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Angus Kidman18 January 2008, 8:07 AM

The planned January 28 closure of the regional CDMA mobile network has been deferred until April 28, offering signal-starved rural phone users a temporary reprieve and delivering Telstra its first governmental bitch slap for 2008.


The planned January 28 closure of the regional CDMA mobile network has been deferred until April 28, offering signal-starved rural phone users a temporary reprieve and delivering Telstra its first governmental bitch slap for 2008.

Despite expensive research claiming that Next G offers better coverage than the older CDMA network and a frenzied pre-Christmas sales push for rural users, a report by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) found that there was not absolute network equivalence and that Telstra hadn't taken sufficient steps to help customers make the transition.

"I have notified Telstra today that at this point in time I am not in a position to declare equivalence between the Next G network and the CDMA networks," Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said in a statement.

Telstra has a fortnight to deliver a comprehensive report on how the April 28 deadline, itself a Telstra suggestion, can be met. Actions it needs to undertake include a certification program for its resellers and offering advice to existing Next G customers who are unhappy with the service.

"I have made it clear to Telstra that it should continue to do everything possible to ensure that customers are using the correct Next G equipment," Conroy said. "This should include replacing handsets at no financial penalty in genuine cases." A phone line to report Next G issues is also scheduled to be set up.

Regional users have complained that areas with CDMA signal lack sufficient Next G coverage to make voice calls. Others say they have been sold the wrong handsets or equipment by Telstra staff, or complained about the higher costs of the service. Last month, the ACCC won a court case taken out against Telstra for deceptive Next G advertising.

This writer's own experience bears out the importance of equipment choice. On a recent trip to a farm on the NSW North Coast, a Next G USB modem worked seamlessly, but a PC Card designed for Next G only offered intermittent connections and absolutely refused to work indoors. Telstra advises the use of an external aerial in remote areas.

The telco giant appears to have begrudgingly accepted the decision. "We have been on a path to resolve customer issues by 28 January and we were confident we would meet our deadline," Telstra Country Wide managing director Geoff Booth said in a statement.

"The Minister has made a different assessment but we are very pleased that he has given us a clear goal for closure, a process to get there, and a clear message to CDMA customers that they need to move quickly."

Telstra group manager director for public policy and communications Phil Burgess added, in an uncharacteristically diplomatic fashion: "We are also pleased that the Minister has provided clear direction to Telstra and to consumers about how to proceed to make sure this transition is completed: Telstra has to fix remaining problems and consumers have to make the transition." (But we read between the lines -- in other words: buy some better handsets, or else, proles.)

Telstra's mania for secrecy, evident in the ACCC case where it asked for some information submitted in evidence to be blocked from public release, continues. Parts of the ACMA report have similarly been blacked out as "commercial in confidence", including details of which handsets don't work well on Next G. How Telstra expects to keep that information secret while ensuring a smooth transition for customers has not yet been made clear.


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tin:

As a country resident, this is fantastic news.
I'm yet to hear a local tell a good story about their NextG experience (other than someone amazed at the fact "the internet is on their phone").

I wonder if this kick up the arse is a sign of things to come for us "working families" from our "new leadership".

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DAC:

I agree with you: NextG ARE evil! Telstra, in general, ARE evil!

My grandparents were happily chugging away on CDMA, when, they were switched to NextG. They recieved two of the ZTE phones (aka El Crapola phones). My grandmthers phone had to be sent back twice to get fixed. In the end, it turned out that they were put on a contract and were never told about it - Telstra, in their ineptitude, stupidity and/or sneakyness could have had a huge lawsuit on their hands: this happened to several other people as well, apparently. So, $1000 later for two new phones, and new charges keep appearing on their bills for extra things (such as Foxtel Mobile: watch 5 minutes of a show, oh, goody(!): get an IQ or MyStar an record the entire thing and watch it later!) And they are STILL not happy with them!

They said o me that if they had known all o this, they would have given Telstra the flick, because Optus also provide to where they live (South Eastern South Austrlia), which, frankly, would have been a cheaper and better option!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael Kean:

I recently did a test with two handsets, and found that the cheaper ZTE F252 actually had far less 'missed calls' than an LG TU500 when tested side by side in a trouser pocket on the edge of a coverage area. (This was with both handsets set to auto 2g/3g in a 3g only area.) I would love to know what the blacked out research showed!

