15 reasons Macs are still better than Windows PCs

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Dan Warne14 November 2008, 10:19 PM

With Windows 7 coming up, it's time to yet again ponder on whether Microsoft has the upper hand in operating systems. Here's 15 reasons it doesn't.



A journalist colleague of mine recently put this question out there:

"I'm sure I'll either get ignored or flamed for this but what's with all the pro-Mac stuff at the moment? It seems as though everyone […] is either using or recommending Macs these days.

I'm not wanting to start a flame war here but I'm genuinely interested in why this general shift has occurred.

Do people think Vista is truly that awful that they can't use it or even recommend a normal Windows desktop/notebook? I use it every day and I admit I don't like it much either but I don't think it's that bad that I'd jump to using or recommending a Mac instead..."

I long ago stopped actively seeking out Mac vs PC discussions (partly because Macs are now PCs -- so the argument is more about Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux than a proprietary Mac architecture vs an x86 PC architecture), but I still find it confounding that after all these years, people still don't know the basics of the upsides of Macs and OS X. Perhaps it's because of the tiresome arguments from people like this.

So here's my answer. Note, despite what I said above about the argument really being between operating systems these days, I've looked at Macs as a hardware and software combination in this article, pitted against regular PCs running Windows.

Do you agree/disagree with the points here? Tell me why -- but make sure your points are solidly argued, and make sure you read the whole article before flaming me. There's an important bit right at the very bottom.

1. Reliable sleep mode

The killer feature of every Mac which can't be underestimated (and you don't realise how important it is until you own a Mac) is OS X's 100% reliable, near-instant suspend and resume.

Windows PCs have just never had this. Reliability on Windows is hit and miss, and it's nowhere near instant. As a result most people are in the habit of shutting down their PC totally -- or worse, leaving them on 24/7, chewing up power.

The difference between Mac and Windows in this respect is the difference between broadband and dialup internet. Back in the 90s, many people couldn't see the point of paying extra for an always-on internet service, as "it only takes a minute to connect using the dialup…"

I always shake my head in bemusement when I read about Microsoft working on dramatically shortening boot time on Windows. Boot time shouldn't be such a pivotal issue if suspend and resume worked well. Mac users probably reboot their Mac on average about once a month -- and often only to install an OS update. Which leads to my second point.

2. Extremely fast boot times

Rebooting a Windows PC can be such a painful experience that you really procrastinate doing it. Unless you're running on the highest spec hardware, Vista can take minutes to start up.

Mac OS X starts up from a cold boot in about 25 seconds on a current-gen MacBook Pro. As another journalist contributing to the discussion observed, this is not a faked boot speed, where the operating system maker has rushed to get the login window on screen, but delayed loading the rest of the OS. It's a genuine boot-to-usable-desktop time.

3. Apple uses good quality parts.

Aside from the operating system, Mac hardware is usually good quality. Apple's fit and finish doesn't generally bend and creak like the plastic panels on many PC laptops; Apple's keyboards are high quality; Apple selects good quality parts like very good LCD panels for its screens.

You can essentially buy a Mac product sight-unseen and know you'll be happy with the quality of the display, whereas PC laptops are a huge grab bag ranging from horrendous, dim rubbish to spectacular. (I have to admit I personally don't think the basic MacBook screen is of a quality that I would want to buy, but then, I think it's still better than a lot of PC notebook screens.)

4. Less blinking lights.


Apple doesn't festoon its hardware with blinking lights and inconveniently placed wireless on/off buttons, headphone jacks, etc.

PC manufacturers are starting to understand this and are producing increasingly clean designs (The HP 2133, pictured right, is quite a good example), but it's still my #1 bugbear about PC notebooks.

When I'm using my laptop in a dark room at night I don't want five bright purple and orange status lights blinking away at me. And when I'm using the laptop propped up on my legs on the sofa I don't want to be constantly accidentally turning off the WiFi. I don't want the headphone jack mounted on the front of the notebook, because when I plug the headphones in, the jack will be bumping in to my body if I've got the notebook propped up on my knees, lying on the sofa.

This lack of basic design refinement can make PC notebooks annoying to use for the entire lifespan of the unit (and it's not always something you can 'see in the shop before you buy' -- consider how many PCs are corporate-issued, or bought mail-order these days.)

5. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows

Ignoring Linux for a second, on a Mac I can legitimately run OS X and Windows (natively, or under virtualisation). On a PC I can only legitimately run Windows.

It means I can use OS X for everything, but if there's the occasional application for Windows I need to use (specialised company application; MS Access; mobile phone firmware upgrader utilities) I can easily do use Windows.

Another of my colleagues said she's found a good use for OS X's Spaces virtual desktop feature -- OS X on one desktop and Windows on another desktop. Of course, you can always pause a virtual machine, too, which means having Windows on-call when you need it doesn't need to be chewing up CPU time in the background.


