason why a commercial company should not be building infrastructure which really belongs in the category of a national resource.

850MHz is great spectrum for this sort of application, but it shouldn't be locked in the hands of one company. Imagine if each mobile phone carrier had gone their own way on choosing bands and technologies - our mobile phone system would be terribly fractured.

If there's a true public need for 850MHz broadband (although I am far from convinced on that score) then it should be a network set up and maintained by a Govt body, along with ye olde copper and ADSL add-ons, and resold on a fair level to any carrier who wants a slice of it.

But let's not have Telstra launching an exclusive service and making all sorts of blue-sky promises about speed/capacity which are already being proven as undeliverable.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog:

Robbo, can you give the bird doing the investor roll-out presentation a quick call, because she doesn't seem to be able to get it to work!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David:

3G HSDPA is fine for light users and web access on the move, but it is no substitute high speed broadband link like ADSL2+. 3G just does not have the spectrum to cope with lots of people downloadng at the same time. The 14.4mbps is also a pipe dream. Real world speeds will be less than 1mbps. More Telstra hype. So why doesn't Telstra launch its ADSL2+ service - which they could have done over 12 months ago...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

will do - she said to me not to call her a 'bird'. also great news is that this is aust (not north korea or iran) so anyone with a few billion in spare cash - including diamond dave flynn - is welcome to build a competitor network. bring it on! look voda are already doing it and I hear that if you live in one of a few select pockets of sydney or melbourne the quality will be nearly as good as telstra (until march 07 at least when NextG really ramps up the bandwidth).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ray:

Telstra will not roll out ADSL2, as they would be forced to provide retail access to other isp's. They prefer to take their bat and go home. The shambles that is "broadband" in this country, which Telsra's latest overpriced and underperforming service will not fix, goes back to the conservative government's inability to separate the wholesale and retail arms of Telstra.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Robbo, have you been taking lessons from Phil Burgess? Because that's about the only way I could imagine anyone making such a lame attempt to play the 'freedom and democracy' card into this discussion.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Greg:

David Flynn wants everyone to believe he's an expert and here he is passing judgement without having even tried the new network.

Almost as bad as the Telstra fanboys.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

no - I am the one who giveth lessons. Just want to correct above error: 'It will use a different frequency to all mobile networks in the world except for one in the USA (Cingular) and one in Canada (Rogers). The reason? It is recycling spectrum from the old CDMA network, which will eventually be shut down.' NOT correct. yes NextG is the 3rd and largest 850MHz network in the world, great job by telstra to roll out this bleeding edge technology ahead of schedule and to the benefit of ALL (well 98%) Australians. 'recycling spectrum'? I have no idea what that means. 850 is preferred spectrum due to the superior coverage (breadth & depth) provided in comparison to competitor networks. not to mention the potential to scale bandwidth.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Errrrr, so what exactly was incorrect in what I said?

I said telstra uses 850 and that is different to every network in the world except two.

You said that was wrong and telstra was the third network in the world to use 850. So you agreed with me.

I said telstra was reusing spectrum it already had for cdma. I also pointed out the superior in building penetration, and once again you agreed.

So tell me again what I got wrong?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

G'day Dan, good to see so much activity on your blog. gotta run now I have a launch party to go 2. I disagree with the recycling spectrum bit and I disagree with the implied meaning that telstra is somehow out of touch with the rest of the world (there are around 10 850 networks in design/build at present that I know about) and btw I also disagree with your quoted 500kbs actual download. mine is singing at between 300kbs and 2.5Mbs averaging around 1.2Mbs. come on Dan stop plugging voda-optus and get on the winning team!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog:

Truth is it doesn't matter what spectrum space it's allocated on, it wont deliver.

Same old bigpond model, buy ours and you can see our trinkets, pay by the minute of course.

This is an investor briefing after all, so would you sink cash int an organisation that insists on a go it alone attitude with the same strategies that have failed them since day one.

Telstra is still in the box to be a progessive telco but they cant shake the go it alone lock the customers into us model.
If they want customers all they have to do, is do things better than their competitors.

So write the T2 shares of as one of life little jokes, and if your thinking of T3 based on what's been presented today, why not put your money on horse, its about the same odds.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Greg, I'm not criticising the network per se - apart from re-iterating the fact (not opinion, but fact) that it won't deliver the claimed 14.4Mbit/s speed, which is ~theoretical~ and unobtainable in the real world (as pointed out in this very article, Telstra’s network supplier Ericsson says will be closer to 500Kbit/s per user in real life).

My comments have nothing to do with a need to test the network. They're to do with the decision of a wanna-be private telco to create and be totally in charge of a new network, because I'm a firm believer in such infrastructure being managed by the govt and then made available via wholesale to carriers.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

(Is it just me, or do others feel that this story has been targetted by Telstra employees indulging in a spot of spin whilst posing as members of the public with no vested interest?)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Techo:

I drove through Canada last year using a mobile that I had bought in Hawaii two weeks before because my telstra phone would not work although I was told by the telco prior to leaving oz that it would . I had total coverage all through the snow capped rockies and on the plains of Alberta . Now if we had that here we would all be happy . What do we get ? A questionable service to provide teenage drivers with even more distractions ! Very community minded Sol .

