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The ever-changing design for Apple's iPod connector presents diabolical problems for accessory manufacturers and end-users.

Apple: stop changing the F$#%ing iPod connector!!!

Dan Warne24 July 2008, 4:10 PM

Will your $500 iPod speakers work with your iPhone 3G? Don't count on it.


In tech circles there has always quip that comes up every time someone talks about a "standard": someone in the group always pipes up, "yeah, but which version of the standard?" The joke, of course, being that every standard has umpteen different implementations by different manufacturers. Bluetooth is a classic example… a "standard" which was implemented differently by every manufacturer, so, for the first few years, Bluetooth devices often wouldn't connect to each other.

For all its flaws, one advantage Apple should have is that since it designs its hardware, software and sometimes the standards, all its stuff should work together well.

If you buy a pair of speakers with a 30-pin, official Apple-certified iPod dock connector, surely it should work with iPods that have 30 pin iPod sockets. Don't count on it. Increasingly, angry purchasers of the iPhone 3G are discovering that their accessories don't work with it — even ones that used to work fine with the recently released iPod Touch.

Bose's pricey but excellent iPod speakers don't work with the iPhone 3G, for example. Correction — they do work for playing music, but if an appointment reminder appears on the iPhone 3G's screen, the speakers let out a frighteningly loud pop as if they are about to blow out, even if the music is playing softly. Also, the speakers cannot charge the iPhone, because Apple changed the iPhone 3G's charging system to no longer accept 12v charging on the Firewire pin in the dock connector. It now only accepts 5v USB charging. The same goes for Logitech's MM50 iPod speakers.

I have a Pioneer car stereo — DEHP8950BT — which cost me an arm and a leg because it includes both Bluetooth and iPod connectivity in the one device (most car head units require you to buy add-on boxes that provide imperfect integration with Bluetooth and/or iPod.) It works fine with my third-generation iPod and my iPod Nano, but it can't cope with any iPod Touch or iPhone, simply displaying an error on the screen.

All three companies named here — Bose, Logitech and Pioneer — are premium Apple partners. Unlike the cheap no-name companies that have pirated the Apple connector, these three companies have paid Apple's expensive licencing fees to get the connector properly and ensure they meet all of Apple's standards.

Like any company in the fiercely competitive consumer electronics industry, Apple constantly looks for ways to cut costs of manufacturing. Perhaps it changed the iPhone 3G to USB-only charging because it can be done with a chip that is 50c cheaper than the one that accepts both USB and Firewire. But it screws over everyone who has bought hundreds of dollars' worth of iPod accessories that no longer work with the new model.

There could, of course, be a more sinister motive for Apple doing this: with many suppliers of iPod accessories, Apple has a revenue sharing agreement. If companies want to use the officially licensed iPod connector and avoid being sued, they have to provide a percentage of the product's selling price to Apple. So, instead of paying a $2 per unit fee to get the connector, they could be paying x% of whatever their product costs. The more expensive the product, the more money Apple makes. The more times you have to buy those iPod speakers over and over again, the more money Apple manages to milk from you over time.

I have one message to Apple, and it's in the title of this article. Stop changing the F!@#ing iPod connector or risk frustrating your loyal customers to the point where they don't consider Apple for their next media player purchase.


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tfacter (User):

works on my DEHP8950BT

24 July 2008, 4:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

What works... an iPod Touch or iPhone? I wonder if Pioneer updated the firmware on later models...

24 July 2008, 5:06 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):


A firmware upgrade to enable new features is entirely tolerable, but there is no excuse for a failed connection at least comperable to the feature set of previous generations of product.

24 July 2008, 7:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Karabash (New user):

Quoting tfacter:
works on my DEHP8950BT


When you state this works, are you getting the iPhone 3G to recharge?

27 October 2008, 10:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Aha... That sort of makes a mockery of the whole Apple Licensed accessory thing. May as well just buy a cheap adapter and use a normal stereo. At least then you're not down silly amounts of money in 12 months if you drop you iProduct and have to replace it.

24 July 2008, 4:53 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tfacter (User):

iphone and iphone3G... mind you it wasnt so simple to get it working i had to put the phone in ipod mode before it would even notice it...

24 July 2008, 5:15 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tfacter (User):

dont blame yourself mate.. the touch and iphone have been S@..ful when it comes to working with other stuff

24 July 2008, 5:16 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Opportunity for someone to become potentially filthy rotten rich....

A converter for the different plugs.

