Apple threatens resellers: don't talk about iPhone

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Dan Warne29 November 2007, 1:45 AM

Staff at an Apple reseller have been told they will lose their jobs if they discuss the iPhone with customers -- even outside business hours.


Apple has threatened its "Premium Resellers" with losing their accreditation if they speak to customers about the iPhone, which is not yet officially available in Australia.

"Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE is anyone to offer any form of support to customers for the iPhone, either inside or outside of business hours," one reseller told its staff in an email.

"Doing so is in breach of our Apple Premium Reseller agreement.

The reseller said staff could be subjected to disciplinary action "including termination" if they helped a customer with an iPhone, even in their private time.

Apple Australia did not deny it had threatened resellers with retaliation if they helped customers with iPhones.

Spokesperson Fiona Martin said, "As with any concerns that users have with Apple products we recommend they contact us directly on 133 622 for resolution. This holds true for iPhone issues which we are able to re-route support needs to their country of origin should they have support needs whilst travelling with their iPhone."

APC queried why it was necessary to exclude resellers from helping customers if they were able to, and Martin responded, "The iPhone does not have telecommunications certification in Australia at this time. Until certification is granted support must be handled by the country of origin."

Despite Apple Australia's official explanation, the real reason resellers are being banned from helping customers with iPhones is more likely to do with the difficulty Apple is having in stopping iPhones being sold to unlockers and used freely on any network.

The company is engaged in a cat-and-mouse battle with hackers, made harder by the fact that unlocking has become a thriving black-market business for mobile phone shops and electronics retailers.

Apple's latest move against accredited retailers is probably an attempt to ensure they don't do anything to help customers unlock their iPhones. Each unlocked iPhone deprives Apple of hundreds of dollars of extra profit, in the form of kickbacks from their official telco partners when a customer activates a mobile contract.


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tin:

Even in their own time? Sure... Whatever Apple.
Last time I checked, you can do whatever you want in your own time, so long as it's not breaking any actual laws.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousa:

i worked in superannuation not so long ago, legally i couldn't give any finnancial advice, even in my own time.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SE:

In order to provide financial advice one has to be accredited and this is governed at the Federal level. There are clear guidelines with regard to providing such advice.

No one needs to be accredited to provide iPhone support/advice and Apple is just being a big bad bully.

As an Apple reseller ourselves, we have sold hundreds of iPhones to our own customers as well as to their families and friends. What Apple seems to forget is that consumers have a direct relationship with their reseller first and Apple...well...a distant second.

We provide full support for the iPhones we sell as well as unlocking services for phones purchased elsewhere. At the end of the day no one cares about Apple. Customers want a particular product and it just so happens that Apple is the one that has it. However, it might as well have a Kia badge.

Every buyer knows that the iPhone is not officially released here. What matters is the knowledge that by buying from an established reseller and not off eBay for example, one will have piece of mind as well as after sales support not available elsewhere.

Apple, good luck in enforcing your threat. You DO NOT own us.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mr vimes:

That's different, I think. There are things like insider trading to be considered when you work in the finance industry.

In the given case, what I do in my private time is of absolutely no interest to my employer. No laws are broken, no one is hurt. I'd like to see that matter in court.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous5456:

kickbacks....we all need kickbacks

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Theo:

Termination for talking to helping a client, even outside business hours. I'd like to see that one stand up in court. America home of the free huh?

Raspberries to Apple. Outrageous.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous8765421800764:

I don't know about other states, but I live in Texas and it is a "RIGHT to work state" which means an employer can terminate you at any time for whatever reason. Last I checked, you can only sue an employer for wrongful termination, i.e., race, religion, sex, (also known as a "protected class").

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous88883737229:

Great name for a law! Orwell would be proud.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

Share the love Apple. You don't need to make those extra hundreds of millions of dollars. Share it around to the people promoting your business through the excitement of buying on the black market.

I bought an iPhone for about AU$500 and I love it so much I'm now buying a Macbook Pro. See, it pays off.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

RobertC:

And people complain about Microsoft's treatment of customers and resellers....