6. Easier to troubleshoot Macs.

It's usually pretty easy to figure out what's going wrong with a Mac. There are three applications that help you and are all in one place and easy to find in the Applications/Utilities folder:


  • Activity Monitor (a more powerful version of Windows Task Manager)

  • Console (which shows all system logs in one place)

  • Disk Utility (which helps you identify disk integrity issues).

It's very rare that you can't get a decent hint of where a system problem lies from those three apps. On Windows, similar apps are available in the system, but they're more scattered and immeasurably more difficult for the average user to find.

7. A culture of good quality community software

There's a culture of very good quality freeware/shareware with excellent user interfaces on Mac -- probably a result of Apple leading by example in user-interface design and shareware authors emulating this.

The average Mac user could get away with only purchasing Microsoft Office and using freeware/shareware and Apple provided software for everything else.

On Windows, the signal to noise ratio in freeware/shareware is extremely high. There's so much junk software out there; it can be hard to find a tool that's good quality.

Some examples of exceptionally good shareware which I don't think there's an equivalently good Windows alternative for (taking into account both the software capabilities -and- the front-end GUI):

8. More useful apps out of the box

Every Mac comes with some very useful apps that don't come on Windows. (Of course, you can easily download them for Windows, but ubiquity of app distribution can make or break a platform -- it's why people have never really equated Symbian Series 60 phones with "useful applications".) Useful apps on every Mac:

  • Stickies

  • iPhoto
  • Expose

  • iCal

  • Time Machine.

Yes, this is no barrier to a Windows power user. But remember, the majority of computer users are not power users.

9. Neat and contained system settings.

Apple is very neat with its OS config settings. In Windows, there's many, many places you can change system-wide settings -- the registry, add/remove programs, the hardware manager, the services manager, network connections, control panel, etc.

On a Mac, the OS config settings are basically all in the control panel (with a few exceptions -- notably, the default browser can only be changed through Apple's own Safari browser -- evil.)


It makes both using a Mac and supporting other people using Macs much easier. One specific example: it is overcomplicated to guide a user to editing the TCP/IP settings for a particular network adaptor on Windows, but it's one of the most common things you have to do to resolve network issues. 

But accessing network adaptors is a cinch on Mac OS X...

And TCP/IP settings are easily accessible under "advanced".


10. Apple doesn't load the system up with crap.

Oh sure, Apple festoons its OS with hooks into online services designed to get you to spend money. But on the whole, Apple's festooning with vendor-specific services is much less intrusive than on Windows. -image-

Just about every (brand name) PC sold comes loaded up with junk that keeps popping up at you reminding you your six month trial is about to run out, and some apps are deliberately difficult to uninstall.


Macs come with iPhoto (linked to with Apple's book/photo printing service), MobileMe (stays out of your way unless you specifically activate it), iTunes (to purchase stuff through the iTunes store) and so on. Basically, Apple doesn't try to force its way into your wallet like PCs tend to -- Apple takes a carrot approach with some genuinely useful services rather than a stick ("your PC is our advertising billboard, cough up buddy").

Of course, this isn't a problem with Windows itself per se, but it is inextricably married to the Windows user experience for most people.

11. Tonnes of small reasons make Mac OS X better.

There are a large number of very small reasons a Mac is great to work on:

  • every version of OS X has sophisticated screenshot capability built in. CMD+4 provides a selector marquee. CMD+4+Spacebar takes just one window. CMD+3 takes the whole screen. You can set the format of the screenshot file and where Mac OS saves it.
  • The inbuilt image viewing app is powerful -- it can view PDF and open/export to most other image formats; you can crop, resize, rotate, adjust colour balance, etc.
  • Expose lets you quickly see all your open windows, or your desktop, or just the windows of your current app. Way better than ALT+Tab (which Macs also have) or Flip 3D (which Macs thankfully don't have.)
  • The Dock is much more efficient to use than the Windows start menu and taskbar -- the icon opens an app or returns to it if it's already open. It doesn't become crowded when you have lots of windows open.
  • Target disk mode allows you to boot a Mac into a mode where the whole machine acts like an external hard drive. Plug it to another Mac using Firewire and you have the easiest way in the world to do a system-to-system drive mirror. (Though, disappointingly, Apple didn't include this feature in its latest MacBook.)
  • Quick look lets you view pretty much all major file formats by clicking on the file and pressing the space bar -- no need to wait for an app to launch. Windows simply doesn’t have this.

12. Still no need for additional security software.

On a Mac, you don't have to run additional security software, which therefore doesn't slow down the computer, doesn't cause problems, and you don't have to shell out for an annual subscription for it.

This is an enormously contentious point. Some people will argue black and blue that you need to be a good citizen in the world and make sure you're scanning for Windows viruses on your Mac email in case you accidentally forward on a virus sent from one Windows user, to you, to another Windows user.

My opinion is: if Fords have a problem with their wheels falling off that's never going to be resolved, I'm not going to drive my Holden slowly on every road just because a Ford might find its wheels falling off at any time.

And what's with Microsoft selling OneCare anti-virus? It has decided to make money off selling a fix to a problem in its original product (Windows). That's just offensive.