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydneyla@bigpond.com:

Can only smile at your "beat-up" story on the CDMA closure. Sad really because your bias shows and does no credit to your objective journalistic abilities.

As a Telstra supporter I found the Senator Conroy advice helpful and sensible. Congratulations Senator Conroy for your complementary words to Telstra it is a breath of fresh air after years of Howard and Coonan abuse.

What this episode does demonstrate is the danger for Opel when (if)they roll-out their old fashioned and outdated proposal.
The Australian customer will cut them to pieces and an Opel rethink may be in order.

With the Rudd Government and a sensible and fair Senator Conroy in control Australians may at last see a fair go for Telstra.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

More typical APC sensationalism, stirring up the red neck HH's (Hel$tra Haters)! Bitch slap? But intrinsically, Telstra's NextG technology can't be all that bad, can it APC? FYI -

APC Internet Technology of the Year Award 2007 - Presented by Australian Personal Computer Magazine, Sydney, 21 March 2007

• Internet Technology of the Year – BigPond Next G™ Wireless Broadband
• Best Wireless Broadband –BigPond Next G™ Wireless Broadband.

Obviously someone else needs a good bitch slap too! Bad luck APC - LOL!






29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

You'll note that was best wireless broadband, not best mobile network for voice telephony. 

Besides, Next G is undoubtedly the best network for overall breadth coverage, but that doesn't mean it provides coverage equivalence to all parts of the CDMA network, nor that people's phones necessarily work as well on Next G as they did on CDMA.

And finally, we weren't reporting our own views here, but simply the government's announcement on the matter.  



29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Yes Dan, Telstra won best wireless broadband not telephony, that's why I intentionally included the word intrinsically! So as to suggest NextG as a whole/complete network is inherently successful, rather than differentiating between the separate areas, within NextG. As such I was simply suggesting by highlighting APC/your own awards won by the ogre that is Hel$tra (that must have really hurt - LOL), there is no reason to doubt the telephony side will be as equally successful come April! Obviously my intended meaning was lost in translation or has gone over some people heads? Anyway... in regards to you denying "we weren't reporting our own views" - BS. Firstly I don't seem to recall any mention of Stephen Conroy saying "here Telsra, take this bitch slap", so this is in fact Angus' own personal view of the situation and a typical APC anti-Telstra gibe, not part of the governement announcement at all. If you guys weren't so shamelessly biased, it could have been reported much more eloquently??? Angus also mentions "the telco giant appears to have begrudgingly accepted the decision"? From everything I have read, it seems Telstra have accepted it willingly not begrudgingly and are getting on with having NextG ready for April, so again another personal view. And finally he says "Telstra group manager director for public policy and communications Phil Burgess added, in an uncharacteristically diplomatic fashion"... Funny isn't it? When Telstra fight the government they are "out of control Telstra, who need to be taught a lesson" and now that they are seemingly trying their best to work with the government they are automatically "begrudgingly and uncharcteristic" - seems no matter what Telstra do they will always be Hel$tra to APC and your mindless devotees!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Well, I guess Telstra will always have its "Telstra Active Supporters" base with its mindless devotees too. 

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Yes they will, whilst ever there is disgracefully biased journalists out there. Know any?

And why is it you, the unbiased bringer of information, only seem to reply (and usually negatively or defensively ) to the pro-Telstra comments? I rest my case.

However Dan, although we certainly have differing views, I do thank you/APC for the opportunity to comment, as some of your contemporaries have refused to publish my pro-Telstra comments, which only infuriates one further - cheers and all the best.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydney Lawrence:

When the ACCC castigated Telstra for false advertising all hell broke loose in the media. Now we see Crazy John is targeted by the ACCC what do we see, silence. Strange that. Please Mr Warne do not show your ignorance and your bias so obviously and publicly with your childish attack on Telstra Active Supporters. That's what John Howard did.


29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

On the contrary I was planning to do a story on Crazy John's ACCC action, but it didn't really suit APC as a story because we're a internet & computing publication, not a telephony one. We do cover telephony as it relates to VoIP, packaged internet plans and so on, but Crazy John's mobile charges don't really suit a computing publication news-wise.

Telstra's Next G network is different, because it is also a primary internet medium for Australia, so coverage is an important issue. 

