BigPond and Optus broadband slip on Vista

Dan Warne
07 February 2007, 5:56 AM


More driver woes for Vista users: this time it's lack of support for USB modems. BigPond is simply refusing to connect anyone using Vista to ADSL or Cable, and Optus admits it hasn't completed the work to fully support Vista yet.


Customers of the largest Australian internet providers face a wait of a month or more before they'll be able to easily connect PCs running Vista up to broadband.

The problem stems from the largest providers' use of cheap USB broadband modems rather than the marginally more expensive Ethernet ones that don't require drivers.

The drivers required for the USB modems aren't yet available from all modem manufacturers.

In fact, Telstra is refusing point-blank at this stage to connect new ADSL or Cable customers if they're running Vista.

An Optus customer service representative told APC it would not be able to connect Vista users to Optus broadband until 1st March.

Whirlpool.net.au News Editor Phil Sweeney said it was time for providers to stop using cheap USB modems and spend a couple of dollars more per modem for ethernet models.

"USB modems made more sense in the past when computers didn't have Ethernet ports built in, but these days they cause more problems with drivers than they're worth and they're generally considered to be less reliable," he said.

He advised broadband users to check if their USB modem had an Ethernet port on the back as well and use that instead. However, he conceded that people might not be able to get much help from Optus or Telstra in configuring the modems, as neither company provides tech support to Vista users yet.

"This happened with Windows 2000 as well, because it was so different from Windows 95/98," he said.

However, the problem this time round is compounded by the fact that most new computers being sold at retail now have Vista pre-loaded.

Microsoft's stance on the modem problem

A Microsoft Australia spokesperson said the lack of drivers for USB broadband modems wasn't its problem.

"Microsoft does not develop specific hardware drivers for broadband modem or other devices. This is the responsibility of the hardware vendor to develop the driver to meet new rules for device drivers in Windows Vista. Most companies are offering updated drivers via the vendor web site for download."

"Vista has been in development for more than 18 months and the public date for launch known for about 3 months previously. At launch more than 1.5M devices work with Windows Vista and more than 4,200 hardware and software products have been through the rigorous Windows Hardware Quality Lab and Windows software testing process and received either a Certified for Windows Vista or a Works with Windows," the company said.

Microsoft Australia could not immediately provide a list of USB modems that Vista supports in its shipping driverbase, but forwarded the enquiry to Microsoft USA for response.

What the ISPs are saying

Telstra BigPond has published an FAQ stating that it will not be able to connect new customers to ADSL or Cable if they are running Windows Vista on their computers.

"Whenever a new operating system is introduced, hardware upgrades are required across the board. The launch of Vista means ISPs worldwide will be beholden to their hardware/modem suppliers for Vista drivers," spokesperson Bronwyn Winley said.

"BigPond already supports current customers upgrading to Vista, and is progressively introducing drivers for new customers, with the BigPond Wireless Broadband Card already being supported. Current customers receive full technical support for Vista."

Translation: BigPond only has drivers for its wireless broadband card so far, and if you buy a new Vista computer and want to get ADSL or Cable connected, don't call Telstra.

OptusNet said it already supported six operating systems but "only recently learned that Vista brings with it some elements that require us to change our systems."

It is now "fast tracking" the training of staff to support Vista users and expects to have this completed in "coming months". The telco said it would work with customers on a case-by-case basis if they had problems with OptusNet and Vista.

APC has requested further information from Optus on whether the USB modems it has distributed to customers have Vista driver support but it refused.

Netspace Managing Director Stuart Marburg said his tech support team would start supporting Vista in coming weeks, but needed to make sure enough members of the helpdesk team were trained in Vista before officially supporting it. He said Netcomm had supplied Vista drivers for some of its newer modems -- NB5 and NB8W, but Marburg said he wanted the technical team to test the drivers further before officially supporting them.

iiNet said it had trained all of its senior tech support staff on Vista and put Vista machines into its call centres. However, it said ongoing training of all the rest of the tech support staff was ongoing, so it was possible that customers may initially reach someone not yet trained in supporting Vista. In such cases, the customer could generally be transferred on to a Vista specialist.

Internode said its long-standing policy of supporting any operating system that included TCP/IP holds true with Vista. "Internode as a matter of policy sells and prefers to support ethernet based modems for ADSL due to their demonstrated advantages in terms of compatibility and lack of USB driver issues," Internode Managing Director Simon Hackett told APC.

What the modem makers say about Vista compatibility

Linksys told APC it was planning to support Vista on "select" devices and it has published a list of models that are currently supported or have drivers "coming soon". An ominous footnote at the end of the page states "If your Linksys product does not appear on any of these three lists, there is no plan to support the product with Windows Vista."

Linksys models listed as having Vista drivers "coming soon" include AG241 and WAG54G.

