Bye bye Intel: NVIDIA's new motherboard GPUs pack whopper punch

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Leigh Stark22 October 2008, 10:15 AM

If the sound of "integrated graphics" make you shudder, NVIDIA has some good news for you.


The humble GPU has come a long way in the past decade. From its beginnings in the 2D & 3D solutions that required the use of two-boards up to the combination of processes and now to what graphics processing units can do, the simple GPU has certainly done a lot.

Most of us have seen a motherboard with integrated video in some form or another. They've existed for years and often come with the lowest of the low, graphics cores which at their best make are cringe-worthy. Designed to do the bare minimum, motherboards with GPU's barely hit above the low-end mark and rarely are good for anything more than showing the operating system and playing games that came out four years too late.

All of this might change however with the release of the new Nvidia 9300 motherboard GPU.

Based on the modern high-end Geforce 9 series of graphics processing units, the 9300M GPU runs 16 dedicated cores and includes programming language support for special GPU applications. Nvidia's PureVideo HD is also included for high-definition playback as well as the inclusion of PhysX technology for better game physics and even Nvidia's widely touted Hybrid SLI.

Depending on what you're doing and the hardware you have, Hybrid SLI works in one of two ways:

For HybridPower, the GPU will be throttled for performance giving you either less power and more battery life or the exact opposite. Depending on whether you're writing some papers or playing hardcore games, this could make all the difference to that extra time you're spending on the plane.

Hybrid SLI's other ability is GeForce Boost, a feature seen only with people who have both a Geforce motherboard GPU from the 9 series (like this article's 9300M GPU) and an extra Geforce 9 series video card plugged into the SLI slot. Geforce Boost allows both the motherboard graphic processor and the video card graphics processor to run together.

We're just now beginning to see boards with these chipset trickle out of factories with Asus being one of the first to offer them. Boards like their P5N7A-VM are among the first out to consumers and will make for a fantastic option for customers looking to build their new HTPC with decent on-board graphic options with room to move.

It gets better because people looking for cheap system with which to do Photoshop editing on or use tools from the Adobe Creative Suite 4 will now be able to tap into more power than they otherwise would have if they just had a cheap & crappy all-in-one motherboard. While we know that ATI cards work with CS4, we also know that Adobe and Nvidia have worked together to see that performance be a top priority for the two components.

Even with these new advancements, Nvidia might still have issues competing with AMD's ATI Crossfire chipset that currently dominates Intel's chipset scene. With Crossfire-X literally littering the playing field, the 9300 motherboard design might have to go a long way to making itself sit high among the ATI brethren. Against other companies like S3's chipsets however, it's going to be a no-contest slaughter.

Now all Nvidia have to do is get their stuff out there... and hope that that pesky defective chip casing problem really is sorted.


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SLi (Regular user):

I wonder how Intel will react?

22 October 2008, 10:31 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Senior member):

It would seem that NVidia have already shot themselves in the foot by restricting the features to just 9xxx series cards !
It's old tech based on the 8xxx designs !
Surely they will integrate the 260 and 280's into the strategy or they will fall further behind AMD/ATI.
And you can bet Intel will push through it's multi-core graphics (modular in design for app/game appropriate demand) !

22 October 2008, 10:52 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

The new MacBook and MackBook Pro have the 9400M built in. The MacBook Pro, which also has a discrete 9600M GT, supports "Hybrid Power" but not "Hybrid SLI" (not yet anyway).

22 October 2008, 12:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Point being?

22 October 2008, 1:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SLi (Regular user):

Quoting David Johnston:
The new MacBook and MackBook Pro have the 9400M built in. The MacBook Pro, which also has a discrete 9600M GT, supports "Hybrid Power" but not "Hybrid SLI" (not yet anyway).

That has absolutely nothing to do with this article... why bother posting crap like that?
Who gives an arse about Macs anyway... nothing but worthless junk



22 October 2008, 6:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

I'm sorry that Hemma and SLi are confused. I don't understand your angst. Let me be clearer... Leigh reports on the 9300M, but there are at least two chipsets of this fashion, the other being the 9400M. Also Leigh implores for manufacturers other than Asus to use the chipsets, well Apple is another manufacturer using them. Also Leigh talks about HybridPower and Hybrid SLi, so I remarked how only one of these technologies are implemented in OS X, unlike they are under Windows.

22 October 2008, 9:02 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Leigh D. Stark (New user):

Ooo... I wonder if I can speak in this "Leigh reports, implores, and talks about" fashion in the same way... let's see...

Leigh says that while you're right in that Apple are using a similar variant of the 9300M GPU in the new MacBook / MacBook Pro systems with the 9400M, it's not quite the same because it's a single-chip solution unlike the 9300M's ability to run two chips.

Leigh goes on to say that while it's all well and good Apple including the possibility for HybridPower in their MacBook Pro with the use of a 9600GT and a 9400M, perhaps it would have been easier if Apple had just gone with two different power modes (underclocking and regular clock-speeds) instead of throwing in the extra parts driving the cost of this up. Leigh personally would have preferred a mini-Firewire port in a laptop as opposed to two video chipsets... but that's just him, personally.

22 October 2008, 9:27 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset anybody. I was just trying to help out with some extra information. If it's any consolation, I really don't agree with the design choices made by Apple either.

22 October 2008, 11:04 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Leigh D. Stark (New user):

You didn't upset me, I just felt the need to point out the correct chips here. We're cool. :)

23 October 2008, 7:15 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

Leigh, dude, I think you'll find that the 9400 and 9300 MGPUs are the same chipset just running at different clock speeds. (But, hey, I'm probably wrong.)