13. Apple seems largely to be lameness free

On the whole Apple seems to come up with far fewer lame ideas that were non-starters to begin with. Microsoft, on the other hand, is the master of lame ideas. For example, Sideshow in Vista. Windows Ultimate Extras. 10 editions of the same OS. XPS file format to compete with PDF. One size fits all UAC -- "You just tried to change the date. Did you really mean to do that?"

14. Power of the Linux command line with Photoshop CS4

Just for a moment, let me diverge from Mac vs PC and take a look at Mac vs "all the alternatives".

There are a few key apps that are, for many people, 'must-haves'. Microsoft Office. Adobe Reader. Adobe Flash. Photoshop.

Linux can satisfy almost all of those needs. But Photoshop is a sticking point. Although there has been great progress in WINE -- even sponsored by Google --, you can still only run Photoshop CS2 (or CS3 if you're lucky.)

And don't tell me the GIMP is a total Photoshop replacement. I've tried it many times. Its user interface just isn't up to scratch yet.

The reality is, until Adobe really puts its support officially behind Linux (like Google has with Picasa, for example) it's always going to be an uphill battle.

With OS X, you get a polished OS, with the power of a UNIX/Linux command line (not the lame DOS-style prompt of Windows) and the ability to run the latest, officially supported version of Photoshop.

15. File sharing is much easier

Sharing files between computers has always been something that feels like it should be a lot easier than it is. Of course, one of the reasons for this is the need for security, which is opposed to ease of use, because security is about putting up barriers.

But it's also about user interface design. Mac OS hasn't always been easy for sharing between computers; in fact I'd say it's only 10.5 which has got it mostly right. But in 10.5 it actually is easy enough for ordinary users to use -- if you want to share the files on your computer, you switch on file sharing in control panel.

Shared computers on the local network appear in any file management window in OS X like a disk drive -- and when you try to open them, you'll be prompted for a system username and password.

It's the first form of computer file sharing that really puts it in front of the average user's eyes without them having to do anything to get to it.

Whoah, hold up there, anonymous flamer.

Before anyone tries to put words into my mouth: here's what I'm not saying:

  • I'm not saying a Mac is a remotely good choice if you're a career gamer, though there are enough games and adequate performance to satisfy a casual gamer (someone who likes to play a game once a week, isn't involved in the gaming scene and wouldn't know what LOLZ actually meant.)
  • I'm not saying Macs 'just work' and never have problems, because like any computer, they do.
  • I'm not saying hardware compatibility is the same with Macs. There are endless hardware devices that don't have Mac drivers. It's just that there's enough good ones in every category that do have Mac support for it not to be a problem.
  • I'm not saying Macs are for people who like building systems from scratch, or having maximum opportunity to chop and change parts at will.
  • I'm also not saying Apple is a nice company to deal with -- it's not. Its whole corporate ethos seems to be "be smug and arrogant; turn your back and pretend everything's fine, oh and also, polished plastic never gets scratched" as often as possible. (Though frankly, the superior hardware and software goes some of the way in actually allowing them to get away with this, and mostly, the front-end customer service is very good.)
  • I'm not saying that Apple is always good at admitting faults. While it is generally good with warranty if it admits a problem, if it is in denial about a problem, it will sometimes make people wait a year before they will begrudgingly accept the cost of fixing it across the board.
  • And finally, I'm not saying Apple's DRM (which it refuses to share with anyone else) is anything other than a repellant policy, from a company that has a monopoly position.

On balance, though, Macs just let you get stuff done, whereas Windows computers constantly find ways of annoying you.

That's my take on it. What's yours?

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Obi-Wan Kenobi (New user):

Is it just me or did the last three happen to be "filler" reasons?

14 November 2008, 10:21 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Dan, my PC never asked me what's G20.... and The Mac, throws personal insults to the PC (Obama is very different to Justin Long... who is just a dousche). That's just.... nevermind.

15 November 2008, 1:10 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

Dan, I know you as a journalist have to cover a lot of information, Apple is a very arrogant company.
This company could have been on par with IBM if none of the stupid idiosyncrasies on how to limit the hardware and software for a certain line of product made by Apple only.
It could have benefited everyone, not just a few, in the way computers are made today, you should know well, IBM PCs are easy to upgrade and maintain Apple does not have such commodity, for another part is very expensive.
Apple also is losing a good opportunity to snatch the disgruntled Windows Vista users and let them buy OS X for the IBM PC.
If the trend could be established, I could buy the Mac OS and install on my machine.

14 November 2008, 11:54 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

You can't be serious. You want Apple to sell you a cheap version of their market-leading software for your cheap custom hardware? They would then have to spend millions of dollars making it compatible and writing thousands drivers for it, making it as bloated, crash-prone and incompatible as Windows. Then on top of that they'd loose millions from the sales of their premium-priced hardware.

Apple is a business and if they followed your advice, we wouldn't have an OS X to save us from Windows hell for very long. Exclusivity is the main benefit of OS X and to change this would cause it to exist no longer.

