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Dan Warne10 August 2007, 12:53 PM

An old friend asks you to bring their old Windows 98 PC back to life. Here's what you need to do. Look them squarely in the eyes, put a hand on their shoulder, and say, it's time to die.


COMMENT | A friend recently asked me to set up her old PC so that another member of the family could use it. "Righto," I thought... "probably won't run Vista, but it'll surely run XP."

When I saw the box, I knew that I would have no such good fortune. It was a 1998-vintage box, sans USB ports, ethernet, WiFi or any of those sorts of conveniences we take for granted. In fact, the only semi-modern convenience it had was a CD-ROM drive.

I could have suggested that my friend simply put the box out to pasture and buy a cheap Dell, but the fact was, she only wanted to do the most basic of tasks on it -- word processing, email and web browsing. Why should that justify a $700 expenditure?

I dutifully set about reformatting and setting it up, installing the most recent versions of Windows and Office that would run acceptably on the very old hardware -- Windows 98 and Office 2000 -- and then discovered that it's nearly impossible to get free or cheap anti-virus software that runs on Windows 98 any more. I did track down one eventually, after an hour of Googling, however.

But then we bought an HP printer (the only one in Officeworks that still had a parallel port), and discovered that Windows 98 drivers were no longer available. Turns out that when Microsoft discontinues support for a version of Windows, so does everybody else.

I could see that this computer was going to come back and haunt me time and time again, and I was musing over this conundrum at lunch with my friend (and contributor to APCMag.com) Danny Gorog. When he's not writing for APC or the Herald Sun, Danny's main business is a chain of stores that sells stuff on eBay on anyone's behalf. He makes his money by taking a cut of the sale, so he's intimately familiar with the cost of different sorts of goods in online auctions. His suggested course of action? Check out the prices of iMacs on eBay.

iMac on eBay: runs the latest Mac OS X 10.4, costs peanutsiMac on eBay: runs the latest Mac OS X 10.4, costs peanuts

Lo and behold, I discovered you can buy one of the original "fruity flavoured" all-in-one iMacs for about $50-$100 on eBay. These models are not speed demons in today's terms, but they're perfectly capable of running the latest version of Mac OS X, Microsoft Office and Firefox if you add a bit of extra RAM.

I ended up getting a Bondi Blue iMac for my friend's family member -- 400MHz G3, 10GB hard drive, 128MB RAM and a CD-ROM. I had a spare 512MB PC133 RAM DIMM lying around from an old computer, so I slotted that in and installed OS X 10.3 on it (it runs a little quicker than Tiger, because it doesn't have the Spotlight disk indexing or Dashboard widgets).

It runs smoothly and at an acceptable clip (this family member is not going to be using it for much more than word processing, email, browsing the web and downloading small batches of digital camera pictures). It's interesting to note that this computer I bought on eBay is of a close vintage as the PC I was trying to resurrect -- the iMac was a year 2000 model, while the PC was a 1998 model. It's interesting that you can run the latest Mac OS on a seven year-old Mac, but it's fairly impossible to run anything other than Windows 98 on a 1998 vintage PC.

More importantly, though, I know I'm not going to have to do weekend and late night tech support for the rest of the natural life of the Windows PC.

The simple fact is I'm sick of doing friends' and family tech support for problems that are really Microsoft's fault, not mine. It's not that I begrudge helping people, it's that I begrudge the fact that I wouldn't need to be helping them with most of the problems if they had a Mac.

Spyware, viruses, irritating alerts advising you to clean up desktop icons, dogs with wagging tails -- they're problems that just don't exist on a Mac. They might one day, but for now, they're just not an issue Mac users have to deal with.

So from now on, when anyone asks me to help them resurrect an old piece of rubbish computer that's past its used by date, I'm just going to buy them an iMac on eBay. $50 out of my pocket won't cause a ripple in my finances, but it will save me hours of tech support time in the future.

