Apple refuses to submit to Greenpeace testing

Angus Kidman14 January 2009, 6:09 PM

Apple likes to boast about the green credentials of its most recent MacBook machines, but when it came to being assessed by Greenpeace, the Cupertino crowd chickened out.


Apple was one of six major technology companies which declined to take part in Greenpeace's second Electronics Survey, which rates how environmentally friendly consumer technology products actually are. The others who refused to take part were Nintendo (long rated by Greenpeace as the least environmentally-conscious manufacturer), Microsoft, Asus, Palm and Philips. A total of 15 companies took part (Acer, Dell, Fujitsu Siemens, HP, Lenovo, LG, Motorola, Nokia, RIM, Sharp and Samsung).

Apple has disputed Greenpeace’s methodology when criticised in the past, but has taken to boasting about its own efforts to improve environmental friendliness, describing its MacBooks as “the industry’s greenest notebook family”. However, it appears that Apple doesn’t want to subject those claims to independent scrutiny.

“We outreached to Apple as we did to the other manufacturers, but they ultimately decided not to submit,” said Greenpeace toxics campaigner Casey Harrell, who wrote the report. “We wanted all companies to participate.” The survey relies on detailed information about manufacturing processes, and testing commercially-purchased machines doesn’t produce an accurate assessment. “About 70% of the information that we use to grade is available on company sites, but not 100%,” Harrell said.

For the Electronics Survey, Greenpeace asked manufacturers to submit their most environmentally friendly current products in six categories: notebooks, desktops, LCD monitors, televisions, mobile phones and smart phones. Each was rated on a number of environmental factors, including the use of toxic chemicals, energy efficiency, and the provision of a free consumer takeback program and use of recycled components, and given an overall score out of 10. “What we’re here to do is separate green fact from green fiction.” Harrell said.

The top-scoring product was a 24 inch monitor from Lenovo, which got a score of 6.9. While that suggests there’s plenty of room for better approaches, Harrell said the results showed improvement from Greenpeace’s first round of testing in 2008.

“Progress is being made, and that's a very important thing to emphasis. We're no longer having to cajole people about the need for green. We're really focusing at this point on the depth of how green these products are. A few years ago these scores would have been much closer to zero.”

Greenpeace doesn’t want to develop a formal rating scheme for all products, since one of its major aims is to ensure industry produces environmentally-friendly products as a matter of course. “We don't want green products to be a niche product — we want them to be the product,” Harrell said.

The worst performing category was mobile phones, a situation exacerbated by the relatively frequent turnover amongst high-end phone users. However, this should not be used as an excuse, Harrell said. “If we combined the greenest aspects of every mobile phone, we would have scores significantly higher. It blows away the notion that we could not have greener products now.”


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Tin (Regular user):

Customer takeback programs are all well and good, but do these Greenpeace calculations factor in the fuel and recycling "cost" to the environment? If I send back an old device that contains very little toxic content, is the fuel burned transporting it and recycling it less damaging than simply landfilling with it?
That's the only part I'm questioning BTW. The concept is fantastic.

You do have to wonder why a company would refuse though... Unless of course they are horribly polluting the planet, which is what we assume anyway when they refuse. They may aswell agree to the testing and use it as a way to figure out what can be changed instead of hiding and pretending they aren't doing anything wrong.

14 January 2009, 10:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Voice (New user):

Well, the article actually explains (in general terms) why a company might refuse.

"Apple has disputed Greenpeace’s methodology when criticised in the past..."

Do some digging, and you'll find out that Apple has gotten dinged before for not providing a road-map on removing some chemicals from it's product line. Why? Because they had *already* removed those chemicals from their product line. That *should* have rated them *higher*.

"Greenpeace doesn’t want to develop a formal rating scheme for all products..."

Greenpeace doesn't want a formal method because they want to be able to pick and choose based on 'feel' who gets good scores and who doesn't. They aren't using anything that approaches valid scientific methods to 'score' the companies.

