Romania a global hotspot for eBay fraud

Dan Warne27 June 2007, 1:08 PM

eBay has held a press conference to talk about an endemic fraud problem it says it now has under control, but says 'we are constantly watching for the next Romania.'


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eBay has taken the extraordinary step of calling a press conference in Australia to discuss the problem posed by Romanian fraudsters.

eBay said it was shocked to discover that many Romanian police stations, prosecutors and magistrates had never used a computer. This lack of access to cyber crime fighting tools was allowing internet crime to go unchecked.

The company found law enforcement agencies had been trying to investigate online fraud at the same internet cafes being used by the fraudsters, "which was a huge concern to us", said Mat Henley, of the eBay global fraud investigation team.

Although eBay does not have a Romanian office, the problem was so large for eBay and other companies like Visa and Mastercard, that the company has since established a dedicated fraud team in Romania.

"We discovered that Romania had a huge technology gap between generations," said Henley.

"It was enormous: 25-30 year old criminals were some of the brightest people we’ve dealt with, but when you mix in the prosecutors, law enforcement and magistrates, some of them had never been on a computer - period," he said.

eBay was forced to purchase computers and internet access for Romanian law enforcement agencies and train them on prosecuting internet fraud. The company also supplied digital cameras so agencies could more easily collaborate on photos of the scammers.

Incredibly, eBay even involved the US Secret Service (which plays a dual role alongside protecting the President in investigating US treasury fraud). The USSS provided intelligence from agents in Romania who were able to help Romanian law enforcement unpick the criminal internet fraud networks.

The Romanian M.O.

According to Henley, the Romanian scammers' preferred mode of operation is to try to lure people off the eBay site to complete transactions outside of eBay's framework.

"They do a very specific attack, and they've gotten really good at it as we've tightened our platform: their number one goal is to pull users off eBay.

"If an auction goes through all the way, they will not touch that auction. They know that we have all the details of that auction. They want to pull them away from our security cameras.

"They're also kind of famous for the second-chance offer scams - those are 100% off the site. They look at people who bid on auctions but didn't win the item; they know that for example, eBay user Banana123 is interested in an item and willing to pay $140 for it."

"Then they'll start trying to blindly guess the person's email address - banana123@gmail.com, banana123@hotmail.com, for example. That's where we have to work with Romanian law enforcement - it's entirely off the eBay system. They're just using eBay to find and target users," Henley said.

eBay has since implemented a system whereby once bids for an item reach over $AU200, the bidders' names are concealed.

According to Henley, the Romanian scammers had concocted elaborate stories to convince their victims to send money via unrecoverable methods such as Western Union - even though Western Union asks every customer as a matter of policy whether the payment is for an eBay auction, and advises of the risk.

"Romanian fraudsters will ask for certain payment methods – generally they aren’t PayPal or credit card. Generally it’ll be Western Union. They tailor their scam to instruct people not to be honest with Western Union that the payment is for an eBay transaction - they'll claim Western Union will charge them an eBay surcharge of 10% more, so they just say they're sending money to their Romanian cousin," Henley said.

The auction house has recently removed the administration fees involved in making claims through the PayPal buyer protection program, meaning that shoppers are covered against fraud even for smaller purchases.

However, eBay also admitted it has simultaneously cancelled the eBay buyer protection program, meaning that shoppers are only protected against fraud if they pay through PayPal.

Scammers arrested

eBay's Henley said "hundreds" of internet fraudsters had been arrested since the company had put its operation into play with Romanian law enforcement.

Though he repeatedly refused to provide any firm numbers on the actual impact on internet fraud, eBay Australia Trust and Safety Director Alastair MacGibbon said that overall fraud on eBay was now less than the "one hundredth of one per cent" figure the company used to tout frequently.

The company now uses a large number of proactive measures to try to honeypot scammers, and is "constantly watching for the next Romania," according to Henley.

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Adrian11112:

I am romanian myself, but I must say I don't buy
anything off e-bay. I'll rather pay a bit more and
go to the shop.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

accidduzzu:

"eBay was forced to purchase computers and internet access for Romanian law enforcement agencies" - give me a break, this is bribe!