John C. Dvorak, who has made a career out of writing opinion pieces that deliberately provoke the ire of the Mac userbase, has now reached the same conclusion.

"As someone who does recommend gear to people, I have to think to myself, "Should I recommend something that will come back to haunt me, or recommend a Mac with its higher price but lower hassle factor?" The answer is simple. I hate the idea of having to do customer service for people who cannot keep their systems clean, and that's most people.

"I hate to say it, but the PC community talks a big game when it comes to security and protection. The reality is that they'll never really get a handle on the problem as long as the PC is the never-ending target of hackers. I'm certain the Mac will eventually be targeted, but when? It doesn't seem like it will be anytime soon."

For the first time ever, I couldn't agree more with Dvorak.


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berrd:

lol.. quick question.. wat would it be like tryin to work on a three gig imovie on an old mac like that?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Pretty impossible :->

Like I said though, this was a replacement computer for a Windows 98 one, for someone who just wanted basic word processing, email, web browsing and photo storage. 10GB and a 400MHz processor is ample for that.



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Blah:

how could you possibly critisize the ability of the old imac that still runs the near-latest OS for mac, and never crashes, as opposed to the pc which will probably be plagued with the blue screen of death for years to come. Whether it can run a 3 gig video file is of no consequence, because theres no chance you could do it on the PC even semi-successfully.

Trolls...

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JF Leduc:

I edited my first feature film (90min shot in miniDV) on a this very same machine in late 2000 using iMovie 2 in OS9!

You would need an external firewire HD, as my final cut weights about 25GB, but it's quite possible.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Eytan:

I am a BIG Mac fan, but you could have also just installed the latest of any Linux distro on that hardware and saved them from buying ANY new hardware, and given them all the functionality they were asking for and more...

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon:

Agreed, the original iMacs are great machines.

I've got a 350 MHz model, and it runs Tiger at a perfectly acceptable speed.

In fact, it's used for light Photoshop work. CS2 runs at a fine speed (unless you're doing any complex filters).


29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aaron:

Really, digital video editing on an iMac of that age isn't too bad if you:

1. Add more RAM -- the more the better
2. Get a bigger, faster hard drive
3. Get an iMac DV or later with Firewire ports (usually 500MHz+)

As long as you stick to the basics and use iMovie to edit your videos, it is actually quite usable.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Richard Moore:

I would love you to resurrect an old PC of mine, i.e. buy me an old iMac

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

LOL!!! Sorry, the offer is limited to close friends and family ;-)


29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

And there I was, Dan, thinking you'd whip together an old hack to convert one of us non believers.

As for recycling old clunkers, any thing pre P-III it's really not worth the bother, can be done but seriously not worth the hassle.
I'm a little over doing those favours that have the need to keep on giving.

Word of warning when doing these favours be they MAC or PC, the recipient must take them on the condition they do not come back, relatives no exception!!!

If I gave it to you as an old box 3 years ago why would I suddenly need it back now that your done with it. Same goes for old HP Deskjets, lasers that require a 2 person lift and that carton of zip disks.



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AnonymousCoward-InSoCal:

Several of my friends who make their living supporting PCs have converted their homes, families and friends to the Mac just to avoid dealing with the support issues at home. Give them iLife and WoW and they're good to go.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

debiant:

There are plenty of linux distros that would work just fine on an old PC.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Mmmm.. but do they come with drivers for the latest HP Multifunction printers?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Linux User:

HP actually sponsors the creation of Linux drivers - see HP's statement.
You can see the list of supported and unsupported devices here. Basically, everything is supported except for some really old Deskjets and Laserjets.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

old_misery:

Most of the big desktop distributions would, or would have drivers that are close enough.

It'd be pretty frustrating trying to run modern versions of OpenOffice or GNOME/KDE at a comfortable speed on a made-for-Win98 machine, though.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brendan:

You could simply install any lightweight distro and use XFCE, or IceWM. IceWM can even have a Vista theme, very very nice.