Telstra's volunteer lobbyists can invent conspiracy theories with the best of them, but the reality is we cover false advertising issues across all the companies as long as it meets our basic news criteria (e.g. is of interest to our readership).



29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Hello Sydney. Funny you should mention this! Like Crazy John's, iiNet also say "we built our own network"? From my understanding (and I may be wrong and will certainly admit so, if corrected) what they did was install a few DSLAMS into Telstra exchanges, which connect to Telstra's network and then claim to have built their own networks. Nice! Another interseting one! A full page advertisement in NRMA's Open Road, from Primus who claim "the speed you need with a huge 5GB download". Hmmm, going by the actual words, how can they know the speed you, me or the computer programer next door need? Also, claiming 5GB to be huge? I'm sure even our friend Dan would argue that 5GB is anything but huge? Anyway, as long as it's not Telstra it's apparently ok for the others to say whatever they like - LOL!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Bell:

Of course Tel$tra accepted the decision begrudgingly! Don't you remember the tantrum Sol and his slobbering sidekick Phil threw just a few months ago when the previous government threw conditions on the CDMA network's closure? According to them back then the NextG coverage was already better than CDMA's; however a third of surveyed customers didn't appear to agree :)



29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydney Lawrence:

James Bell you are to be condemned and chastised for your unbelievable childish, dishonest and sickening expression of opinion concerning the CDMA closure.

The gentlemanly and business like actions
of Senator Conroy and Telstra are to be admired. You demonstrate the actions of a bitter and twisted person not capable of sensible debate and reasoned discussion.

I do not wish to be insulting but please reflect on your insulting article and realise you gain nothing by your attitude.
Bouquets to APC and Dan Warne for allowing open opinion expressed and an understanding of its importance in our Australian society.


29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Give it a rest Sydney!

It is hypocrisy in the extreme for you a regular Telstra lobbyist and parrot to be condemning others for an opinion.

As someone playing a regular part in the NWAT media machine you are in no place comment on what is sensible and reasoned discussion.

Your wish to peddle miss-information as truth is far more insulting than any personal opinion that is expressed here in a free and open forum.

No matter what spin you put on it Telstra's behaviour regarding CDMA has been reprehensible.

Even yesterday (20/1/08) Telstra advertising on South Coast NSW radio was coercing customers that they must migrate their CDMA connections by January 28th. That is nothing short of fraud given the recent government announcements.

Please get your own affairs in order before making personal attacks on others!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Bell:

Sydney,

In typical behaviour of the company you so actively promote if you see something you don’t like you go low enough to throw insults and distort the facts.

Fact 1: Telstra was extremely angry when the previous government placed conditions on the closure of the CDMA network.

Fact 2: Telstra made claims about NextG which the recent ACMA report has proven to be false.

Fact 3: A survey which went out to 1200 farmers showed approximately one third were dissatisfied with the level of coverage NextG provided and believed it to be inferior to that of the current CDMA network.

It’s interesting yet scary how Telstra have “welcomed” Conroy’s decision; a decision they were so against even being considered only a matter of weeks ago. If I were a betting man I’d be placing money on this warm and fuzzy tactic Telstra have suddenly employed not lasting much longer… unless they’ve suddenly seen the light and realised their previous behaviour was getting them nowhere.



29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydney Lawrence:

James, your comments are noted and it was not my intention, or desire, to throw insults or distort facts, but, as I am sure you will agree, my response was in answer to your quote "Sol and his slobbering sidekick Phil" which to me was a barb that was unnecessary, hurtful and childishly dishonest in the extreme.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Daniel Clarkson:

It's all well and good to quote that Telstra's BigPond Wireless Broadband on the NextG network won Internet Technology of the Year at APC's Internet Technology Awards, but at the same time, I would suggest that you remember it is not APC magazine that chose that. It was the READERS of APC that made that determination, and that was the only category that Telstra won. It was in the Mobile Network category, and if you have the May 2007 issue, you can find the information on page 90.

So, I think that your bias is showing for everyone to see, so good luck in your attempt to get everyone else to agree with you, because I think that you will need it.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bill:

Shocking reporting
"I have notified Telstra today that at this point in time I am not in a position to declare equivalence between the Next G network and the CDMA networks," Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Senator Stephen Conroy said in a statement


That what the minister said meaning if it wasnt for the handsets CDMA would have been turned off and approved by the government.