Anyway, its funny that there are just as much negative press about Apple as there are with Microsoft. People used to say Microsoft is in it for only the money, well... they're all the same! Not to mention their problems with their Pushmail service.... people getting charged on free accounts and downtime....

24 July 2008, 5:26 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tfacter (User):

i think youll find they have under estimated the sheer volume of people that would be hammering the snot outta the servers.. logging on me.com now everything works fine and push is going ok.. atleast it is on my phone


24 July 2008, 5:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tfacter (User):

infact i just tested the push on mobileme it was instant


24 July 2008, 5:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Quoting tfacter:

tfacter i think youll find they have under estimated the sheer volume of people that would be hammering the snot outta the servers..

The fault is still with Apple. All customer cares is the end product. No excuses, they should have tested it throughly.

25 July 2008, 9:16 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

iPods are cheap as chips these days, they have to make money from somewhere. But you're definitely right, Apple shouldn't be causing these problems (if they are.) It's not worth the bad rep.

But don't throw all the blame on Apple. If you've bought an expensive set of speakers from BOSE, wouldn't it be right to have BOSE fix its own issue rather than get Apple to do it for every device out there?

24 July 2008, 6:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

I don't think so McBanjo... assuming BOSE followed the Apple specs (which included 12V charging) I can't see how it's BOSE's fault that Apple arbitrarily changed to 5V-only charging.

24 July 2008, 6:19 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AJR23 (New user):

I'm with you McBanjo! Also, it's a bit stupid to assume that an iPhone would have the exact iPod connections as this is possibly the biggest revamp so far in the iPod line up!! Technology is always evolving and sometimes this means hardware will change...look at the changes your modern desktop computer has gone through!! Do you whinge and whine with every computer you have to upgrade...? Or when you buy a new home stereo system just before Hi-Def and Blu-Ray come out...?? Get used to it, build a bridge, and get over it!!! Regarding the other companies, why would Apple delay the release of their new units to wait for other companies to get with the game...? And like Tin said, just buy a cheap adaptor and save some money mate..!

25 July 2008, 6:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

How is it Bose's issues when the product they designed for works perfectly?

FYI, not everyone thinks iPods are cheap as chips (ask anyone with a Mortgage), it might be to you, but don't generalize like that!

It's simply a commercial decision. Just that Sony Ericsson and the like had gotten away with it!

25 July 2008, 9:20 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Penguin (Advanced member):

Quoting McBanjo:
iPods are cheap as chips these days


Are they?

19 March 2009, 12:42 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Whilst standards are always impose limits, the deliberate obsolescence being created by Apple, Nokia etc has gone past the ridiculous.

Bluetooth has to be the most ill conceived standard that has ever been contrived. (I've yet to find a bluetooth connection that can charge my phone or stop it becoming an in car missile.)

The real problem is that the market purchases first and regrets later, and all these manufacturers are geared up to take full financial advantage of this. There isn't a single phone on the market that adequately adopts to an in vehicle environment, so clearly there isn't a market for such practicality!

I'm sorry to burst any corporate bubble but this stuff "does not just work"!! The accessory interoperability is terrible and worsening rapidly with each new release.

24 July 2008, 7:11 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

moraldilemma (New user):

Dude, you'll never find a blutooth connection that will charge a phone. Bluetooth is merely radio waves. Tesla tried to make electricity fly through the air in the early 1900s but he couldn't make it work. No one has been able to make electricity fly through the air - ever.

And my phone works perfectly well in my car, and there is a huge market for "such practicality"

And is 'interoperability' even a word?

25 July 2008, 5:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

You can make electricity fly through the air. It happens in nature. Not real safe though.
Alternatively, you can send power using radio waves, but only a very small amount. RFID stuff uses this tactic. Not practical (or safe) for the power required for phones though.

25 July 2008, 6:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting moraldilemma:
Dude

Don't call me dude!

Quoting moraldilemma:
you'll never find a blutooth connection that will charge a phone

So you agree bluetooth immediately fails one essential requirement of a good in vehicle car environment.


Quoting moraldilemma:
Bluetooth is merely radio waves.

well there you go.


Quoting moraldilemma:
Tesla tried to make electricity fly through the air in the early 1900s but he couldn't make it work.

I think you'll find he could, a Mr Marconi had the odd success with in similar areas too.


Quoting moraldilemma:
No one has been able to make electricity fly through the air - ever.

so wireless doesn't exist then? Spark plugs are just an elaborate hoax?


