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The Eee PC 900 with XP -- fiddy bux cheaper than the Linux version. WTF?

Windows-based EeePC cheaper than Linux one

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Angus Kidman07 May 2008, 5:32 PM

Is ASUS in bed with Microsoft? The new XP-based EeePC 900 will actually be cheaper than the Linux-based version.


Asus will sell the Windows XP model of its Eee PC 900 for a substantially cheaper price than its Linux counterpart, raising questions about the company's long term commitment to the Linux marketplace.

At a Sydney launch event for the much-anticipated Eee PC 900 model, local product manager Albert Liang revealed that the XP model would sell for $599 in Australia, while the Linux model would be $649. To cover the licence cost associated with Windows XP Home and Microsoft Works — which replace a custom version of the Xandros Linux distribution and OpenOffice — the XP model has just 12GB of storage, while the Linux version has 20GB.

The machines, which sport a wider 8.9 inch screen and weigh in at just under a kilogram, will go on sale in Australia at the end of May. Adding to the impression that Linux is now the poor cousin, the XP version will be sold through "selected retailers" while the Linux machine will be available through "computer resellers". (Translation: No more Linux machines in Myer.)

The original Eee PC, launched in Australia in November last year, has been a major success, selling one million units worldwide. "It has generated a tremendous amount of noise into the market," Liang said.

While the presence of Linux clearly hasn't been a barrier to consumers buying the notebook to date, Asus appears keener to promote the presence of XP on the new range than to expand the Linux market. "Microsoft has been a longstanding supporter of Asus," Liang said.

"People are asking for the familiar and compatible Windows interface that they've used in the past," said Keith Holtham, the account manager for Asus at Microsoft Australia. "The goal was to provide a platform that allows users to have access to their favourite applications."

Holtham made much of the presence of Windows Live applications on the box, including Communicator, Photo Gallery and OneCare Family Safety. He then totally undermined the credibility of the latter by noting that his teenage children seemed able to find anything they wanted online regardless of such filtering software being present.

APC played briefly with the machines on show at the launch. The XP version of the Eee boots quite speedily for a Windows box, but is still notably slower than its Linux counterpart. Even Asus' press release promoting the product acknowledges that the Linux machine is faster to get started. "It provides a fast boot-up time, ideal for quick internet access while waiting for public transport or taking notes on-the-go," it breathlessly proclaims.

Apparently, "the Linux version is suited to users who desire an icon-driven and easy point-and-click interface – well suited for children or users with limited computer experience". We'll leave the reader to deduce what that implies about the XP interface.

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Spoken4 (User):

Yes they are. ASUS and Microsoft are firmly married and are promoting a program to get schools to take up the EeePC. I went to a seminar a couple of weeks ago where I almost choked on my MSLatte when the Microsoft rep said "the EeePC is based around hardware standards and we at Microsoft like to think that we are a kind of standard"
MS is desperate to keep schools locked in to their products so students only know one OS and suite of apps.
(Not going to work at mine ;) )

07 May 2008, 7:27 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

"People are asking for the familiar and compatible Windows interface that they've used in the past"
So Vista and Office 2007 are mistakes then? Or are they just using a variation of the same old "training costs" line without looking on their own desks?

"Holtham made much of the presence of Windows Live applications on the box, including Communicator, Photo Gallery and OneCare Family Safety."
Well that'll encourage me to buy it... I've never heard of any of them. Plus I can only assume they're rubbish if they say "Windows Live" in front of their names.

07 May 2008, 7:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Cod (New user):

You guys are being ripped off. In the UK they are priced exactly the same(£329), with the Linux version having the larger SSD, thus offsetting the M$ tax. They are really good buy the way, virtually everyone in the office has bought the Linux version for the extra disk space.

Here: http://www.eee-900.co.uk/

08 May 2008, 1:38 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Sadly the distro they are using is on the list of distros that have paid the MS ransom... So MS do effectively get money from people buying the Linux version. Given the price cuts on XP to get it onto these type of device, they are probably getting almost as much from the Linux one as they get from the Windows one.
Lame.

08 May 2008, 10:19 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ballbuster (New user):

Why would his suprise anyone?
Firstly XP embedded is actually quite cheap in volume and also how many wood ducks that buy the EeePC would have any idea about linux considering those wood ducks would most likely be using windows at work/school.