Apc needs to do something with reporters like this, or something needs to be do to APC

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Yes, the handsets are part of the issue. But they are a required part of the network too, or it would be pointless.

It's Telstra's fault. Telstra chose to use a non-standard frequency thus limiting handset choice.

They also chose to replace CDMA with "NextG", when the "NextG" network is a GSM compatible one, not a CDMA one. Wouldn't the sensible thing have been to keep CDMA and extend the GSM network to support HSDPA?

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul Jones:

Um... a handset IS part of the network!!! Customers should be sold a service that just works, they shouldn't need to be network engineers to get the most from it. Premium prices for a premium product remember?

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ric:

I agree with Bill that this is simply dreadful reporting.
One constructive note is the diplomatic wording of the decision and the Telstra response. This Minister is capable of being firm while showing Telstra some respect.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rod:

Here we go again another bashing to Telstra from APC just look at the title give telstra a break and let them finish the great network they have created pick on Optus they have a great optic network but they don't know how to use it and will never use it cause they don't have the knowledge and experience that Telstra does or else they wouldn't be using Telstra to piggy back on there network.
Good for the Goverment and for Telstra finally some sense into all of this crap.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kris:

Rod - You obviously have no idea what your saying. Clearly you have no understanding how the communications industry works therefore you place the blame game on 2nd tier networks.

Telstra ( Telecom Australia) firstly 'own' the infrastructure's in this country, therefore optus cant just come by and add new towers where ever they please.

There is so many more avenues that optus undertake to do a better job then tel$tra would ever do.

If telstra had the 'monopoly' in this country - i would leave this country and live abroad.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Kris, imho it is you who doesn’t know or comprehend the communications industry, especially in comparison to universally recognized business practices. It’s very simple to isolate one industry (telecoms) and then one part within this industry (copper network/ULL) to mount your so called monopoly argument, but there’s more to Australian telecommunications than just ULL. Unless things have changed, and if so I will humbly stand corrected, but you do realize we have 2 major satellites, Optus and IPSTAR (Thiacom iv). FYI - apparently ETT Ltd has just signed on as major regional broadband supplier, via IPSTAR ! However, both satellites are primarily owned by the Singapore government’s holding company Tamasek, anyway? Then we have two sub-sea cables, Southern Cross Cable Network, which is an independent entity owned by Telecom NZ (50%), C&W Optus (40%) and MCI WorldCom (10%)” and the Australia Japan Cable, a joint venture of five international carriers, Telstra, Verizon, Concert, Softbank Telecom and NTTCom! Add to this OPEL - $1b grant to Optus/Elders, Optus’ plan to switch on a new HSPA – Turbo G mobile network, the fact Optus already own Virgin (yes they want us to think it belongs to a rich eccentric English gent) and a FTTN proposal by the G9, whose major player is Optus, which sneakily and disgracefully proposes to forcibly access Telstra’s bought and paid for network, and Optus will be, if they aren’t already, more of a monopoly in Australia than Australia’s own Telstra could ever be. BTW - Telstra shareholders (not Telecom Australia) own the copper network, it was sold by the elected government of the time, for reportedly many times more than it cost! But regardless of this, pricing is still artificially controlled by the ACCC. So whilst ever the ACCC encourage cherry-picking, by ever decreasing regulatory pricing of both (Telstra’s) wholesale products and ULL, investment will be minimal - this is commonsense. Conversely, in the ‘non-regulated’ mobile sector, we currently have 3, Optus, Vodafone, Telstra etc, all feverishly investing to capture market share and as a consequence prices are tumbling – this is what “true competition” is and how we the customers benefit. So mate seems like you will never have to emigrate, unless you have a serious revaluation of where Oz telecoms actually stands, and then wish to move because there is no longer a Telstra to reign in Optus! Sources: southerncrosscables.com, acma.gov.au and iTnews.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick Gordon:

SJT, Either you are a Telstra employee, share holder or have some strange grudge against competition, but whichever of the three categories you fit in I suggest you save this sort of rehtoric for the 'Now We Are Talking Rubbish' forum.

Yes Telstra may have been sold, but it was also sold on the condition of a declared PSTN that all competitors would have access to. Share holders purchased Telstra with these arrangements in place and while you also mention the ACCC are decreasing the access prices Telstra charge you fail to draw attention to the fact that Telstra are still reporting gigantic margins on this infrastructure in their financial results. You mention Optus and other competitors cherry pick where they want to provide services, but neglect the fact that this is exactly what Telstra also do in terms of providing services on their own network.