Billion Australia said the company had only ever shipped a small quantity of one USB modem at the request of a particular ISP, preferring instead to sell Ethernet models that did not require drivers. He said Billion Electric in Taiwan had not announced plans for Vista driver support for this model, BiPAC 7001, at this stage.

Belkin modem product manager Anthony Malone said "Our F5D5730au v3000 has USB drivers for Vista. We are in final testing and should have them posted to our web site by mid Feb." Belkin will offer tech support on products the company has been able to qualify as working with Vista.

NETGEAR said none of its current ADSL modems or modem/routers include a USB port. However, some older single port-modems, the DM602 (discontinued in 2004) and the DG632 (discontinued in 2006) included a USB port, but also included an Ethernet port. "At this stage, it does not appear NETGEAR will be able to release Vista-compatible USB drivers for either of these devices. However, both devices do also contain an Ethernet port which does not require driver support, and will therefore work with Vista," the company said.

"All NETGEAR's router and modem products are administered using a web GUI, and are able to be administered from a Vista PC without any need for an update. NETGEAR is currently rolling out formal support for customers using Vista. In the meantime, support is being provided on a best-effort basis. "

D-link said it was working 'full steam ahead' on Vista drivers for its USB modems and had added 20 drivers in the past day (including drivers for its current-model DSL-200 and DSL-502T USB modems) to its tech support site.

The company is offering tech support for customers having difficulty getting their modem working with Vista, and is currently in the process of setting up a dedicated Vista page on its web site to make it easier for customers to get drivers.

Netcomm said it had released drivers for the NetComm have released Vista drivers for the following products:AM5066, NB1, NB5 series, NB6 series, NB8W, NP542 / NP543 / NP544 and would have Vista drivers for other wireless and USB products "shortly".

Draytek, Thomson/Alcatel and OPEN Networks were contacted but are yet to respond.

... and then there's wireless broadband

Wireless broadband services that use PCMCIA cards for laptops are also beholden to their hardware providers writing Vista drivers.

Unwired said it had already produced new drivers for customers with the PCMCIA card and customers could either call in to get a CD posted to them, or download them from the Unwired web site when they're made available in a few days' time.

"Like most people, we've known about Vista for a fair while -- we've been monitoring it for the last 12 months and been working with the developer for the last two months," Unwired spokesman Tyson Bowen said.

Competitor iBurst said it had beta drivers available and expected to have final drivers available by the end of the month.

The Telstra BigPond Wireless PCMCIA card has Vista drivers available, however customers would need to download and install the latest BigPond Wireless Connection Manager software.

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Anthony Caruana:

But why aren't they supporting ethernet connections? I can understand the lack of USB support (and accept that it's the modem maker's "fault") but surely PPoE with an ethernet connection to the computer is OK.

Given that most (all?) computers that are sold today have an ethernet interface this is far easier to install and set up in any case.

BTW - I'm a Telstra cable user and received an email last year saying that the Telstra log-in client was going to be decommisioned "soon". Did they ever do that?

Cheers

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Russo:

As said in a previous comment Telstra BPA (bigpond authentication) it has actually been abolished with new cable internet connections. They released a new Motorola modem with the standard installation package, smart how its done but that’s not the topic here. I just bought a new computer from my local computer store with vista ultimate (OEM)...a lot cheaper I got to say was only $254 for the software. I connected it up with the Ethernet connection straight from cable modem and presto no problem.

The solution is obvious, just release Ethernet modems rather than USB....how hard can that be..pretty much every modern day computer has an Ethernet port!! Some ISP's seriously need a slap.


29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydneyranger:

I am using Motorola 4200 modem via USB connector with Vista and use Optusnet as my ISP and have no problems.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

I used to work in tech support for an ISP and went though the release of OSX and XP. While I know it's annoying for people buying new PC's with Vista pre-installed, people have to understand that regardless of driver's ISP's need to train staff. Training has to be developed, issues identified, and then all of this rolled out to staff. These staff are often distributed nationally and internationally. Relax a bit and give it a few months people.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

phoenixthesmeg:

Why doesn't bigpond support vista, all their ADSL modems in the last few years have ethernet as standard.

I don't know about the old speedtouch home/pro ADSL modems but the speedtouch 530/536 and Speedstream 4200 all have ethernet.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ian Anderson:

I wonder why MS released its BETA v of Vista over 12 months ago, maybe as a Joke as some ISP's seem to think. Wake up all you sleepy isps.

I am a happy beta tested and had no hassles connecting to my ISP cable service(Optus).

So come on Bigpuddle get with it

xandia

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

john:

This is not entirely true ... the drivers for Xp work fine with Vi$ta with Bigpond's broadband service. I've had no hassles anyway.