08 May 2008, 6:22 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (Advanced member):

Thanks JohnChr

That's exactly how I read the ASUS site too - $150 MORE for exactly the same machine with Windows rather than Xandros.

That is actually the biggest differential I have seen for XP vs. Linux on any retail machine.

We are now left to decide who is spreading FUD here - APC or ASUS.



09 May 2008, 11:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Angus Kidman (APC staff):

Aubrey, I think your data is from Asusnotebook.com.au -- which, despite the name, is not the official ASUS site for Australia, but a separate reseller -- one who in this case seems to be charging a whole stack more than the RRP. They're entitled to do that, of course, but it doesn't change the facts that Asus Australia is recommending an RRP for Windows which is lower, and prioritising Windows for its mainstream retail channels.

19 May 2008, 2:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (Advanced member):

Ok, let's backup. Before this article becomes slashdotted and dugg to the point of being truth, this is from the ASUS Australian website - for actual pre-ordering the 900 series:

ASUS eee PC 900 Win XP Home Features:

PCMarket Pre-Installed Genuine Microsoft Windows XP Home Licence and CD are included
Intel Celeron M 900 Processor
1GB DDR2 667MHz Memory
20GB (4GB built-in +16GB flash) SSD
8.9" LCD 1024x600
1.3MP Web Camera
VGA Out
802.11b/g Wireless
10/100 Ethernet
$799.00 inc GST

ASUS eee PC 900 Linux Features:

Custom Linux based on Xandros Distribution
Intel Celeron M 900 Processor
1GB DDR2 667MHz Memory
20GB (4GB built-in +16GB flash) SSD
8.9" LCD 1024x600
1.3MP Web Camera
VGA Out
802.11b/g Wireless
10/100 Ethernet
$649.00 inc GST

The only machine listed at $599 is a sooped up 4G machine with XP, 1Gb of RAM and a TV tuner.

Maybe ASUS is, in fact, discounting their Windows machines by $200 - but that is 25% off their listed launch price. I can't find anything official on their web site about it.

Angus - is it you, Albert Liang or the ASUS website that is having us on?

09 May 2008, 4:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey (Advanced member):

prometheus2704 - thanks for pointing that out. It is very fine print!

I would have ordered from them but will await news on actual ASUS pricing. There's no way I will be buying an ASUS machine if they are playing MS silly games.

I really don't understand the logic of having Linux preinstalled at a higher price (HDD size notwithstanding). Predatory pricing is usually something you use against competitors - not other products in your own catalogue. That's why I remain suspicious of Angus's story and would really like to see an official ASUS response. The rest of the world seems to be getting some price differential in favour of Linux (or at least parity, which would be fine with me as XP is really worth nothing anyway). If ASUS Australia is really going a different way, for whatever reason, there are other UMPCs on the market - or coming very soon.

On a related topic, I wonder if the XP to ship with the 900 series will take SP3, given the problems that "non standard" hardware has been having with it.

10 May 2008, 5:44 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

feliduca (User):

Xandros has to be paid for, just like Linspire. Crossover is not free. But Xandros 4 is relief for ME/98 windows orphans.

Linux uses more drams than XP, and ext3(writeback) and many free applications need more storage space than DOS and limited number of Microsoft applications?

It takes ASUS more support than XP(end of life is next year); whereas Xandros needs upgrade almost immediately as Linux kernels go beyond v2.6.26.




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24 September 2008, 12:35 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Xandros retails for less than Windows OEM

Linux can be compiled or configured to use less RAM than Windows. Not sure what EXT3 has to do with anything, and what's the storage of DOS apps got to do with Windows?

ASUS are unlikely to be required to do any more support for Linux than Windows. Especially a Linux that is set up to be idiot proof. In fact, it's so damned idiot proof that it's likely Windows would require more support.

24 September 2008, 8:05 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MarkRay (New user):

I like how they're trying to justify it with the smaller hard disk (on the XP version) -- but this revelation has a very bad smell to it. One gets the impression that the folks at Redmond were quietly soiling themselves when the Xandros Eee came out -- and was a success. I expect things went into a different gear once this had sunk in -- and now they're reacting by pulling out all the stops -- domain registration nay, racketeering tactics -- to get this trend reversed. Nothing scares them more than OEM adoption of Linux.

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