In relation to Opel receiving government funding this was necessary in order to provide fast AND affordabe broadband to Australians. WiMax is the future of wireless broadband and is extremely well suited to the Australian terrain. It is superior in many regards (from a broadband perspective) to HSDPA and in addition to this Opel, unlike Telstra will operate only as a wholesale provider providing many Australians with not only affordable broadband for the first time, but a choice in who they go with.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brent:

In relation to your commment 'WiMax is the future of wireless broadband and is extremely well suited to the Australian terrain.' You serioulsy must be joking. I suggest you do a little resarch on wireless data networks around the world (and in Australia), and see what you learn. WiMax has great limitations, and is not 'next generation' technology in any shape, way or form. Btw, what have we heard from Opel since it was given the funding??..Hmmm. So much for your comment on 'fast' broadband to Australia, Telstra already has it.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Rick FYI – you accuse me of this or that, but you still shortsightedly, only focus on ULL – WHAT ABOUT THE REST? You also say, leave this for the now we are talking rubbish forum. Why, is this forum strictly for Hel$tra Haters, like you only – my apologies for interjecting and spoiling the party! But yet in no way did you disprove my argument – the satellites are primarily owned by Singapore’s Temasek, aren’t they? The cables are owned by many companies with Telstra having a mere 20% ownership of one cable, don’t they? And yet you still dwell on ULL, typical! FYI- I am not a Telstra employee nor am I related to or even know a Telstra employee; I do have a very small parcel of T3 shares which I purchased after being an unhappy client of Optus, Ozemail/iiNet, B Digital/Soul and returning to Telstra because of these competitors’s hopeless and deplorable service – big deal! So obviously I am not strangely against competition, I have been actively involved in competition, it’s just that the competition sux! I certainly have no grudge against “true unregulated competition” – if you care to actually read my posting, whereby I mention the non-regulated areas of telecoms, you will note I am all for “real, true competition” not this artificial subsidization you call competition! But regardless, do you believe that I, as a “very small T3 shareholder” should not be allowed an opinion? Because I have a few T3 shares, should I be gagged? We live in a democratic society do we not? Now to turn the tables, are you an employee and/or shareholder of Optus or one of the other competitors? If so, so what who cares, you are entitled to your opinion and as such I will read, welcome and respect your opinion, even if I do not agree with it. This seems to be the major difference between those who support Telstra and those who trash Hel$tra. I accept your opinion, but you do not accept mine! Anyway… As for OPEL you must be kidding my friend – FAST - LOL! It has taken them over 6 months and absolutely nothing has occurred. They initially didn’t have a suitable WiMAX spectrum and experts like George Fong and WiMAX day harshly criticized them for such (only now have they just bought a suitable spectrum). They do not, or recently didn’t, have a CEO or CFO. Because of their “loose ends” they still haven’t received the funding. Optus’ GM of Tech Peter Ferris, admitted “OPEL doesn’t even exist, it’s just a trademark” and the clincher – then shadow minister Conroy, now Minister Conroy described OPEL as a dog of a product. But because they will "theoretically" save “YOU” a few cents please dream on about how wonderful “one day” OPEL will be, e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y - LOL!

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Bell:

SJT you write so much yet provide so little (in substance). You preach about other companies holding monopolies/duopolies in markets that are quite unrelated to the topic of this article. If you can explain to me how Singapore companies owning a handful of satellites are preventing us from having affordable broadband then that may be relevant, but it’s not the case. Please by all means post your opinions, but try to not waffle on so much and keep your arguments related to the discussion. As per Rick’s comments the PSTN is at the heart of the broadband debate as access to it at affordable prices is what competition depends on. If Telstra were allowed to create an FTTN on their terms then we’d no longer have competition and actually be paying more for a slower (yes I said slower) service than what we currently receive today.

People love to use the argument that mobile market is less regulated and competition there has flourished, but the key difference between mobile and fixed infrastructure (aside from cost) is all companies here started off on equal terms and weren’t forced to buy services off a company that will try every trick in the book to make them go under. Thank heavens we have the ACCC to protect us consumers and hopefully one day Telstra will be split to separate wholesale from retail.