Though I do agree with you that Apple should allow for more significant upgrades, this has never been part of an Apple business philosophy and it probably never will.

This was also the reason for the downfall of IBM. IBM used to be a great, powerful brand, but since they started running with the crowd and entered an almost perfectly competitive environment, everything became about cost-cutting instead of building a brand or value for the customer (something sorely missed in I.T.) Apple still stands strong after all these years with miles of attainable ground, while IBM has little chance of gaining any market-share over its countless other hardware competitors.

15 November 2008, 12:14 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

Rubbish, i CAN get os-x to run on my windows pc,

15 November 2008, 12:53 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

iroarloud (New user):

One problem, the V word!!!!

15 November 2008, 3:06 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

k2 (New user):

I would have to agree with jake, even though i love everything about macs, the price of the sleek imac makes me cringe. the only reason i like mac is because of the operating system. to avoid this barrier, i successfully hacked my PC and made it run OS X leopard. And my OS X PC is 1.25 times stronger than my friends imac and cost $300 less than it:

HP pavillion:
680 GB of memory (added 220 GB)
2.3 GHz (this was a toughie, had to hire a techie to get things right)
4 GB RAM
Really cheap graphics card that works,
It runs exactly like the mac, with a few issues. Though the legality of this is questionable, I don't want to pay apple money for the finish.


06 October 2009, 3:48 AM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bkostoro20 (New user):

now, all you have to do is buy all the security software, virus protection, email software, photoeditting, video editting, DVD creator, and many of the other things that you would get with a mac out of the box. If you add up all the crap money you put into a PC, including headaches and repair bills, you'd be more wise to spend it on a mac. Also, Macs and PCs are like cars, they both can get you where you need to go, but do you want to drive a hyundai or a Jag?

08 February 2010, 4:11 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting bkostoro20:
now, all you have to do is buy all the security software


or download it for free
Quoting bkostoro20:
virus protection


that is security software
Quoting bkostoro20:
email software


or use webmail
Quoting bkostoro20:
photoeditting


again, for free
Quoting bkostoro20:
video editting


usually bundled with new computers, if not, can be downloaded for free
Quoting bkostoro20:
DVD creator


built into the OS
Quoting bkostoro20:
and many of the other things that you would get with a mac out of the box


including?
Quoting bkostoro20:
If you add up all the crap money you put into a PC, including headaches and repair bills, you'd be more wise to spend it on a mac


and get a new Mac ever 5 years rather than a new battery? Quoting bkostoro20:
Also, Macs and PCs are like cars, they both can get you where you need to go, but do you want to drive a hyundai or a Jag?


Which is which? And besides, there will always be people who prefer one type of car to the other anyway.

And K2's computer runs Mac OS X anyway, just on a more flexible (and cheaper) hardware platform.

08 February 2010, 7:12 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

k2 (New user):

Yea, um my computer running OS X kinda crashed :S and i had to get it fixed. when i got it back i just installed openSUSE linux, and my imac is in the mail

01 May 2010, 11:40 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

A Mac user (New user):

Quoting jake:
Rubbish, i CAN get os-x to run on my windows pc
Well, don't. It's illegal. The problem was whether or not you can run OS X on any and every computer.


09 February 2010, 5:36 PM (5 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Quoting McBanjo:
You can't be serious. You want Apple to sell you a cheap version of their market-leading software for your cheap custom hardware?
Market leading??,You can't be serious.Anyway i will give you a list of my "cheap"hardware,and you tell me if its "worthy of your beloved OSX"
CPU - E8600 at 4.21Ghz (on water).Best cpu EVER made by ANYONE.
HDD - 3 SCSIs at 15000rpm (And matched with a $2799 scsi contoller card),NO other hard drive even comes close.
MEM - 16Gb Hyperlink pro,fastest ram on the planet(So hard to get that a lot of "so called"experts have never heard of it).
VID - 3 9800GTX+(tri sli) also on water,stock gap till the next gen comes out.
PSU - 2 1100W Coolermaster Ultimates.
MON - 4 32 inch lcds
OS - Vista 64bit ultimate

System Cost - About the same as a good second hand car
Would you call this a quality system??. I certinly do
So WHOs is the cheap system? I know.




15 November 2008, 10:22 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Obi-Wan Kenobi (New user):

There's no call to show off your fancy specs.

15 November 2008, 11:02 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Lol,when u paid this much for a system,u tell everbody about it whenever u can.

15 November 2008, 6:24 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mcmurphy510 (New user):

Yeah... you might make a Mac user cry!

10 May 2009, 4:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheBakedBaker (New user):

The problem is (as stated in the article) that most users don't spend the same amount on their computer as they do on their "good second hand car." So, for you, yeah, you're stuck using a terrible operating system, which is likely less burdensome since you probably have a great deal of experience and knowledge, allowing you to work around all the BS the rest of us just have to deal with. You also still have to worry about viruses and all of that crap, while mac users don't. So, if you need a bleeding-edge, state-of-the-art machine, stick with Windows. If you have more "basic" (common) computing needs, save a few grand and get a computer you can actually use.

