10 reasons not to get Vista

Ashton Mills
21 January 2007, 11:52 AM


It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by all counts is an upgrade you can do without.


It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by all counts is an upgrade you can do without.

There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's no need to yet either.

2. Cost $$ -- It's so blindingly obvious, most people will be blinded to it. You already have XP, and alternatives like Linux are free. If you really want to throw money away, go give it to a local charity.

3. On that note, it's outrageously overpriced -- at least in Australia. As revealed in the current APC, even after taking into account the profit margin Microsoft Australia previously applied to XP (as well as exchange rates, as you would expect), Australians are paying hundreds of dollars more for their copies than in the US. In fact, it's cheaper for Australians to buy Vista direct by mail order from the States. If you think Microsoft Australia is reaming us, vote with your wallet.

4. Upgrading hardware -- XP was demanding at release, but Vista more so. If you have an older machine that struggles with XP at the best of times, Vista is out of your ballpark unless you spend even more money to upgrade. If this is you, see point 1.

5. Driver support -- Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment -- while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

6. Applications that don't work -- there's been plenty of coverage about applications that won't work without a vendor update. These include anti-virus, backup and security software such as those from Symantec, Sophos and ilk; CD and DVD burning tools like the suite from Nero need updated versions to work; and even basic disk management and partitioning tools such as Paragon's Hard Disk Manager are awaiting an update for Vista to be compatible. How many more will fail as Vista enters mainstream? Even Firefox has issues with Vista.

7. It's a big fat target -- with a new and untested in the global wild architecture, virus and malware authors are going to work overtime exploiting the holes Microsoft missed. In fact it's already happening. Loath though I am to use the word 'security' and 'Windows' in the same sentence, Windows XP has at least been patched to the hilt and can be used with a plethora of reasonably effective security tools that work now, without waiting for an update down the track.

8. UAC -- Oh yes, the Microsoft solution for an operating system where mutli-user was an afterthought. Sure, you can disable it, but the OS then makes it clear then that the onus is on the user for any damaging programs that got to run with permissions, rather than with Windows in the first place. If you do have it on, it is going to annoy the hell out of you. It pops up far too frequently, and even on a fast PC, the UAC screen takes too long to come up and disappear.

9. DRM -- And to a lesser degree TPM -- were made for the RIAAs and MPAAs of this world, and the even tighter integration of copy protection mechanisms and 'Windows Rights Management' into vista are nothing more than a liability to you, the user. This ComputerWorld piece says is succinctly: 'it's hard to sing the praises of technology designed to make life harder for its users.' As for TPM, this short animated video shows just how far the rabbit hole goes. And to think you pay for the privilege of having the use of media you purchased and own dictated by third parties, even on your own system.

10. The draconian license -- somehow, Microsoft has forgotten that it built its business from products that empowered its customers, not hampered them. Of course, we forget that Microsoft's customers aren't you and I, afterall (see point 9). Aside from the backward thinking that is licensing, and not actually owning, your software new terms with Vista include being able to transfer the license only once; half the limit compared to XP for Home Basic and Premium on how many machines can connect to yours for sharing, printing and accessing the Internet; limits on the number of devices that can use Vista's Media Center features; activation and validation governing your ability to upgrade hardware and use Windows itself; and outlawing the use of Home Basic and Premium with virtualisation software, and Ultimate only if DRM enabled content and applications aren't used. But then again, who reads these anyway?

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Baked:

I'm sure others have seen these sorts of reviews/stories before.....

I would have thought the same old arguments that were used back when XP came out wouldn't be used again......sure the actual details are different etc

But these are the exact same sorta things people posted about back when XP was just a baby.

Compatibility, Price, Resource Hungry, No Major Improvements etc

I bet Bill gets a laugh out of reading news articles like this one.....AS THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ROLL IN $$$$$$

Oh how many copies of XP have been sold now ??? How many users have converted over to XP ???

Vista is fresh, modern, 10 times more user friendly than XP or any other OS out there currently.

Microsoft have applied the KISS to vista and turned out a great OS in my opinion.


Sure we all know there will be issues for a little while but like XP they will be fixed and forgotten in no time.