In relation to Opel just because you haven’t heard any big media announcements since the last election it doesn’t mean a lot of work isn’t going on behind the scenes. I suggest you wait before attempting to make a mockery of something that offers nothing but benefits to consumers.


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SJT:

James, thank you so much for enlightening us all and especially for personally blessing lil’ ol’ me with your pearls of wisdom – I’m obviously most privileged! But if you cared to read and actually comprehend previous comments, instead of babbling on T4 style, you would note my monopoly comment was in reply to a gentleman who mentioned monopoly, hence the topic. That's why there’s a reply link! Now for all the dummies, obviously the Singapore government - who are pretty much Optus, owning the satellites, a major part of one of the main cables, Virgin, the non existent OPEL/G9 etc, i.e. more than Telstra owns - obviously puts paid to the baseless Telstra monopoly theory once and for all. Obvious to all but the most ardent Hel$tra Hater that is, of course? Say what you will about PSTN, it’s “only one part of telecommunications” – admit it! It may be the heart of “your” telecoms debate, that’s simply because you are desperately trying to cling to leeching off Telstra at all costs! Why do I say this? Your comment… “In relation to Opel just because you haven’t heard any big media announcements since the last election it doesn’t mean a lot of work isn’t going on behind the scenes. I suggest you wait before attempting to make a mockery of something that offers nothing but benefits to consumers”... As such, you are obviously involved with Telstra’s competitors as you “definitely” are privy to information that even “Optus’ General Manager of Technology – the one who admitted OPEL are non-existent”, is not aware of! If not, well, you are simply talking through your backside, whilst having your fingers crossed. In relation to the mobile sector and thriving competition – yes they did all start on a level playing field – i.e. the competitors have not been able to simply sponge from Telstra to make easy profits and have had to actually invest, hence the thriving competition – so kudos to all companies involved for doing so, as it proves this is the right way to conduct business. Finally, you are indeed a very funny man James! That’s very humorous (or unfortunate) wording in relation to non-existent OPEL …“I SUGGEST YOU WAIT”… mate, that’s exactly what we have been, are and will be doing!!! As I already said, the non existent OPEL will be wonderful e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y! – LMFAO.

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James Bell:

This company you speak of that apparently own more than Telstra is 1/7th its size. You can throw in satellites, an undersea cable, a virtual mobile service provider, and fries with that but no matter how you put it Optus is still dwarfed in comparison to the giant. The reason the PSTN is a key discussion point and will continue to be so in the months ahead is because the PSTN has the potential to make or break consumers having access to fast and affordable broadband (at least from a fixed perspective).

And no unfortunately I'm not privy to any information that's not already available to you; however since you obviously lack the ability to do research I've suggested you just wait. If you had looked a little harder you would have seen that SingTel announced in their 2nd quarter results that Optus already have over 80 full-time staff working on the network planning of the Opel project, or that the group's business plan was handed to Conroy just a few weeks ago for review. LMFAO


29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Telstra's publicity department (and hence Telstra "active supporters") all like to lump Optus in with Singtel and all its associated companies in order to create the argument that Telstra is not the 600 pound gorilla in the room, but instead a little ozzie battler being slapped around by the big bad Asian telco. 

Of course, this is a complete nonsense because Optus does not have access to all of Singtel's capital, and it's only Optus that competes directly against Telstra -- not Singtel.

But Telstra PR never lets fact get in the way of a good spin.  



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SJT:

Dan! As usual your lack of impartiality and non-existent (hey just like OPEL) journalistic integrity shines through. But thanks for the info, as here I was thinking Telstra were an 800lb gorilla. Seems all that leeching by the "battlers" (sic), has taken it's 200lb toll! Fancy Mr. Warne talking about spin!