18 November 2008, 1:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheBakedBaker (New user):

The problem is (as stated in the article) that most users don't spend the same amount on their computer as they do on their "good second hand car." So, for you, yeah, you're stuck using a terrible operating system, which is likely less burdensome since you probably have a great deal of experience and knowledge, allowing you to work around all the BS the rest of us just have to deal with. You also still have to worry about viruses and all of that crap, while mac users don't. So, if you need a bleeding-edge, state-of-the-art machine, stick with Windows. If you have more "basic" (common) computing needs, save a few grand and get a computer you can actually use.

18 November 2008, 2:53 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nerdo (New user):

Obviously cheap enough to come troll this site lol. So what do you do with all this soon to be out of date uberhardware anyway? Play Quake 4?

18 November 2008, 11:19 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Hi mate,no its mostly used for web design,photo editing and for my other passion,air traffic control simulations as im about to become a controller.Its one of the hardest things ive ever done,but very rewarding.

19 November 2008, 10:07 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Balus (New user):

Quoting NetR@nger:
Here is a site i built for brisbane centre) http://www.balus.info/Radar.php

No you didn't. That's my site!




07 December 2008, 11:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Balus (New user):

Quoting NetR@nger:
(Here is a site i built for brisbane centre) http://www.balus.info/Radar.php

No you didn't. That's my site!




07 December 2008, 11:42 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

It seems ive stuffed up and pasted the wrong link,sorry bout that.I have nothing to do with the link that got posted.The one i was supposed to put up is a beta and has been 8 months in the making,and after taking advice from from my client (Brisbane Centre),can not be made public.Once again sorry for the screwup...

08 December 2008, 8:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Decimated (New user):

Well then you are pretty dumb. If you had a brain, clearly you would see that photo editing is far superior on a mac, compared to a windows pc. If mac is so crap, why do people use them professionally for photography, video editing and music? I work closely with people at Nikon and Canon, the majority of users use Mac's. Maybe you like jacking off to your pc specs, but others really don't care? Macs "just work", I used to be for Windows, but after using macs for quite a while now, they are alot better than Windows for reliability, speed and its interface. I can't see how you can say dual quadcore processers is slow to be honest. Hell, you could even had 32gb of ram if you REALLY wanted it.

To add to your ATC sim, I worked for NATS in the UK and you don't need a ridiculously expensive pc for them at all. Its not exactly like you are gonna have much traffic to control in Australia anyway, play with the big boys at Heathrow and London TMA + Area my friend, thats where the REAL controllers are.

18 December 2008, 9:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Decimated:
Well then you are pretty dumb. If you had a brain, clearly you would

Well there is a pointless way to begin presentation of your argument. A mindless insult and a suggestion of anatomical impossibility. Your not off to a good start, are you?


Quoting Decimated:
If mac is so crap, why do people use them

People drive french cars, people wear platform sandals, people drink warm creaming soda, people watch an entire series of "Big Brother". Popular personal choice is never and will never be a reliable indication of quality.


Quoting Decimated:
I work closely with people at Nikon and Canon

So do janitors, the proprietors of the local tuck shop, couriers drivers and even that little man who comes to change the indoor plants.


Quoting Decimated:
Maybe you like jacking off to your pc specs

So you though you'd aid your flagging argument with another insult did you? It didn't work, your argument is still looking feeble.


Quoting Decimated:
I worked for NATS in the UK

Ah that explains it, a Pom, the misguides personal belief of some superiority, based on industries of nearly two centuries ago.
A nation that cannot build a car that doesn't look like something out of a Noddy book.
A nation that cannot field a cricket team that isn't a joke from a population of how many million?
A nation whose only remaining industry is investment banking? Oops that is gonna hurt.


Quoting Decimated:
play with the big boys at Heathrow and London

you really are a sad little Herbert, but thanks for your contribution, we know now the Mac is the clear favorite for braggarts, train-spotters and Walter-Mitty-esque dreamers across the globe.


20 December 2008, 10:52 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

2monkeyballs (New user):

You people. I'm a mac user and I love my mac, I have nothing against PCs and I like them for gaming and such but you guys are insulting eachother over a computer brand. that's a little lame.

23 March 2010, 5:01 AM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Russell Hicks (New user):

Isn't the minimum spec's needed to run Vista?? LOL

20 November 2008, 1:06 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Russell Hicks (New user):
Isn't the minimum spec's needed to run Vista?? LOL you twat

If your talking to me russell,Plain undisputed fact of life:Its a windows world-deal with it

20 November 2008, 4:19 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DeadLetter (New user):

CPU could be better, why do you need 16GB of ram you'll never use it unless you are a serious power user, tri sli has been proven to have very poor scaling, OS is Vista.