GG MS

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

williamrobinsonb (New user):

i am a power user but if i wasn't then vista would be intolerable because i couldn't go around all the junk forced on me by corporate retards that think i need to be safe from my self. a common problem is that the very zip program that comes as default install isn't compatible with the core of vista itself this among holes in security that are virtually impossible to close and the sluggish nature of the os that makes even the most non memory intensive programs run slow.
vista is poison to the pc community giving many promises that they dont keep and benchmarks in run times that are really tricks and not true performance tests. tricks that very well could be and are dun byy power users in xp. so vista is a total no go for many because the hype is just that hype. also the fact that files are kept that are unnecessary to the function of the os that track everything you do and force fed it to national security doesn't make me want it more!!!!
i can and do delete hidden files in xp by porting deltree the old dos program back to xp to make xp run better but vista is a government spies dream. people are in the dark that the national security helped develop vista to spy on us and we have no choice but to take it up the ars and let our privacy be invaded and profiles build based on everything we do on our web enabled pc. so is vista a good thing ??? no its not!!! xp was bad for spying on you but omg vista is insane!!!
you can choose to bury your head in the sand or find out what i know is fact for yourself.. its no joke that secret agency's are gathering information on the good people just like you and information is power to control. power breeds abuse and corrupts and this power cant be trusted to any one that cant be held accountable to the people directly. i wonder why there isn't os competition any more? could it be that the powers that be don't want there spy software to have competition with an os that doesn't spy on us ? hmmmmmm?

30 January 2010, 6:32 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

I knew I didn't want to buy Vista. Now I'm not sure I'd even use it if I got it for free.

One thing that ticks me off about MS is how they break everything, call it a required change, then bang on about backwards compatibility. From what I can tell, Vista is about 10% compatible and 90% weird and unnescessary changes.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

You can actually insist on XP from Dell etc.

If more people did that, then maybe even Microsoft can't get rid of XP. Just like Intel can't get rid of the x86 even thought they tried with the Itanium. Same for IBM when they tried to shift to MCA instead of staying "IBM PC Compatible"

If enough people ignored Vista and stuck to Windows XP, even Microsoft would have to remain "Windows XP Compatible".

And then we can concentrate on genuine innovations and features rather than helping Microsoft extend their monopoly via the frog boiling method.

This is the number one reason to not use Vista.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mr. Safety:

The one problem with this reason is that MS has absoluetly no problem with burning off XP disks, and distributing them for $X. However, unfortunately with the release of Vista, they are getting rid of support for XP.

This means that if the amount of XP use remains the same, there will be no continued effort to patch up security flaws that undoubtedly still exist, and within a few years (or months), people will be forced to use Vista, as XP will be comparative to a block of swiss cheese. As it is, it IS swiss cheese - but most holes have yet to be found. They will be, and without support, they will remain open.

Other than that, I agree. I would strongly suggest avoiding Vista for now - let other people get exposed to security flaws, etc. first, and then (once MS is forced to lower the price, and fix it) upgrade when XP is too far gone. I personally was using ME until 2 years ago - though that really wasn't any better - it's all MS.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

W. ME. The Best:

My PC is capable of running Vista, but I never switched from ME to XP. I will never download XP anything on my system. I was told by IT Professionals that XP was a nightmare and to stick with ME home. Good operating system without the bugs, which takes up less memory. Windows Me is great for regular computing, but some problems exist with the games. Even though ME was created after Windows 2000, some companies, like Corel, quickly forget about ME. I like this operating system, but you eventually have no choice and are made to upgrade. I think I will hold out until they come out with a new operating system.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SekoraWild:

Windows ME? WOW! My friend, i don't know if you know, but Windows ME was in Top10 worst software applications EVER created (not just by Microsoft, ever!). WindowsXP is probably the most stable and secure OS you can get.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

koko:

Windows 2000 Professional

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Roffle:

Have you been living under a rock ? Here's a few operating systems that are both more stable and secure than Windows XP. Some are more well known to the general public than others. Mac OS X, UNIX, GNU/Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD. Of course there are more but you get the picture.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Caz:

The only reason they are safe is because people cant be arsed to hack those OS as most peeps are Windows. Thats why the are safe

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Elixxxx:

And because (talking about Linux) as same people can develop it or help developing, the same user can make it more secure; there have been viruses for Linux, (when it was even less used) but people have make it a better system every time.
I don't know how many people are developing private software, but we are millions working on many programs, systems, modules, etc. at the same time, which make it far more efficient.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MylarBalloonFan (New user):

Windows ME is better than vista. I got a ME Laptop for $92.92 I just need to get it to work online

16 January 2011, 3:38 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Big DJ:

Microsoft is actually planning to come out with another operating system called "Singularity OS". Singularity OS will be even MORE bogged down than Vista, which already takes about 3 gigs of ram just to boot up, and about 6 to run it after it's booted, along with about a 4.5ghz CPU. Apparently those of us using a Pentium 600 with 512 ram are going to be left in the dust. I Like XP, and I like my computer, so microsoft can keep their little operating systems that don't work. I Actually installed vista basic on here for a laugh one night, as I was reformatting anyways. As soon as it started up, all I saw was messages upon messages popping up "Cannot find driver for this, and that" It couldn't even find the driver for my keyboard and mouse, the most simple of hardware objects. Stick with XP, if microsoft stops updating it, I'm sure somebody else will take it upon themselves to build updates.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pyrrha:

I looked at ME....Once! & regretted it! It was a poor Windows 2000! 2000, was very good. & who are those “IT PROFESSIONALS”? That you trust so much, introduce me to them so I can slap them for saying Stick with ME! XP WAS a nightmare as is all of Microsoft’s “NEW” OS’s. This is a largely known fact. But XP is now one of the most stable systems. I guess you’re going to be the one person that purchases Singularity OS too huh? Sekorawild your quote...HILARIOUS! “Windows ME? WOW! My friend!” lol, so true!

Pax


29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ammomother:

Interesting point i am a vista user, it came free with my pc and to be fair i don't really care both windows xp and vista have incredibly irritating security and thats why i switch it off ive never got a virus never had my bank cards hacked never and out of curiosity ive rand anti virus checks and anti spyware and still couldn't find anything. so what do we learn... use 95/98/me 2000 vista, xp or even applemac but turn the security off them all its just useless and irritating

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Elixxxx:

It didn't came FREE, it came included in the price. If it were possible to get a computer without OS or with a FREE (like free beer) OS, it'd be cheaper.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Don't forget MS does not care, and they never listen to the user. XP will be obsoleted in 5 years weather anyone goes to Vista or not. Linux(I use this instead of Windows at home) and MAC are viable alternatives. Linux does take some knowledge of configuring, dependencies, and permissions, but the price is right. I only know what my friends that own MACs say about them, and they do not have anything goods to say about Windows. Maybe it's time to go to a MAC.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

samfish:

don't like MS but also not Linux. the most "fun" with Linux
is to install software. each version require many pre-installed software. it just like a installation tree never ends. After all "make", you still need pray for "make install" make no errors. One thousand commands with a stupid "man" help manual. Use interface is so unfriendly that no comercial usage at all..


29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mackenzie:

Say it with me now, "package manager." Package managers are these lovely things that you can either use from the command line or by marking a few little checkboxes and hitting "OK" and then they download and install whatever program you want and all of the dependencies automatically. Your argument died last century.

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

cig_r:

it would be cool those little checkboxes if the missing shit isn't your lan driver.
Windows xp is easier and more functional than linux. It's all about the "kill the bill" thing. If he is the devil or not I don't care, his OS is good and final point.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mackenzie:

Oh, I'm sorry. I must have missed the point where Windows included drivers for ethernet NICs. I must have completely imagined needing to use a second, already-configured, already-online computer to download drivers to a flash drive just to use a wired internet connection on a fresh installation of Windows. I must have imagined it daily for months working at computer repair shop where we were constantly reinstalling Windows.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

HoboBen:

"No commercial usage" eh?