Quoting moraldilemma:
And my phone works perfectly well in my car

Is tha an industry standard "perfectly well" or just one agreed to some mates at indoor cricket?


Quoting moraldilemma:
and there is a huge market for "such practicality"

There is clearly a huge market for bling but don't ever confuse that with practicality.
Practicality would dictate a good in-car phone environment.

- Charged the phone
- held the phone securely in a visible position
- Allowed the phone display to be read directly or relayed through a vehicle screen
- provided an effective external antenna to compensate for the Faraday cage effect of a vehicle body.
- Allowed connection for as large a range of phones, iphones, ipods etc.

But if your idea of "perfectly well" and "practical" can accommodate curly cords and suction cups, cigar lighter adaptors and a handset usually wedged in a cup-holder, then I wish you many hours of joyous low expectations.



Quoting moraldilemma:
And is 'interoperability' even a word?

    Yes!





25 July 2008, 11:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bollx (New user):

Buying Apple makes me feel dirty. Even reading this article means I have to take a shower. I know it's our little secret, but please stop it. Apple is for people who dress like the Wiggles, like to smirk a lot, pass the Vaseline and pretend they're enjoying it. Not really that special. 2 innovations in 30 years- buy GUI from Xerox in 1981, make Ipod 2001- 10th similar product but slightly better software and marketing- wow what creativity. Ipod can't even bookmark more than one audiobook at a time, woof. Let's get over it. Don't discuss the iphone it only encourages them.

25 July 2008, 9:42 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William151515 (User):

Dan Warne

why bother censoring words?

APC already writes articles about porn and stuff

so why bother blocking out swear words?

if its to protect children, most of them already know swear words, and are saying them when unsupervised - plus APC as i said, already writes news about HD Sex, porn etc right on their home page, so that excuse is out

and its not like we are not going to know that your trying to say
F$#%ing(EDIT: ah i see you have a system that changes the sware words to something else a bit kinder) when you only cut out a few letters and go F$#%ing
a better attempt would be to go *beeping*

but yea whats the point?

but as i said, whats the point?

26 July 2008, 3:58 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bollx (New user):

APCMAG used to stand for Australian PC magazine. Not Australian Mac Mag. This is proof that Apple's tech heads are just as bad as the usual moronic geeks the other firms use. Losers. Ha ha ha ha.

26 July 2008, 10:23 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William151515 (User):

you also forgot about linux fanboys, APC are just full of Mac and Linux fanboys now, its getting rather old, i think i might look for another Magazine to buy, coz i have to put up with reading that Microsoft suck blah blah blah all they ever say and its not true, so goodbye APC, and their home webpage just steals news from slashdot so there is little point at visiting this home page might as well just use slashdot as my news

28 July 2008, 7:47 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

If you are serious:
A) You didn't read this article.
B) APC's print version is at worst even on articles relating to Windows and Linux. Apple gets a bit less attention than that.
C) Slashdot for a more balanced set of news? WTF? You couldn't get a bigger set of Open Source vs MS fanbois anywhere on the net.

28 July 2008, 9:23 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting William151515:
i think i might look for another Magazine to buy,


That's it William, You stand up and show the value of your $9.80 p/m of purchasing power!!! Your clearly not to be trifled with and I'm sure you can find a publication with it's pornographic Titles uncensored. They may even have a web-site.

28 July 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tiger Beer (New user):

I wish they'd stop changing this kind of stuff - it would mean that I wouldn't have to trek over to my in-laws whenever they get a new gadget that doesn't work with their old stuff

26 July 2008, 8:40 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wazza (User):

Amen to that friend

26 July 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wylie Edwards (New user):

I had the same problem with the pioneer car stereo with dock connector. There are 2 things that need to be done for it to work - you must do this BEFORE you connect it.

1. Make sure your ipod/iphone is not locked (i.e. enter the pin if it auto locks.
2. Select music and make sure you see artists in the list.

Then connect to the dock connector and it will work fine.

Befre I figured this out, I either got a "ready" message with no music playing, or "Error" on my stereo's display.

28 July 2008, 12:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (Regular user):

Sure it would be great if connectors stayed the same forever but they never do (for reasons of improvement, cost or both). Then again surely the speakers are made to work with the players released at the time. No manufacturer (Apple included) guarantees future compatibility (even for the next generation of product/iPod). So if a new iPod is released, you buy it and it works with your old kit be thankful otherwise expect the possibility that you may need to upgrade your kit at the same time.

04 August 2008, 6:41 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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