Here is the October 20 press release from nVidia:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1224488984814.html

Here is the product page for the 9300:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9300_mgpu_us.html

Here is the product page for the 9400:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400_mgpu_us.html

I hope this helps!

David

23 October 2008, 8:58 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Leigh D. Stark (New user):

Interestingly, Nvidia like to screw around with names. Hope this helps :P

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9400m_g_us.html

25 October 2008, 11:31 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

Hey Leigh I think I know where you are confused. You wrote...

"For HybridPower, the GPU will be throttled for performance giving you either less power and more battery life or the exact opposite. Depending on whether you're writing some papers or playing hardcore games, this could make all the difference to that extra time you're spending on the plane."

HybridPower is a side-product of SLi, you have to have a second discrete GPU in order for it to take effect. It is the switching between the integrated graphics chipset and the discrete GPU, in order to conserve battery power.

There is more here under SLi at nVidia.com:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hybridsli_notebook.html

23 October 2008, 9:33 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Essentially this is about desktop motherboards. Not Apples. It has nothing to do with macs. Keep your Mac stuff with the Mac forums. Stop wheeling it in at any chance you get.

What is it with people like you? OSX this OSX that.... If you read my comments on the new mac its mostly positive.... but you people make me sick.

22 October 2008, 9:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

I'm sorry to have upset you. The article is about the nVidia chipsets being superior to that of Intel, to which I agree and wished to add further evidence. As with regards to OS X, I was pointing out a Windows implementation that is not present in OS X.

As for your "people like you" comment, why be offensive? You know little of me. In no way did I say that OS X "is great", in fact my post implied the opposite.

In an effort to let you know a little about me, I'd like to tell you that of the 9 operating systems I have here running at the moment only 2 are OS X.

And if I may return your salvo; people like you who make "people like you" comments make me sick.

22 October 2008, 11:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Well likewise I am also sorry that its not only me that thinks what you said has absolutely no relevance to the discussion. Now, moving on...

23 October 2008, 7:13 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

Hold on a second. Let me continue not in an effort to argue but in an effort to educate.

My post has everything to do with the article. Let me explain further...

Nvidia has released a pair of chipsets (http://tinyurl.com/58zlkd) that are identical apart from the speed of the graphics core. The GeForce 9300M and 9400M chipsets are both integrated graphics solutions fabricated using a 65nm process. The 9300M has a 450MHz Core and 1200MHz Shaders while the 9400M has a 580MHz Core and 1400MHz Shaders.

The 9400M is the same integrated graphics chipset as the 9300M just running at a higher clock speed!

Both were officially released together on October 20th. The forthcoming P5N7A-EM from Asus will use the 9400M chipset. Other manufacturers to release boards based on the 9400 integrated chipset include ECS, EVGA, Foxconn, Galaxy, Gigabyte, J&W, MSI, Onda, Zotac, and XFX. All of which I'm sure you can run Windows on. ;-)

How is the integrated 9400 (http://tinyurl.com/575lpm) not relevant to a discussion on the 9300 (http://tinyurl.com/69d746) both of which share the same architecture and were officially announced together on the same day?

23 October 2008, 9:13 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Advanced Forumologist):

Good technology for HTPC's but for serious gamers it will turn out to be a white elephant. I'll qualify this by observations of our patrons purchasing 2 to 3 graphics cards upgrade per motherboard along with a CPU upgrade. The motherboard is usually the last thing upgraded, and only when it is deemed absolutely necessary (eg Intel socket 478 to 775 or AGP to PCIe)

Intel have some pretty cool multi-core graphics coming out and this time it may give the 2 major players another manufacturer to compete against. Again, good for the consumers :)

22 October 2008, 1:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Good technology for HTPC's but for serious gamers it will turn out to be a white elephant.

Damn straight! Especially once they realise there is no place for a large dragon sticker!

Somehow I don't think these boards are being aimed at the alien shooters but are more likely to have an impact back at the sensible and very cost sensitive end of the market. Yes people do actually use those Intel graphics so any capability and performance improvement over thoses will be a welcome thing.


22 October 2008, 2:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

To SLi and Hemma ! ...... Chill out guys !
We have had this debate about self appointed moderators already with the 'mighty' Raindog !
It's not up to you two to adjudicate on what's valid or not ! Being obnoxious doesn't help anyone !
David Johnston's comments are quite valid in the context that Apple using NVidia cards is one of the better steps Jobs has made in the last decade ! ............ And I'm a MacTard :)

Oh ! And BTW .......... OSX, it just works :P

And to David Johnston, just hit the 'report abuse' button if anyone gets personally abusive ........ Dan Warne will look after the rest ;)


22 October 2008, 11:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Quoting plutonium210:

David Johnston's comments are quite valid in the context that Apple using NVidia cards is one of the better steps Jobs has made in the last decade ! ............ And I'm a MacTard :)

Mate, my point is, that this is essentially about Nvidia's step towards integrated video on motherboards, not laptop video.

If this is about a Mac product, or even a Toshiba laptop using the same chipset, I am MORE than happy to agree with him with that regard, as Apple did make quite an impressive move with their new line of notebooks, and the existing model (being the Macbook Air).

23 October 2008, 9:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Johnston (User):

Okay. Cool. But you do know that laptops are computers too? They have chipsets with integrated graphics sitting on a motherboard. You shouldn't create the artificial distinction such as you've displayed in your writing. The author of this article clearly hasn't:

"...this could make all the difference to that extra time you're spending on the plane."

Somehow I doubt that he's talking about using a desktop PC powered by an UPS.

24 October 2008, 5:41 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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