And to your comment about "cheap" hardware, well the majority of the market want cheap PC's, the small manority which you belong to that know how to make a PC etc don't really matter.

17 October 2009, 10:47 AM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jimbo2K8 (New user):

So what you are saying is "if you can't afford it, you don't deserve it". Yes, very inclusive. Just the image a company wants to shoot for.

In case you hadn't noticed, you still can't touch an Apple MacBook for under $1200. I can get 2 HP's for that much, and that includes 1 yr of support. And it's much more upgradeable.

It's annoying comments like these that make me dislike Apple. Before you bash Windows, get a clue. It has introduced many more users to computers than Mac has. It's the prevalent OS in home AND business, and the choice in places where brains are required by almost 8 to 1.

20 November 2008, 8:12 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Izzy (New user):

I agree with just about everything you have to say. But I diverge on one issue, I don't think IBM makes PC's anymore, they sold their laptop division to Lenovo and I think (not sure) that Lenovo also is making their desktops now.

15 November 2008, 12:39 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

IBM is more oriented at providing services for major corporations such as banks for their bread and butter. I think Lenovo only has rights to the Thinkpad marque for a certain number of years.

15 November 2008, 1:05 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

Very good points and ones I would definitely use to best describe the goodness of the Mac. What's most annoying about Mac is that we still have to interact with Windows some day in one way or another. Whether it be trying to change everyone's old PC habits (like shutting down or putting everything on the desktop) or trying to solve problems through tech-support, which simply wouldn't exist in a Mac environment.

I'm constantly (seriously, constantly) telling myself, "If only this were a Mac, I'd be able to do this so much better/easier/faster......." or "If this were my Mac, I wouldn't have to do this." Like: "I wouldn't have to find, purchase and install this lame 3rd-party dictionary/PDF reader/Video Player/DVD player software," or, "I wouldn't have to be downloading this Windows Defender update twice a week." or "I wouldn't have to wait for 10 seconds while Windows Explorer decides it wants to hang." or "I wouldn't have to waste all these hours getting rid of this virus, or installing this driver."

It all adds up, and I think most Mac users find that they actually use their Mac (rather than fix it) more than they've ever used a PC before.

14 November 2008, 11:55 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

Quoting McBanjo:
If only this were a Mac, I'd be able to do this so much better/easier/faster


im sorry i dissagree, i have trouble auto arraging icons on a mac where as on windows you simply right click then go view then select auto arrange, keep in mind these macs were osx 10.4

my VISTA laptop has no antivirus and yet has never ever had a virus.

i agree with explorer hannging, when was the last time i updated windows defender, oh wait it updates itself through windows update

15 November 2008, 12:50 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lantzn (New user):

Auto Arrange on Mac 10.4
2 ways
1. From Finder choose View/Arrange By and pick your poison.
2. From Finder choose View/Show View Options, Desktop Window opens, go to the bottom and check the box that says Keep Arranged By and used the pop down menu to pick your poison.

I like the second option because it's automated and gives you a lot more options. I also like the Label Position to the right for a more organized icon/list sort of view.

15 November 2008, 7:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hutriest (New user):

hahaha... very funny if you said that auto arrange is your problem in a mac. Too many option you can do @ mac desktop, include resize the icons, arrange all icon position.

About vista, sorry i'm not agree that vista is stable OS. I'm back to XP after get to much annoying error and hang-and-hang in many application include when running ms Office, fanny huh, compatible issue with their own product ^^

15 November 2008, 11:47 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

i didnt say vista was stable. i just said mine doesnt catch viruses, the STABLE vista is the 64bit version.

im sick of vista it decides it wants to hang, crash or fail when ever it wants, i cant have a day where i have vista not failing at least once, no one say its my hardware either my computer has a hell of enough power to run vista

15 November 2008, 11:56 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Fair enough. However, i think that you can't exactly say its annoying to have to interact with windows. Its just a fact that most corporate environments runs on a Microsoft environment. Its up to Apple to make the interactions easier for guys. Microsoft to a certain extent (although market driven more than anything) tried to make communications between macs and pcs easier by providing microsoft products like office for mac. Things could be worse off i think...

In relations to drivers, its something that's more to do with the Mac being quite strict about its hardware specifications. In the PC realm, people like to build their own, so think about the number of combinations that Microsoft has to deal with in terms of drivers. Only if Microsoft started to design and build their own pcs to their specifications, i'm sure that they would run just as smooth. I understand this because i triple boot Vista, Ubuntu and OSX86 on my laptop. The one with the least issues is Vista, followed by Ubuntu, then OSX86. It's because my copy of Vista was preinstalled, so the configurations are just right (fingers crossed). OSX86, as everyone knows has issues with every non-apple laptops... it might be sleep, might be wifi, and might even be touchpad.... but its because of the drivers available. Apple is smart in controlling the hardware. Unfortunately for microsoft, they are just a bit too big to control it. Its good though, to read about how they are trying to come to terms with their issues...