29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hugh:

Yeah, I've had no problem with my Thomson Speedtouch either. Did a Vista upgrade, and have had uninterrupted service from Bigpond. And I'm connected through USB!

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phill:

Telstra's ADSL modems (Speed Touch 536) do come with an ethernet port. I just set my mother in law up on Telstra ADSL on Vista last weekend. I'm also with Telstra using Cable Extreme and experience no issues at all with Vista.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig Middleton, BigPond:

Dan, the existence of ethernet ports on the modems of our existing customers is precisely the reason can get them up and running with Vista.

Using pejorative terms like "refusing point blank" is hardly objective nor does it reflect our extensive efforts to resolve any inconvenience to our members caused by a situation beyond our control. There is a difference between refusal and inability.

This story just reads like you've slipped back into "Telstra bad, everyone else good" mode again when the fact is that BigPond members are no worse off than members of any of the other ISPs mentioned in your story.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Craig its actually "Telstra bad, others better". You can paint rosy picture in a press piece or plead on a website but it wont change the perceptions one iota. The appalling perceptions held of Bigpond, exist for the most part from appalling bigpond customer experience.
All those USB installs may have been expedient to install, may have suited legacy machines without a cheapo Ethernet card and may have aided Telstra's previous policy of only single machine connections. But all short-cuts have a habit of biting you later on down the track. The ISP's that insisted (or at least strongly encouraged) Ethernet only connections are the ones reaping the rewards now.
If Telstra Bigpond concentrated on cost effective customer service delivery rather than mass market saturation advertising of a crook product then they'd stand a good chance of being competitive.
Anyone who has tried to negotiate the maze that is the Bigpond web site or that has been through the jackboot style Bigpond phone support knows just how hard any change can be. The reality will be that any mug punter out there with Bigpond, a USB connected modem and a shiny copy of Vista, will be in for a more tortuous upgrade path than if they were with almost any other service provider.
On the plus side at least the Siemens modems offer documentation that the actual user may be able to fathom out.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

I disagree, Craig. Vista has been in pretty final beta for the last 6 months and Telstra's had access to the final version of Vista for at least two months, so why is it now unable to connect new customers (who are not encumbered with USB modems)?

It should be a simple matter of sending them an ethernet modem, with instructions or an installer CD. Ethernet modems don't need Vista drivers.

For customers who are encumbered by a USB modem and can't get it working, you could offer a free upgrade to an Ethernet modem -- they're available at wholesale for about $40, so it would be a small investment for customer satisfaction.

The only instance where I'd say it's fair enough for BigPond not to connect a customer up is if they have an existing USB modem that doesn't have drivers available, and they are insisting on using that for their BigPond service.



29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Simon Sharwood:

This is bloody funny given the partnership between Microsoft and Telstra for movie downloads in Vista.
Look what happens when two bureaucracies collide!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymouse:

Hmmm... always a good idea to do your research before publication. Optus has never supplied a DSL modem without an Ethernet port - both the D-Link 302G and Siemens Speedstream 4200 feature USB and Ethernet.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ChrisC:

Ahh nice.. Another article from Dan that doesn't have a clue.. Skimping on the modems? Yet they do actually provide an ethernet connection..

I thought journalists were meant to research before they go to print?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pale_ale:

Maybe whirlpool.net.au news editor Phil Sweeney should take 2 minutes to have a think before making rediculous statements because both Optus and Telstra provide modems that have Ethernet.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James:

Trashy story with no facts. Please stop publishing such perverted views on what these ISP's provide and get your facts right. The modems these ISP actually have an ETHERNET port.

Doh Dan, doh!



29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

While you were busy going off half cocked there James did you ever consider how many of those dual port use modems had been configured for USB. Now you explain in terms that the non technical can understand how they reconfigure their systems to run via Ethernet.
And when those happy clickers who have the misfortune to have a USB modem connection to one of the above mentioned ISP and a new copy of Vista upgrade, tell me what is going to happen?
Where are they going to get the info from? The Internet?
And when the ISP helpdesk says "sorry unsupported Op System" where does that leave them? All alone with a broken pornograph!
So James have you got YOUR facts right now?

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John:

get your facts straight rainpuppy. you clown!

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Ah but they are! And you know they are, that's what eats you up inside. :>

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kristian:

I bought a computer 3 days ago with vista home prem on it. As the whole of Australia knows there is certain connection issue if your with optus using a d-link 302g mod. I'm one of those people. Could anybody please advise me on how to tackle this issue. I understand that tech support are doing their best. And yes anger can hinder understanding. How with so much money being pumped in R&D optus and co can't get it right or at best be upfront to customers such as myself on what action to take.