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

diamond dave flynn - get back to watching your 'leave it to beaver' episodes and then go get yourself a short back'n'sides and mow your lawn with a handmower whilst smoking a pipe and wearing a cardigan. this is 2006 not 1956. corporations run our roads, public transport, health system, education system, energy supplies and shock-horror telecoms. stop you pathetic pseudo intellectual whining and just be greatful that one AUSTRALIAN telco has stood up and built a network for all AUSTRALIANS with any profit being returned to AUSTRALIAN shareholders and the AUSTRALIAN community. go whine to johnny h if you want the govt to put up cash for infrastructure, good luck cause it aint gonna happen.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

¿Qué?:

The notion of advertising a service as 14.4 Mbps when in practice it is likely to be more like 500Kbps is highly questionable. I'm not solely "knocking" Telstra. Any business that engages in this type of unethical behaviour ought to have an Inspector from the Dept of Fair Trading knocking on their door!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Gosh, Robbo, your stunningly well-argued case has demolished every one of my objections and turned me ~right~ around. Go Telstra! Go Australia! (Sorry, that should be AUSTRALIA)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Goldfish:

There is an article at Wikipedia and according to it, this system (HSDPA)is being used in many more countries than the 3 mentioned.

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Dan Warne:

Goldfish: HSDPA is the system, 850MHz is the frequency. Telstra is using a standard system at a non-standard frequency.

But like I said in the article it has both upsides and downsides -- it's certainly not simply a bad thing.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog:

Indeed robbo it is 2006 and even today Telstra does not run its DSLAMs faster than 1.5Mbit/s, cannot master single billing (not if it involves a static IP they cannot), and cannot win a marketplace battle on even terms.

Attacking David Flynn's point of view will do you no favours it just demonstrates, Telstra is incapapable of listening to industry analysts, or even their own subscribers. And this is why in a nutshell Telstra are dissapearing into it's own black hole. Sol can take his $8M/pa each year till it goes below the waves. Might even have enough to buy himself an umbrella.

On analysis Telstra thinking is more 1950's than any of the other opinions offered here. Yes Telstra is a corporation, but a dieing one unless it takes a huge reality check and becomes capable of offering market competitive product.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jazza:

This all sounds well and good but from my perspective as a member of the general public i think its all just hype and alot of BS i will believe how good it is when it arrives on thursday :D

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kris:

Dan, I noticed you pulled Christof up on being a Telstra employee. Do you vet posts for traffic from Optus/Vodafone/Hutch/insert-ISP-name-here and call them out on it? Or are you just focusing on everyone's favorite encumbent? And yes world, I use BigPond.

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Dan Warne:

Kris - I don't check the origin of people's comments routinely, only when someone's comment seems suspiciously positive. And yes, if Voda/Optus etc were caught doing it I'd be equally likely to point it out.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Milt Fodder:

Here is the plain and simple truth. If you dont like Telsta's prices DONT use them. A mArketing ploy for many years is to differetiate one self by price.
Ever used the 3 network in a building....ever asked Vodafone if ther 3g network will work beyond Melbourne Sydney. Has anyone asked Optus why they dont want top spend 4Billion on Infrastructure in Australia....HMM lets see ?????
By the way how do you people feel about foriegn ownership say From Singapore the UK etc confuses the issue a bit doesnt it.
The end of the day the Next G network is a step forward it will force other competitiors to spend $$$ on infrastucture in this country to compete

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Marc Lucke:

Milt Fodder, I disagree with the strength and way you posed your argument. Little Johnny has finally gotten the process of getting rid of Telstra as a public asset and so it will be shareholder controlled. That means that there is little to nothing Australian about it. You might as well go to Optus.

Telstra have always been overpriced where it could get away with it in my memory. It's a value/performance equation. They get away with it because they know that many mums and dads have invested in Telstra and still more people plus simply assume that Telstra is the best without knowing.

This all makes me want to chunder.

The nextG network? Love the TV commercial but I don't think anyone in ISP land is panicking...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stu:

Well, I'm exited...

living in a country area... which is only an hour from Adelaide... telstra has had no interest in making out exchange adsl enabled for the few people who live in the small town... drives me insane and they also don't have it in the town I work in (pop 450).

The map show we are (or will be... I don't know) covered by NextG... at the moment I'll take anything, I've been waiting at least 6 years at home.

As IT manager for a small community centre, we are still stuck with dial-up, which is shared between 3 computers and up to 3 laptops. All shared across out little wireless setup.

And I have our website to maintain, e-learning courses, not to mention everyone wants to access the big media stuff. YouTube, podcasts, video everywhere.... ok I'm ranting now, fine, people with ADSL won't need it, but can't I have some hope that NextG might be a solution for me?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robbo:

Stu has every right to be excited. This is exciting for all Australians. I'm excited and hey hey even Dan is excited based on his latest comments on NWAT. Well Danny Boy, as they say 'you aint seen nothing yet'.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

Robbo. Who do you think shelled out for the infrastructure in the first place, Telstra HaHaHAAHAHAH. The fact of the matter is that all of us paid for the infrastructure that Telstra uses to rip us off. By all means sell Telstra but leave the infrastructure with the people that brought it in the first place and lets see Telstra compete on a LEVEL playing field.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jack Cox:

Actually Rob, Stu appears to be 'exited'.

Not sure if he was referring to his brain, although from reading the comment I would have to assume that he was.

As Chuck D once said "Don't believe the hype".

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog:

Last bloke that got that excited died a pauper in a floral shirt with only a job lot of cleaning products to his name. This might explain how the pricing for NextG has been determined.

By what little actual information is found on the Next G video web site, it appears I could upgrade a humble 512K connection to a sightly slower Next G connection minus static ip for about $15 more per month. But if I was to consider using up to the 40G p/m allowed now the additional usage charges couldn't be met by perhaps selling a kidney.

Excited, nah, and going by the video and and its annoying blasts of of high decibal beatles tune, I think one has to be a landscape gardener to use/need Next G. I think that's the elaborate web video it was trying to say. who knows? But for sure it wasn't trying to provide much in the way of information.

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