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Dan Warne08 July 2006, 11:59 AM

Microsoft is warning Vista beta testers to burn ISOs to discs at slower speeds, claiming its failure analysis data is showing that three quarters of failed Vista installs are due to dodgy DVD-Rs.


dvd100.jpgMicrosoft has warned public beta testers to burn downloaded Vista ISOs to disc at speeds as slow as 1X or 2X in order to get a reliable burn.

It says a key reason behind installation failure of Vista is that many DVD burners cannot reliably burn a disc at high speed.

The interesting tidbit was included in the release notes for the interim update to Vista Beta 2 (build 5456.5; not publicly available) and sheds light on the magnitude of the problem of unreliable DVD burns:

When burning your DVD’s please do so at 1x or 2x and CRC them when done using the CRC utility posted on the Connect site. The customer experience improvement telemetry that we’ve been getting back on Beta 2 shows that not quite three quarters of setup failures are the result of a failure to read from the media. Testing shows that burning at slower speeds greatly increases the chances of a good burn.

It has been the subject of rumour for a long time that DVD burning is a risky way of backing up data, because the organic dye layers used in the disc are just that -- organic. They decompose over time, so that patches of a burned disc may become unreadable.

But it has been difficult to get a picture for exactly how great the problem is: the CATS DVD analysers required to scientifically test burned DVDs are rare and incredibly expensive.

But this sort of data from Microsoft is helpful: statistical analysis on such a wide base of people shows that data integrity on optical discs is a significant problem, even as soon as a disc is burned.

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cropcircles:

Since Vista 5342, 5354.4 beta 2 and the latest 5456 I've had no luck with installing Vista on my PC. I usually burn at a slow speed and have never had much luck with NERO, so I switched to Alcohol 120 and most recently I've been using DVD Decrypter to burn my ISO's.
My Specs:
XP Pro/SuSe 10.1
P4/3.4
Seagate 160GB 7200 HDD
Asus P5GD2 Deluxe MB
2GB-DDR2 SDRAM
GeForce 6600/256
SB Audigy 2 6.1
I've installed from XP desktop and during installation I get two messages, "Silicon Image Sil 3114 SoftRaid 5 Controller" is missing. So I installed the driver during installation. I also get the message during installation "AAX347S SCSI Controller" After the driver installation Sil 3114 Vista 5456 would finish installing and then on the first reboot I would get an error (Can't recall the message) I've tried this 7 or 8 times with both DVD+ and - disks. I've not had any problems installing any Vista builds prior to 5342. I've created NTSC seperate partitian to install Vista to using Acronis Disk Director Suite, making them Primary/Active drives. Is this a RAID problem. Any feedback from you experts would be appreciated. I've posted over at Neowin and OSNN with no luck. Peace. Ronan Dex aka,. cropcircles.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James:

I can totally agree with you, after 5342 Vista does chuck a wobbly. Does it happen to you on the Vista splash screen on install? Because I diagnosed it as my perfectly fine USB 2.0 Firewire Combo PCI Card.

If its an issue at the earliest of the installation i seriously think its a legacy driver issue microsoft are sure to fix in the coming builds.

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Evan Hancock:

I downloaded the Vista Beta 2 os. I installed it and honestly its really good. It would be even better if I could actually install my ADSL/2 modem - or anything else for that matter. I guess it's beta and therefore isnt really intended for personal use.

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Bob:

cropcircles
im glad im not the only one experiencing these problems. i spent a full day trying to solve that.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Xepol:

Doesn't explain why the Vista Beta 2 MSDN disc I received is also flawed.

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TerminalVeloCD:

My advice here? Use quality recordable media. It only costs a little more if anything and your data is more likely to be safe for longer. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media) make the best discs and the premium you will pay for these discs is marginal when compared with in my opinion inferior TDK and Imation brands (both manufactured by CMC Magnetics Corporation), for example.

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Keith Rodgers:

Noticed the game Terminal Velocity mentioned.I have the disc-in good condition-but cannot get it to play on Windows xp.Any suggestions please ?

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Duncan:

Had a similar problem with 5456, burnt fine, started to install but after "Expanding Files" the wheels basically fell off. Install would continue after a reboot but then would freeze. After a minute the PC would just reboot; just to do it all over again.

Re-burnt on same kind of media on different PC and it was fine.

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