Apple says no to Samsung's hybrid flash hard drives in new Macs

David Flynn
21 December 2006, 7:39 AM


... but says yes to Intel's motherboard-integrated 'Robson' flash technology for enhancing performance and extending notebook battery life?


One year on from the introduction of Intel's made-for-mobile Core Duo 'Yonah' processor in its MacBook Pro line, Apple looks set to integrate another member of the Centrino technology family into its next-gen notebooks.

This time around it's Robson, Intel's codename for an on-board module which uses NAND flash memory as a 'smart storage' buffer between system RAM and the hard drive.

The flash chip is used to store system boot files as well as the most often-used data files, which can be written and retrieved at several magnitudes faster than any mechanical hard disk -- especially when the drive itself has to spin up to speed before disk access can take place.

The benefits extend from faster start up, shutdown, standby and resume times to enhanced application performance and, for notebooks, extended battery life.

Robson is part of the checklist for Santa Rosa, the codename for Intel's next iteration of the Centrino platform, and it's been extensively demonstrated at every IDF expo over the past 12 months (you can read Intel's backgrounder and performance claims here).

Intel will sell Robson to OEMs as a mini-card module or a kit of components which can be mounted directly onto the motherboard. Santa Rosa's Crestline chipset will act as traffic cop, coordinating Robson's flow of bits over the PCI Express bus.

 

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Modules are expected to be offered starting at 256MB for around US$20 to OEM manufacturers, according to information presented at the this year's Computex techfest in Taiwan, with other packages at 512MB, 1GB and 2GB.

The cards have a 40 Mb/s read time and 12-15 Mb/s write time -- typical for NAND, in which write times exceed read times (and the opposite of NOR, where reading is the quicker of the two operations).

However, Robson won't be a must-have item in the Santa Rosa recipe. "You'll see many systems with Robson, because it enables us to accelerate performance and save battery life, but it will not be mandatory" Mooly Eden, General Manager for Intel's Mobile Platforms Group, told APC in a recent interview. Manufacturers will be free to choose if they adopt Robson and, if so, how much flash memory they use.

So where does Apple fit into this? Late last month, on a visit to Samsung in Korea, APC met with the Chuck Kang, an engineer from the Flash Memory Planning Group in Samsung's sprawling semiconductor business.

Kang was briefing us on Samsung's flash-enhanced hybrid hard drive, which takes the same approach as Robson but integrates the flash memory into the hard disk assembly rather than mount it on the motherboard.

Microsoft has long promoted Samsung's technology, which will be branded as FlashON drives, as a poster child for the ReadyDrive capability in Windows Vista. (ReadyDrive is the inbuilt OS support for disk caching to NAND flash devices -- not to be confused with ReadyBoost, which uses USB memory keys to expand the pool of available system memory). We'll have more on hybrid hard drives next week.

During our chat with Kang, we asked if Samsung had offered the technology to other OS vendors besides Microsoft?
"We did propose the HDD (hybrid disk drive) concept to Apple" he said, "but Apple's opinion is that they're not going to use [the] HDD for their systems... they won't support it".
Kang said that with the appropriate software, Samsung's FlashON "can support other operating systems" besides Vista, so all is not lost.

However, it's certain that Apple won't be first in line at the hybrid hard disk party when these drives start to hit the market through the first quarter of 2007.

Which made us wonder if Apple is set to add another piece of the Centrino technology tinker-set to its own checklist, especially for notebooks.

It's not that hybrid hard drives can't be used on desktops. However their most significant benefits are most appropriate to laptops. Extending battery life by reducing hard disk access and hopefully the number of times the disk needs to spin up at all is a no-brainer for notebooks.

Faster times for startup, shutdown, sleep and resume times -- all due to slabs of the necessary system startup data being read from and written to a slab of flash RAM rather than hard disc platters -- are far less crucial to Apple than in the Windows world. Take 10 seconds off the resume time for most Windows notebooks and you've more than halved the finger-drumming wait. Take ten seconds off the resume time for a Mac and you're back to a point in time before you actually lifted the laptop's lid.

Of course, no-one would object to eking out any extra degrees of speed from their Mac desktop, and this is where the overall enhanced performance of a flash-assisted hard disk access comes into play.