Viruses... i'm not trying to insult you (because people just report abuse), but most major corporations like banks, schools, government agencies run on a windows based environment. There's a larger interest in creating a virus for this platform. Whereas, for the 8? 10% of predominately graphics designers or web designers... there needs to be a real incentive.
Other than that, i think OSX is a more user oriented product, where they will try to cover everything, however, with Windows, its still (meaning Vista) in the era of 'Just an operating system'. Therefore, i'm quite excited about the release of 7, as it would be a make-or-break for microsoft in the OS environment. There's a benchmark set by Apple here.... and microsoft knows for a fact that they just need to meet it.

15 November 2008, 1:01 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Cornerstone member):

Quoting McBanjo:
the goodness of the Mac

Take your hand off it.


Quoting McBanjo:
What's most annoying about Mac is that we still have to interact with Windows some day

Uh-oh goodness breakdown!, If it was all goodness why would you ever have to interact with Windows? Ever?


Quoting McBanjo:
Whether it be trying to change every one's old PC habits

Last time a religious fanatic tried to change my habits I set the dog on him, sort out your own habits, and stay the hell out of everyone else's.


Quoting McBanjo:
while Windows Explorer decides it wants to hang

Ah yes Safari hanging is a so much better experience, I think its all that goodness.


Spare us the evangelism, enjoy your MAC it may suit your needs, It isn't adequate for mine, to each their own, and if you still see fit to wish to change other peoples habits, then the dog is keen for a run.

15 November 2008, 12:20 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

thegnu (New user):

Quoting McBanjo:
What's most annoying about Mac is that we still have to interact with Windows some day in one way or another.
--
yeah, the real bummer is that neither apple nor microsoft are actually interested in interoperability. they just want THEIR product to be the most compatible with the other product, and they both achieve their goal by making it hard for the users of the other product.

i am actually relatively unhappy with my mac, but i bought it because i needed a laptop, and at the time, i wasn't sure about linux power management. i do prefer mac over windows. i just dislike the fanboyism and revisitionist history that often comes from the mac camp. i do, i suppose, just cackle madly at the windows fanboys. :)


15 September 2009, 10:25 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting McBanjo:
Whether it be trying to change everyone's old PC habits (like shutting down


Saving energy is a bad habit? Please describe a good habit. Quoting McBanjo:
"I wouldn't have to wait for 10 seconds while Windows Explorer decides it wants to hang."


On a PC, I wouldn't have to wait for 10 seconds while maximising windows, then arranging all the toolbars on Microsoft Word so that there isn't any desktop left. I really can't stand seeing glimpses of my wallpaper when working on an essay.
Quoting McBanjo:
lame 3rd-party dictionary/PDF reader/Video Player/DVD player software,"


Then don't install the lame 3rd-party Dictionary, Video Player and DVD Player software. Use the built-in stuff (if you really dislike 3rd party stuff that much) and dictionary.com Although you will need the PDF viewer

11 March 2010, 9:27 PM (4 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

itd (New user):

"15 reasons Macs are still better than Windows"

I think you missed the most obvious reason of all...
A "Mac" is a hardware/software combination that forms a working entity; "Windows" is an operating system. Give me a full computer system over an operating system disc any day :)


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mcmurphy510 (New user):

Quoting itd:
A "Mac" is a hardware/software combination that forms a working entity; "Windows" is an operating system


Yep... very true... can't argue with that... Mac is a rigid, un-flexible combo of hardware and software that limits your choices... Whereas Windows is just an OS that allows you much more room in terms what you can put in your computer.

Quoting itd:
Give me a full computer system over an operating system disc any day :)


But, yeah... a full computer is better than just a software disk... that's why I generally put my Windows on my computer, rather than just leave it on the coffee table...

10 May 2009, 4:40 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MiCCAS (Regular user):

I'm sorry but this is the stupidest post I have ever seen from APCMag. Firstly, I'm not a Windows fanboi or a Mac fanboi - it's whatever suits the person that I care about.

However:

#3 - Windows has nothing to do with the software it runs off, they can't help if it's not "quality parts". If people want to get quality parts, they get quality parts. If they don't, they don't. Apple mac however forces you to use what they want you to use.

#4 - This ONCE AGAIN depends on the manufacturer. Less blinking lights.. has nothing to do with Windows.

#5 - An opinion, not evidence.

#6 - Windows comes with similar tools...

#7 - Windows has this too, more software than Macs do

#8 - Of course, jam pack it with crap people may not want to use...

#9 - I don't see any difference to what Windows has.

#10 - This is stupid.. What you see there is not Windows products, or Microsoft products - they are THIRD PARTY products!

#11 - When I have used the Mac dock I have found it very hard to differentiate what is what in terms of what's open and what is links.

#12 - Yet, when a virus or security hole is found for Macs they take forever to patch it - Windows does it in very short time - and, just because a Mac isn't popular enough now and therefore doesn't have as many outbreaks as Windows users, what about if it did - if the company won't even patch holes then how do you suppose it to cope?