15 January 2009, 2:32 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Voice:
Do some digging, and you'll find out that Apple has gotten dinged before for not providing a road-map on removing some chemicals from it's product line. Why? Because they had *already* removed those chemicals from their product line. That *should* have rated them *higher*.


That's easier to come back on than flat out refusing to take part. Refusing to take part implies they have things to hide.

15 January 2009, 5:09 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

Would you want Greenpeace on your door telling you how much you destroy the environment (by Greenpeace standards), when you're trying to compete in a dominated market? If we've only just figured out that companies are spinning off this 'green' idea, we need to wake up. Greenpeace will tell everyone how Apple is the worst electronics polluter of the environment (which they probably are), but then accidentally fail to mention the life-span or value derived from their products. Typical Greenpeace.

Think about how much water, electricity and waste is used just to make the clothes on your back. It's enormous! You know, that environment is so taxed and toiled....we should all just walk around naked. We'd save so much of the environment. These companies only exist because there is obviously a huge demand for saving some other things in our lives that we hold to be more valuable than the environment. This is a great thing, and it's the foundation of our modern economic lives. The ability to choose between these things.

15 January 2009, 7:07 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

wallyboy (New user):

Greenpeace is just another interest group. They will always find environmental damage because that's what justifies their existence. Financially and politically, they depend on finding environmental damage as often as possible and in exaggerating the severity and extent of that damage.

Believing their reports is no different than believing the NRA on the need for gun control.


15 January 2009, 3:59 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Who the hell mandated greenpeace for such a task anyway. Did anyone vote for them? Self elected interest group nothing more.
You can bet that those organisations that make the largest donations will be those with the greenest reviews. Rotten to the green core.

15 January 2009, 9:31 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

court-circuit (New user):

Except that Greenpeace refuses any donations from any corporations, whoever they are.

15 January 2009, 11:14 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting court-circuit:
Except that Greenpeace refuses any donations from any corporations, whoever they are.

Yeah you go believing that, wanna buy a bridge?

There are more funds at play than anything collected in plastic buckets, by annoying people at rail stations.


15 January 2009, 11:25 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ash (User):

Quoting Raindog:
You can bet that those organisations that make the largest donations will be those with the greenest reviews.

If that were true, why are the reviews universally poor? Nobody's donating?




15 January 2009, 4:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Ash:
If that were true, why are the reviews universally poor? Nobody's donating?

That or not donating enough! Any organisation that uses piracy as a weapon would have little trouble turning their hands to a touch of corporate extortion.

The review are universally poor because Greenpeace is light on in the reality stakes. Any other questions?

15 January 2009, 4:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Raindog:
Who the hell mandated greenpeace for such a task anyway. Did anyone vote for them? Self elected interest group nothing more.


They aren't doing anything much different to a magazine comparative review (such as the one APC's printed version just did on antivirus). Only thing is they need details from the companies involved, so only willing companies can take part.

At the end of this particular process, participating companies are likely to acheive 2 things:
1) They will have a list of ways they could improve their manufacturing process.
2) Regardless of their score, they will be seen by the public to actually care about the environment. To some, this is very important, and the number of people who care is increasing daily.

15 January 2009, 5:21 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
2) Regardless of their score, they will be seen by the public to actually care about the environment.

Whin in itself is nothing more than hogwash. Being seen to do something and actually achieving the outcome are two entirely different things. A little bit like the governments proposed carbon taxing, it all "is seen" to be very positive for the environment, but what positive measure have actually been achieved. You can sign 50 protocols but until you actually address efficiencies nothing will change.


Quoting Tin:
To some, this is very important,

Myself included, which is why I'd like to see something positive rather than all this feel good rubbish we are being subjected to.


Quoting Tin:
and the number of people who care is increasing daily.

Most people care, but for mug consumers they need real alternatives, not reviews from fanatics who'd rather the population lived in trees and died of dysentry.


15 January 2009, 6:19 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

The difference between APC and Greenpeace is that APC doesn't have an agenda to send us all into little huts and make us grow our own food.

15 January 2009, 7:13 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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