29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jimmy:

I've bought a new notebook a week ago. The nightmare began.
I couldn't connect to the Optus Broadband. The machine
manufacturer service told me that was Optus Problem.
When I called Optus, they told me it was the manufacturers
problem. Now I know, Optus lied and refused to help.
I am helpless, with a metal rubbish worth $1500.


29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

lexi:

Mate...... I have to say I am a computer savvy-less nana, and it didnt involve to much brain matter to work out. I think you need to pull back & think before you put pen to paper again.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jack:

Raindog, if you had even done some research on Windows Vista, those people who purchase the OS and do an upgrade retain their existing drivers. I have tested both my Siemens 4200 and 302G from OptusNet and they both work after having run the upgrade and not having reinstalled any drivers.
If people get an all new computer, they would have to setup their modem again, so its no harder switching over to ethernet. Actually its much simpler as you do not have to install the drivers.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

And if they have a PC that is connected by USB?
Yes I know every proud geek out there can set up an Ethernet card without losing a stitch from their knitting, but for the masses of zombie clickers (and who else chooses bigpond) out there it is a problem.

As for doing research you've researched one out of one installation, hardly qualifies you as expert now, does it jack? Hmm?

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

G.Prime:

"As for doing research you've researched one out of one installation, hardly qualifies you as expert now, does it jack? Hmm?"

And does having a keyboard qualify you to rant about something you have absolutlely no idea about?

Why do we have this winge every time a new O/S is released?

You will generally own vista in 3 ways.
1. You have a new PC - STOP COMPLAINING!! YOU HAVE AN ETHERNET PORT ON YOUR PC! call your ISP and get it connected.

2. Your upgrading - STOP COMPLAINING!!! Vista took your XP dirvers and installed them for you.

3. Your using a beta/stolen version - STOP COMPLAINING!!! You should know better.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jayne:

I bought a 2 year wireless broadband contract just before the intoduction to 3G. Telstra cust. service has told me it will be phased out in 2008 and customers upgraded to 3G network which may take 12 months. I have a shiny new week old computer with vista with no access to internet until when????? Leaves you scratching your head!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

doug:

This is weird i have Telstra Bigpond and a cable modem provided by them (modem is about 2 years old) and my modem + cable login work on vista and i can use the internet.

29 February 2008, 8:38 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sneaky Pete:

Try installing the old XP USB modem driver on your CD. It worked for me !

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

zed:

Linux type problems with Vista?
The irony is so sweet

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nick:

Siemens have released a driver for usb/vista 32. It is in their knowledgebase, posted on 13/4/07. 

Link 

Hope this helps a few people. I have not verified it because i use the ethernet interface.



29 February 2008, 8:40 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Optus customer:

Optusnet is still not supporting Vista operated systems. I was told by a customer service rep today that no support is available for problems I'm experiencing connecting my new Vista operated laptop to an existing broadband service. Very frustrating! The Microsoft Office programs that I purchased with my computer are threatening to lock me out unless I register online.. catch 22!

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Optus customer:

An update.. Microsoft tech support said I would have to speak to a "level 2 technician" about connecting Vista Home Premium to the net, at a cost of $80. Get real!
Looks like I'm going without an internet connection on my laptop until my ISP can deal with Vista.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Optus Customer:

As an early adopter of Vista (bought it on day one) I had endless trouble trying to get my internet connection working. Optus and MS were both pretty useless when it came to support, but I with a little research, I found the easiest solution was to update the Optus-fiddled with firmware with genuine Dlink. Worked in a flash!! Try here.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Help Vista:

I bought a new computer with Vista installed and purchased Optus braodband obilivious of the Vista optus problems that were occurring. I have a Seimens 4200 modem (which optus sent to me) and I have connected through the ethernet. I still can not connect to the internet. I know I should be a bit more computer savy but I am not.Can someone please tell me in simple straigh forward steps how I can configure my computer and/or modem to make this work. I have been mucking around now for 4 weeks and have just given up.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

justmeok:

Hi, My son had the same problem and eventually got it solved by following the suggestions on these links! Hope it helps you too! Good Luck :)

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29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Argy:

Had sim probs with a Seimens 4200 modem, got mine from Telstra with my ISP contract, found that Telstra is trying to get rid of this modem. All sorts of problems, incl catching on fire. Sold mine and purchased a Netcomm Router works perfectly with Vista. Also setup my own Home Wireless Network utilising X-Box. All very easy with the right hardware.

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jo Blo:

Hey nice work with the DSL 302g firmware link mate


Thankyou!

29 February 2008, 8:41 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael:

I left Bigpond many moons ago because they refused to support people with ethernet based routers, evend after they became as common as muck.

The final straw came when they had a problem at massive problem with their authentication servers. The news was all over Whirlpool, people I knew in the same area had the problem. And they refused to support me because I had an ethernet based router.

Not support Vista is just one more indiction of what a mess they are.

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