A good distro for old PCs is Puppy Linux, which runs extremely well on old hardware.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jarrod Spiga:

In addition to this, I have found that HP have a lot more drivers available for Linux than they do for Vista.

I have a Networked MFC at home that I can only print on with Vista - yet I can scan over the network and print using Linux. Likewise, I cannot even install the KVM over IP software on Vista, yet I can under Linux - which makes me glad that I set up my work laptop to dual-boot, because I'd be screwed if I had to remotely support something using Vista.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Currie:

I recently installed XP on a 500mhz k6-2 with 128 ram,12GB drive and 2mb pci video. As far as office type tasks are concerned it runs as smooth as silk. People who buy new computers solely for word processing are paying for performance they will never use.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MacDaddy:

As my business offer service and tech support for all popular platforms, including Windows, Linux, Mac, I have to point out that you still haven't realised what an 8 year old Mac can accomplish compared to a PC of that age. It's like comparing a cripple to an Olympic athlete.
Heck, I even installed in 2006, the Mac OS X Panther (ie. Windows XP) on a 1996 Wallstreet notebook. I was amazed to discover that Panther was running perfectly fine, it was able to modestly run all modern applications and also to take advantage of all the visual effects the OS featured! (ex. Expose, transparencies, etc.) Beat that on the PCs!...

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

debiant:

Lets not confuse the hardware with the Operating system.

further it is still possible to set windows 98 up with free anti virus (avast home)ie6 etc with little problems.

I'm not saying that the i-Mac was not a good solution, just that with some knowledge there probably wasn't the perceived problem in the first place...

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

No HP driver available for the printer we bought, though.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

suicidal_weasel:

Thats the final nail in this coffin, sub 100 and able to run the latest operating system? say no more. Ebay here i come, its mac learning time!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andy:

Sounds great, but how much does it cost to upgrade the OS to OS X 10.3 ?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Reghart:

While I might be most familiar with PCs, your solution is great for your family member.

I have a story similar to yours, except I went the whole way and did restore an old PC. I wanted to give my girlfriend a computer she could use to surf the net and do word processing on, so I got an old Gateway PC circa 1998 or 1999 with a PII in it, that I had gotten from a friend, thinking of making a firewall. I stuck 512MB of RAM in it, and an old 8 gig hard drive, and amazingly, I got it running XP SP2. It works fine, and now she has a wireless internet connection on one of those USB NICs. It's fast for the things she needs to do with it, like surf the web with firefox, and put songs on her MP3 player, so I guess old PCs aren't all counted out!

Thanks though, for sharing about those dirt cheap Macs, I might have to invest in one...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

m:

my dad bought 2 imacs 2nd hand and tried to network them but the previos user had blocked networking and they are being used to much to compleatly reset

is there a way to unlock networking so they can share files or external hard drives

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

takecover:

just got my trendy imac. Plugged my mp3 player in usb, power not supported?no!! locked up with my usb connected.
great little computer all in one.
but support in programs just isnt there like microsoft.
cost of os 10 more then cost of hardware!
back to microsoft win98se here i come. load dx9,in expolorer6 win media player all good.
mac another door stop now all pretty and colourful. :-))

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

What MP3 player was it? If it supported USB mass storage mode it should have worked, but if it used a proprietary communication protocol then it wouldn't have worked. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous111111111111:

try a powered usb hub and see if that works

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

m:

can anyone sugest a solution???????

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake dixon:

i have a old 1997 a open concorde computer at home. when i dug it out it had a bout 64 to 128 mb of sdram in it a 4mb intel 750 3d accel a 6gig hdd and a 2x cd-rw drive in it.
a few weeks later i have it running vista wita pretty fast. all i had to do is add 256 mb of ram a 80 gb hdd and a 4 yr old asus graphics card and im happy with it it runs ut2004 fine playes dvd-dls burns dvd-dls an i think i would rather use it then my 1 month old laptop.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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