Linux is big in the commercial world, more so than on the desktop. It's used in video editing, demanding scientific data processing, audio editing, cgi animation and rendering, and mainly as servers.

Google use Linux servers, as do most of the websites on the Internet.

Even if you don't believe Linux is right for the home desktop yet (though I'd argue that it is!), it's definitely the leader in the commercial world.

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (User):

Mac, a viable alternative???? Sorry, but I want control over my own computer. I'll leave Mac for the Mac power users, Apple fans and people who value "just works" above upgradability.

Now if I could just get Linux downloaded, figure out how to hack and install Ms Office 07, UBD city & regional, visual basic, and the full variety of games...

16 June 2010, 8:56 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Luke:

that is cool EVERYONE Revolt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

X should be a vowel do you say a or an XBOX

regards Luke

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lulz:

yeah, an xylophone, an xerox...

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mouton:

I certainly hope you're being sarcastic.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bsmooth:

I think window vista is a kinda cool new program but it do lack some glitches like the tool bar on the side of the besk top its has problem with it. it also had a problem with macafee program but the vista has the same features of xp so i think vista should of waited intill 2010.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

-Zawada-:

XBOX has an invisible E at infront of it. If you repeat the word then you notice you say exbox which is different when you say xerox.... most words have an e where needed..extremely for instance, but since Microsoft Wanted a 'cool' name they stuck with X.

By the way...most of these reasons are valid, but ive been using Vista for a year and have had no problems. I dont use my computer for more than simple functions and a few games, but the interface is just beautiful...

so dont diss it if you havent tried it

(The price is a big deal...I didnt part with my own cash for it so its all good)

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I am a hardcore gamer. That is 90% of my computer usage. I refuse to buy into Vista because of all the DRM/HDCP included. I didn't ask for it. Its being forced down my throat. Gates knows this. Hardcore gamers don't want Vista.

DirectX 10 is the answer. Start making games that only upgraders can play. This is like making a game which comes on DVD... DVD is now standard in all home computers. But games still come out on 7CDs instead of DVD just in case someone doesnt have a DVD drive yet. Unless my hand is forced in order to play the next best game.... I wouldn't install Vista if I was paid handsomely to.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kill-9:

halo2 for the PC will only play on vista. i would imagine the list of "vista exclusives" will get longer by the day.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anony:

Halo PC sucks anyway, Why do you think HALO2 PC won't be the same?.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agamer:

idiot. halo pc is NOT a bad game, but actually a lot of fun. especially the standalone ce version

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

anarchy:

This games sole purpose is to convert people to vista. MS have no plans to make a profit out of the game, otherwise they would make the game available to XP users.
The game has already been developed for Xbox, so this means MS have a 'reason' for people to use Vista. They claim Vista has the graphical capabilities to support this game, that is rubbish, the game was made a long time ago. Its just another way MS is exploiting the windows home user for profit. XP is no longer making enough money.... time for a new OS.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Because the last people who should whine about "cost" would be gamers. So you did not upgraded your computer for matching more hardware requiring new games, releasing every day? I mean com'on, if you are a hardcore gamer, you already have a computer that can work 5 vista at same time. You must have much better hardware to run Oblivion than Vista recommendations to play it smoothly.

I'm using P4 2.6, 7200 IDE harddisks, X800"AGP" video card, Windows Vista works much more smoother than my XP at this moment. My only luxury is my "2 Gb RAM" which are 333 Mhz (that can't be matched for many gamers)

Basically, Vista works smoother, better, safer.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dj:

What games are u running? i play supreme commander,cs source and the battlefield series. i have just upgraded to dual core and have 2gig ram. u recomend vista?

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

keLz:

I heard the new mortal kombat titles would be released on only vista compatible PCs. how true is that.
God knows i want to play MK on ma PC. Y did they even take it off in the first place?

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brian Trausch:

if you feel so unmatched and if windows vista is actually a better operating system, why didn't you at least give us your name?