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Mate, no disrespect intended and all snide remarks aside, but imho this is the same old tired rhetoric, I’ve heard before. However, unlike some, who seemingly would like to see Telstra brought to their knees for no other reason other than they are "big”, i.e. “tall poppy syndrome" – both you and Dan demonstrate this mentality in your last replies - giant according to you and 600lb gorilla according to Dan, now that OPEL has been decided, I do not want them to fail! I would like to see success, for the very reason you mention - bringing broadband to those who do not currently have it (not to simply duplicate) and of course the fact that $1b of tax payers money has been promised, which could have been spent on hospitals, roads education etc. As such, I do not want to see this money wasted. However, unlike you who imo, is dreaming of greener pastures and hoping all will be ok, I have gathered info which says OPEL’s initial WiMAX plan didn’t really comply! So they were basically the lucky beneficiary of a desperate inactive government, who as a last ditch effort threw money at a problem, simply to be “seen as doing something”. Also according to many reports, OPEL still have many loose ends and there has been precious little progress, as the months tick by. So unless OPEL get their act together, we will be waiting for a very long time. Ignore this info if you will and concentrate on what may be instead of what currently is – but in the end we all want the same thing, value in telecommunications (which to some simply means cheapest and to others it means price + service = value). However, I simply believe the current ULL rules are not fair to Telstra, as 10 years of regulatory subsidization has brought little investment – simply, they got it wrong! So we need fairer rules, imho. Here’s a little question for you. Since NextG was funded by Telstra shareholders and OPEL is governmentally subsidized, should OPEL’s access be open to every competitor, at ever decreasing prices, regulated by the ACCC, for 10 years and beyond? Also, in this regard, here’s a link from economic gurus, which may be of interest? http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23081674-20501,00.html This will be my final comment on this matter. Cheers.



29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BrendanH:

Rick, OPEL is a dogs breakfast, not some god send rollout for the bush. OPEL haven't even started rolling anything out, and I wonder when the will. OPEL should have been used to rollout wireless broadband to where there is no coverage, but instead it is nearly all going to be rolled out in areas with existing broadband coverage. I pity the rural users who will again miss out due to poor government decisions.

And if WiMax is superior to HSPDA, why then are a majority of telco companies around the world selecting HSDPA?

The government also raised the OPEL funding from $600 million to nearly $1 billion without notifying any other bidders except Optus/Elders. I repeat no others, not just Telstra, but all other bidders.

As for NextG vs CDMA equivalence, CDMA has around 3800 towers, NextG has over 6000, so unless you are really bad at maths it should be obvious which would have the better coverage.

I think is it funny the people in the bush always complain about not getting the same services and the city, and now both city and country have the same network they whinge.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James Bell:

Brendan,

If you cared to read Rick’s wording he said WiMax is better in many regards from a BROADBAND perspective. HSDPA’s primary use around the world is voice and the reason it is widely in use is because it was the logical replacement to GSM, although yes it does also offer broadband potential as well. WiMax on the other hand is being rapidly deployed around the world to provide wireless broadband as it offers numerous advantages over HSDPA and the potential to eventually reach speeds in the vicinity of 1Gbps. Intel recently announced it would be incorporating WiMax with its new chipsets.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jason Torrento:

I think bitch slap isn't the best term for it.

I think a kick in the rear is the best term for it.

Hopefully this kick in the rear will sort out the teething issues with NextG (yes, Telstra are slow at teething).

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kim Davis:

It is comforting to see that Telstra has been told to put off the deadline while they sort out the comparative problems with reception.
I personally work at a major electrical chain which only deals with Telstra and am the only one that deals with mobile phone clients. We are in a regional area and I am consistently being abused by members of the general public over the poor peripheral reception of the NextG network. Most of our customers have been advised to get like for like handsets and such but this does not always work.
The worst problem we have found is that Telstra does not want to send anybody to train our staff on the use of their systems. Our official "Representative" is just told to ensure the merchandising is in place and to tell us about the deals on at the moment. No training has been given to our staff (including myself) by Telstra on the operation of their mobile connection interfaces and this has caused quite a few headaches for all involved (staff and customers). When our point of contact (our Rep) was asked about the possibility of training sessions, she replied that she had not been given any training in this area herself.
From what I can see, the best way to ensure the majority of customers are kept happy and ensure a smooth transition is to ensure that the people selling the phones and devices know what they are doing and not just stumbling through as best they can.
Hopefully this (training) will be one of the things which comes up in their todo list for finalising the transfer as a lot of customers are truly overwhelmed by the whole experience in the first place and don't need to have any more pressure put on them from transfers taking as long as an hour to get done.

BTW it is always nice to see reporters that have an opinion and are permitted to voice it. Surely it is better than just having the equivalent of a mindless drone of information.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stephen R:

This is a new Government & Minister telling Telstra that the Government is in charge here, and all that will happen is that Telstra will play along and close the CDMA network a little later... big deal, not impressed.

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