"eBay's Henley said "hundreds" of internet fraudsters had been arrested since the company had put its operation into play with Romanian law enforcement." - do you really believe that? "Hundreds"? Really? George is that you?

"The USSS provided intelligence from agents in Romania" - reeeeaaaaaly????? George, your mom is looking for you!

This so called "press conference" looks to me more like free publicity.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

no_muie:

Who is George?
The police probably never used computers when fighting crime, but undoubtably some Romanian police use them frequently when they scam on line.
Yes, some of the same people who are hired to defend the law there also abuse it.
Hundreds being arrested and hundreds let out of jail the next day to return to scamming.
Don't believe the rhetoric from Romanian officials about stopping the scammers.


29 February 2008, 8:44 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Claus_97:

I am a moldavian myself, I live in Moldova, Kishinau. Romania is our neighbour. We speak the same language and we have the same culture.
The only difference is that Moldova was a part of URSS till 1992. That why our (moldavian) mind has some changes. We (moldavian people) were a lot of time under russian influense.

On ebay I sell Romanian Music and Moldavian Music CDs like O-Zone, Akcent and others (http://stores.ebay.com/ClausShop). In every CD I sent I put a piece of my soul, I do my best to buyer be satisfied. And I am very happy when the next buyer leave positive feedback.

It is very a shame to me with those the Romanians which earn dishonest by deceiving trustful eBay users. They discredit the country and the nation as a whole.

I wish everyone to know that not all Romanians are such as they. On eBay are enough fair Romanian and Moldavian sellers which concern to the business with the responsibility.

Good luck !!!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

daumoie (New user):

taci din gura moldovean jegos.. ca din romania iti tragi vbanu si painea cea de toate zilele... gunoi ce esti. de ce nu vinzi matrioska ruseasca daca romanii nu sunt demni de voi moldovenii ? neam de prostituate si alcoolici!

08 September 2008, 8:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Siana:

Oh FFS! I turn on tv,there's a documentary on Romanian hookers,turn on radio there's crap about Romanian babies being sold illegally,Romania's done this and that but it's all bad shit in general. As a Romanian living overseas it makes me ashamed in a way of my own country although i consider myself quite patriotic.

However, what people don't understand is that life is really bad 4 most people living there,hence they resort 2 criminal 'activties'. If they had the same opportunities as people from countries like USA or Australia they would not have 2 do this kind of shit just 2 get by every day!

Even if you have a good job in Romania,u still don't get decent pay and it's impossible 2 have the same lifestyle and state of mind as those who live in more comfortable countries. So u might say 'Yeah but there's no excuse 4 crime' Well if u froze your ass in winter cos u couldn't afford to pay the electricity,if u became homeless because u couldn't pay rent (not 2 mention mortgage) if u contemplated selling 1 of your children just so u can feed the rest of your family they u'd do stupid shit 2!

So i've moved 2 a relatively better place(in terms of career prospects)but i still miss my country like crazy & it breaks my heart every time i speak with family on the phone but i guess this is the sacifice i've chosen 2 make in order 2 have a better life.

However,there's no place like home and what i'm trying 2 say is that Romania is in fact a beautiful countries and we are good people but sometimes circumstances make 1 do desperate things.Please try 2 see the good side in Romanian and don't just focuse on the negative. PS. My apologies 4 the language but i'm just so frustrated atm lol



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

alexandru:

everyone just post shitty things about romania, and this is making everyone thinking that we're a bunch of criminals and nothing more. that's how my bosses were thinking before coming here and see for themselves. now they don't think the same. it's true that we have some bad people, especially the gypsies... but not all of us are like this. I'm sorry that everyone has a bad opinion about Romania, we're not like this...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kate:

In Australia what the Romanians are doing is a criminal offence. The solution isn't to pile extra work on the Romanians. I understand why the cops in Romania are bent...who wants to fight for Western decadence? No. The Australian government must commit its OWN resources in a global fight against online crime, as the US and UK governments must do. All this messy "interpol" and whatnot isn't working. Global cooperation is required for a global problem. We are all human beings and thus must all be able to work together to solve problems for systems we invented- the Internet.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ontheffing (New user):

Da, la tare Romania este frumos, am visit multi an, salut din Olanda

I like Romania and their people, please do not always so negative about this beautiful country

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