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonomis:

Traucsh is right

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jo:

People xp had the same problems that vista has when it came out MS made it open to the public not for the profit or gamers but so they can stay ahead of mac and work out all the bugs before mac puts out their new os this is common sense.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I'm into gaming myself, can't wait until GTA 4 comes out on PC, hope it comes out on that platform, it normally does. I just love GTA. Played all of them starting from GTA 3 to San Andreas. Only PC version only. I just hope that most future games can still run on XP. HALO 3 is only Windows VISTA, hope most games now and for the next few years are still XP compatiable. Only thing is this directX10. You can only get it on VISTA!

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gamer man:

i am a VISTA gamer and am very pleased. through time i've heard ppl complain about this software a rave about that one, but bottom line is they ALL have good points as well as bad points... they all need patches, they all cost a little more, one has this and another has that, etc... would you grumblers rather go back to the days of atari and video arcades? geez, lighten up....

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Vomitron:

There is no reason why Vista only games should be Vista only, Halo 2 is supposedly Vista only, but there is already an XP patch floating around for it. The same goes for all other Vista only games. Halo 3 is on Xbox 360 not PC (yet), btw. The DX10 argument is BS as their is nothing revolutionary in DX10 that would cause it to be Vista only.

B, b, but new shaders and realism,

Yeah those can run XP just the same (basic hardware requirements notwithstanding)

29 February 2008, 8:44 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Unless you want the old games like cs or ut2003, you should go for Vista. Hardcore gaming, as I see it, is more for sport than actual injoying the game and it´s elements. Actual playing means you want all you can get of everything. Say, I´m willing to upgrade my rig with new hardware, vista (in time) and so forth not only to get the best performance, but for future use and stability.
For the average user, vista may not be needed. But for those who love games and see themself injoying these for future times, you can´t miss the vista upgrade. This is of course for the DX10 upgrade. When playing future games, you really want the best graphic. As for those vista problems you listed above, I laugh about it. Analysis of the text more than show how distasteful the author were at the time of the writing. problems should always, if they are based on facts, be listed neutral. "You can´t scare me Paul"

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mickey101C:

New games will support DX 10 yes, but they will also support DX 9.
Game creators will not cut their purse strings and only make DX 10 games from now on.
Only Halo 2 is Vista Only and Microsoft will learn that they will lose revenue because of this. Any way Halo was boring, running down corridors and reaching spawn points with excessive amounts of enemies; Halo 2 will be the same.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Church:

I hate Microsoft yes. But I will defend Halo because it was created by Bungie and distributed by MS. Also Halo has a great story, great gameplay, better graphics (Halo 2) than most other games and some next gen ones. And the fact that it is on the PC with a Keyboard and Mouse makes it easier to play. I will hope to God that one day you will realize that you have made a mistake by criticizing one of the game series that has defined this past generation of gaming.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Iceman:

Oh!!!I agree with you..I hate MS but Halo is undeniable The supreme game. It is such that the US army use it.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

john:

Went down the local puter store and had a look. Home basic ... which is the version my puter can run [1.8gig, 2gigs ram, 256 vid card] ... according to M$'s vi$ta checking tool, is nearly $400.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find this price outlandish for an o/s version that is only supposed to deal with basic computer work. Even the upgrade is $200 for home basic. I think I shall be spending my puter dollars elsewhere from now on.

29 February 2008, 8:36 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Justin:

The price is nowhere near that now, it's $199 for the full version and the upgrade is $99, with additional licenses available for $50 each, up to three.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mickey101C:

Go online and purchase the OEM versions of Vista.
Home Premium is about $120.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mathew:

FIRST OF ALL GO TO EBAY I PICKED UP HOME BASIC FOR MY PC DIDNT WORRY IF IT COULD RUN IT OR NOT AND WHACKED IT ON DUDE IAM RUNNING 2.8GHZ SOCK 478 250 GIG SATA HARD DRIVE 1 GIG RAM RUNS OK THO 3X 1 GIG STICKS OF RAM SHE WILL WHOOP THE AS OF XP ANY DAY APART FROM ITS DUMMIES SPITS EVERY NOW AND THEN AND XP STILL HAS EM TOO AND MOST OTHER OS SYSTEMS SO SHOP AROUND MATE ULL FIND THE RIGHT PRICE LIKE ME CHEERS MATHEW

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