Apple can't get more draconian even if they tried. Where do they get off on such dictatorial control over clients. Absurd.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Angus:

Telecommunications certification is a very serious business in any country. Perhaps Apple could get in a lot of expensive trouble if it was seen to be officially supporting the use of an unapproved device in Australia. And it seems pretty reasonable that anything you do in your own time that could have legal repercussions for your employer is their business too.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anon:

Yeah, great. So if I am a business traveller with an iPhone, I cannot get support? Or only in Europe/US, whereever I come from? Great. That's only about 6-10 hours time difference. Fat chance of getting quick support there. Apple needs to do a reality check, this is a global marketplace and has been for some years. Duh.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jon:

I love how the article says, quote:

"unlocking has become a thriving black-market business for mobile phone shops and electronics retailers"

No, it's not a black market, it's not evading taxation and it's not illegal.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

LL:

Apple, we all know that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Again we see Apple playing the American imperialist.

Organisations like yours do nothing to improve the image of a sadly, badly, damaged perception marching across the world in arrogance and hubris and making up the rules to suit yourselves as you go.

What is the perception? Petty, anally retentive, bullying, righteous, greedy, thuggish. Utterly obnoxious.

Think on it Apple. You damage yourselves and you damage a great nation at the same time.



29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dragonmeister:

Good on ya Apple ...
Soon you'll be as popular as well respected as Microsoft !!!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous56767434267:

i was in the MacCentric chatswood store the other day and i herd two of the staff going ;
staff 1 :look at this,its great got it last week,.
staff 2 : i have one but iam not sure about unlocking it
staff 1: its really easy when we close i can do it.

they are not aloud to help customers but they seem to be helping another.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul:

Apple isn't the one telling employees that they can't help users outside their work time. Its the reseller that is doing that.

All Apple has said to their reseller is, if you help people with the iphone in Australia, then you voilate our contract and we can terminate our relationship with you. What's wrong with that.

You may not like it, but its perfectly within Apple's legal right to do so. Microsoft on the other hand told its resellers if you offer another OS then we will not give you the discounts and that is illegal. Apple is not doing that, its not saying if you sell a Nokia phone we won't give you the iPhone to sell.



29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dragonmeister:

That's right ...
Apple is irreproachable and Microsoft is evil.
Geez !!! I cannot believe how much the Mac fanboys defend this company. Here is the real picture .. Apple is out to make as much money as it can, just like Microsoft and every other business. They don't give a hoot about YOU personally. So stop taking every criticism so personally !!!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mfdk:

I couldn't put it any better, spot on mate. Apple its the new bloody religion or at least that's how mac fanboyizim is making it look like. Praise the whole Apple and its god Steve Jokes. hehe

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Marc Lucke:

only people that can't afford a Mac would say that ;P

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Marc Lucke:

I won't be buying an iPhone for a long time.

(1) never buy version 1 of anything - never. Next model will do twice as much, last twice as long and be half the price.
(2) iPhones are 2.5G, not 3G. I like video calls.
(3) don't want to be locked into a provider. I want choice.
(4) I wish something could smack Apple in the side of the head and get them to wake up to the idea that perhaps they should launch product worldwide simultaneously (shock, horror). Duh.

The iPhone is a nice looking toy.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Comment Guy:

Exactly what you shouldn't do if you don't like the limitations. DON'T BUY THE PRODUCT.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Comment Guy:

As dubious as Apple's "official explanation" sounds, I think they're just trying to protect their profit margin (isn't this what any thriving business would do?). If the consumers seeking assistance with their iPhone from resellers really mean they want the device unlocked, then Apple has every right to set the terms they feel necessary with reseller agreements to at least try and prevent any negative impact to their business. That's also why its called an "Agreement", Apple sets the terms and conditions and the reseller can choose to "Agree" with them or not. I believe Apple is just trying to protect their business from those trying to get a piece of the (profit) pie. Good for the smart cookies that can unlock the phone, but aren't consumers having their iPhones unlocked really allowing other telcos to steal from Apple? Sounds self-righteous I know, but it is what it is.

This comment may seem pro-Apple (it is) but I'm not an Apple employee or an affiliate (just a product user). I would post the same comment if it was any other company (inc. Microsoft) put on the spot. - Anonymous.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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