Provided the OS or the associated drive software is smart enough, the most-used code can be loaded into flash memory for faster recall, with associated files deliberately shovelled into the flash segment for 'pre-fetching' so they're ready for when you need them.

Intel's Robson rollout calls for a specific driver which builds a bridge between Robson, the OS and Intel's Matrix Storage Manager for managing the NAND flash.

There's also BIOS and EFI-level code which breathes life into the Robson module before the OS and its drivers load, which is necessary if most (or all) of the OS itself is to be called directly from flash memory.


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roddor:

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The cards have a 40 Mb/s read time and 12-15 Mb/s write time -- typical for NAND, in which write times exceed read times (and the opposite of NOR, where reading is the quicker of the two operations).
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It should say:
and the opposite of NOR, where reading is the slower of the two operations

Mb/s is a speed (or data rate) unit, not a time unit.

Just my 5c.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

speed involves time in its measurement, and thier point is that in Nand, write is faster, where as in NOR, read is Faster.

so the word Fast is used for speed.. is not the word quick used as well? Both have to do with speed which is distance over time, or in this case, data per second.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Sawyer:

Apple might not want to use drives that have flash memory built-in, in favor of putting it on the logic board, to allow users to replace their drives with standard drives (to have larger drives, or in the course of a repair), and still be able to take advantage of the flash technology. Or, putting it on the logic board may be the cheaper approach, which is usually what Apple favors.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pierre Saslawsky:

Flash memory isn't as reliable as a good old disk drive, so keeping it separate from the drive would allow Apple to bypass it in case of failure, and eventually ask the user to replace it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive#Drawbacks
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1975101,00.asp




29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin Pilkington:

I believe Apple is choosing the best option. As previous posters have said, including the technology in the machine allows users to use any hard drive. Apple has already taken this approach with it's sudden motion sensor. While IBM used a similar technology in it's notebooks, that system was built into the hard drive. With MacBooks, the SMS is built into the machine.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Poss:

Although I support the idea that the modules would be the best solution for the notebooks of 2007, I feel that with an older model notebook, not having the option of utilizing a flashON system, is a little unfair as, even the current core 2 duos would be exempt from using those hybrid drives as an upgrade option... Isn't that worth discussing too?
A OS plugin at least could be offered huh, for the loyal users of yesteronths macbooks!!! All they need to is say it's open source to avoid the royalty hairball hack-up.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

letowskie:

While Intel's approach is interesting in that in the short term, it allows for more flexibility of the system configuratin as well as service, in the long run, it is likely a losing proposition. The technology Samsung and others (such as Seagate) are pursuing have key long term advantages, in that Hybrid HD is an intermediate stage in the full on migration of most mobile systems toward fully outfitted Solid State Drives which.

When the capacity/price of NAND flash become more in line with the need of a typical OS boot partition, it will make sense to migrate most of the mobile devices toward flash based storage with high rd/wt rates, as well as no moving parts in the entire system. That migration will begin with the the ULV devices beginning in the next 12 months or so, and gradually move to more general mobile systems. The interim usage of HHD will likely facilitate the development of certain HAL components and APIs in a number of OSes that will allow easier migration paths for SSDs of the future. And it is clear that Vista is the beginning of that trend. And a number of Linux distros are likely to follow, since they rely on the hardware infrasture of windows based PCs.

Robson, while an good temporary solution in the short run, will be rendered obsolete in intermediate and longer term development of mobile computers. And other hidden costs (such as taking up valuable mainboard realestate in small mobile systems, which will negate one of its advantages of allowing smaller formfactor devices based on lower thermal dissipation) will limit its deployment even during its purported window of opportunity.

Taking a long view, Robson is a dead-end technology. It is solely designed for two purposes, one being allowing faster wake up from hibernation/sleep states (or boot up to a lesser extent), second is a reduction in power consumption. And especially taking into account new memory technologies on the horizon, such as M-RAM, its use in allowing for faster wake up time may be short lived. A tech like M-RAM allows for system to state in a suspended state on extremely low level of power consumption, as little as 1 percent of the power requirement of standby mode through DRAM. On the other hand, hybrid HDD is a component in a long term strategy that aims to shift the landscape of the storage subsystem of mobile computers, and should be able to have a much longer lasting impact in the industry as well as on the market.

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