#13 - *cough* Safari for Windows *cough*

#14 - Oh, and guess what.. Windows runs Photoshop too :O

#15 - I won't comment on this one because I simply haven't used it in a Mac and it would be unfair to comment on my opinion.

Just wanting to reiterate what I said before, if Mac suits you then Mac is the way to go for YOU.. I am sick of people thinking Windows is good for them so it's good for them.. The same with Mac, Linux, etc.

15 November 2008, 12:32 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Woodgrain (New user):

Agree 100%

You are absolutely right.

It's not about which is the better operating system, but which one works best for you. It's like buying an F1 sports car and trying to compare it to a Toyota Corolla & complaining that the F1 is harder to use and you need technical knowledge to use it.

This article frustrates me because there are a lot of readers that trust APC, as it is a good magazine, and will assume that this article is based more on fact than opinion.

The other point I'd like to add, as a System Administrator, is that Mac's are not designed for a corporate environment. They are great for little home workgroups, but nothing more.

I think it a very dangerous position for APC (or anyone for that matter) to suggest that users on Mac's don't need antivirus or antispyware. Please, let me encourage Mac users to get these for their computers, in many cases you do not know you have a virus/trojan until you install antivirus software to point it out to you.

If you find it difficult to use or to deal with Windows (or Linux), let me encourage you to try a Mac, my friends that struggled with Windows find it much easier. But please, don't try and convince all of your friends that use and like Windows/Linux that Mac is better, it's just different.

26 November 2008, 12:05 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

matthewlowery (New user):

Quoting MiCCAS:
Of course, jam pack it with crap people may not want to use...

They're the best design apps in the business. If you didn't want them, why would you have bought a mac? Mac's are for design lol! Quoting MiCCAS:
*cough* Safari for Windows *cough*
sucks.




Quoting MiCCAS:
This is stupid.. What you see there is not Windows products, or Microsoft products - they are THIRD PARTY products!


Still, all WINDOWS computers come with them. Not windows OS, but windows computers. Quoting MiCCAS:
When I have used the Mac dock I have found it very hard to differentiate what is what in terms of what's open and what is links.

One word - glasses.


11 July 2009, 7:58 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

thegnu (New user):

Quoting matthewlowery:
Quoting MiCCAS:
*cough* Safari for Windows *cough*
sucks.

*cough* Google Chrome *cough*?

also, i failed to point out that there have been some really horrible hardware decisions and terrible hardware components included in apple computers in the past. the difference is with a PC, you can choose to buy something else.



15 September 2009, 10:30 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake (User):

the booting of my vista is 25 secconds and thats a cold boot, no3 the screens arent microsoft or windows problems its the hardware manufacturers,

15 November 2008, 12:32 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

itd (New user):

Seriously though, my previous post was just drawing attention the confused nature of the article.


After stating at the beginning of the article
“partly because Macs are now PCs -- so the argument is now really Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux”
You then go on to mention;

“3. Apple uses good quality parts.” – you will get arguments for and against this but seriously what does this have to do with “so the argument is now really Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux”

“4. Less blinking lights. ….. Apple doesn't festoon its hardware with blinking lights and inconveniently placed wireless on/off buttons, headphone jacks, etc. ….. This lack of basic design refinement can make PC notebooks annoying to use for the entire lifespan of the unit” Once again this is debatable eg; non user replaceable parts like batteries meaning the whole machine becomes a brick because of one small failure, lack of ports or those that are custom/obscure or lack wide support meaning you lose or break something and you either do without or if you can find it, it costs more than a generic part.

“5. OS X + Windows is better than just Windows” – ummm yeah but once again “the argument is now really Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux” but suddenly a new contender emerges which is the first two at once.

Can you see where I am going with this, I disagree with “the argument is now really Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux” because I think what you are actually comparing is a turnkey solution – the Apple MAC with its Apple OS – and a piece of a bigger modular system – the Microsoft Windows OS and hardware provided by a variety of vendors.

What I think is the most amazing thing about all of this is that Apple Macs don’t perform better and PCs are not significantly worse. Apple designs the entire product; hardware, operating system, and even a large amount of the software and yet they produce a product that is largely comparable to a PC running Microsoft Windows; an operating system that manages to run on infinitely diverse combinations and permutations of hardware, with equally diverse software.

Given that Apple controls virtually the entire product design process, both hardware and software, I have long wondered why they don’t manage to produce an infinitely superior product. As it stands, based on sales figures, more people prefer the mix and match of PC/Windows than the total integrated design of Apple Macs and you will get large numbers of people arguing that one is better than the other. The Apple Mac SHOULD be the no-contest winner and yet it is not, what is wrong?

15 November 2008, 1:13 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

Quoting itd:

After stating at the beginning of the article
“partly because Macs are now PCs -- so the argument is now really Mac OS X vs Windows vs Linux”
You then go on to mention;


Fair point :-) What I meant was that the argument in general is more about the operating systems these days, though my article looks at Macs (as a whole) vs Windows PCs.

15 November 2008, 9:08 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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