Conroy must apologise to Google for appalling attack

Renai LeMay
26 May 2010, 1:34 PM


opinion Stephen Conroy must immediately stop his vicious public attacks on Google and apologise.


In my opinion, Conroy clearly lacks understanding of the technical details of the recent potential privacy breach in the collection of Wi-Fi data by the search giant’s Street View cars.

That’s the conclusion that I drew this morning after reading the transcript of our noble Communications Minister’s statements on the matter in the Senate Estimates Committee yesterday. In the committee, Conroy made a number of statements that have no obvious basis in fact.

For example, he stated that it was possible that Google’s collection of Wi-Fi data constituted “the largest privacy breach in history across Western democracies”.

I hardly think so.

Mr Conroy, as the internet has widely chronicled, privacy breaches are incredibly rampant in our information-rich society. It’s not hard to find examples in the past few years where massive government databases have been left on unencrypted USB keys, and jobseeker databases have been hacked into and information on hundreds of thousands of people stolen.

There was even a case where over 250,000 people who had requested a free sample of a personal lubricant had their details exposed on the public internet.

Need I point out that the Australian Taxation Office itself has admitted to losing data about taxpayers? And government auditors (the most recent example being Western Australia) regularly find appalling security and privacy practices within the public sector.

In this context, Google’s admission that it had accidentally automatically been picking up some Wi-Fi data across unencrypted networks must surely rank as quite minor – especially since it doesn’t appear as if Google knows precisely what it picked up, and is currently attempting to delete the data in the safest way possible.

As Google itself has stated (and as is apparent if you have any basic knowledge of the laws of physics), the data collected was not even that significant. The fact that its Street View cars are constantly in motion means that they would typically only have captured “fragments” of payload data from Wi-Fi networks.

Conroy’s claim of a massive privacy breach just doesn’t stack up when there is no obvious injured party yet from Google capturing what could just be useless fragments of information.

Then there was Conroy’s statement that Google deliberately collected the Wi-Fi data, which he repeated several times under questioning from Liberal Senator Mary-Jo Fisher.

Well, no. As Google has stated: “Quite simply it was a mistake.”

An engineer wrote a piece of code that was mistakenly included alongside other code used in Google’s Street View cars.

I fail to understand what basis Conroy has for not believing Google’s incredibly open and honest statement here – in public – apologizing for its mistakes. There is simply no evidence that Google was deliberately planning to collect payload data through its Street View cars.

Until someone finds a smoking gun – such as an email from Google CEO Eric Schmidt commanding Google to spy on people’s Wi-Fi networks – we must presume Google innocent until proven guilty, and take the company at its word. To do anything else is a travesty of justice.

But perhaps the most disturbing thing about Conroy’s testimony is the lengths to which he went to make links between various of Google’s recent activities

“Google takes the view that they can do anything they want … People should not mistake the approach being taken by Google on a range of issues around the world,” he said, going on to extensively quoting the search giant’s CEO Eric Schmidt in an apparent effort to concoct some massive conspiracy on behalf of the search giant.

From Google Buzz, to Street View, to Wi-Fi SSID collection, to the internet filter … Conroy seems to believe that Google is evil, and he’s actively investigating the company’s operations internationally, using public statements by its CEO Schmidt to build castles in the air about it.

The incredibly absurd nature of his testimony in the Senate Estimates Committee yesterday (I encourage you to read the transcript) is evident by the reactions throughout from Scott Ludlam, in which the Greens Senator’s incredulity in the face of Conroy’s nonsense statements is written as plain as day.

“This is starting to sound really personal. Go ahead,” said Ludlam, and later: “Are you going to quote them on your filter, because I presume that is what this is all about?”

Later, after a lengthy diatribe on the fact that Google states on its website that users can trust it when it comes to privacy, Ludlam sarcastically remarked: “Terrible!”

The other disturbing thing about this situation is that it displays to great effect the amazing immaturity with which Conroy wields his ministerial powers.

If I was Communications Minister and I had a problem with a company whose operations fell in my portfolio, I would contact that company’s Australian managing director — or even its global CEO — and request a private chat to work through some of the difficulties.

Doing so emphasises your power as a minister and allows you to build close relationships with other powerful people that will be useful in a thousand different ways.

Instead, Conroy has chosen to make his complaint about Google public, drawing on his overt powers of parliamentary privilege rather than using his influence to manipulate the situation.

Putting pressure on Google in the senate, to be honest, is likely to make the search giant dig in harder and defend its position. If Conroy really wanted to achieve substantive change in the way Google operates, he would likely achieve much greater traction by dealing with his issues behind closed doors.

The “crybaby” approach he is currently pursuing is unlikely to deliver any substantial outcomes — apart from convincing the rest of the industry that he is a dangerous and unstable commodity. And it reinforces the impression that his current Google complaints stem from the search giant’s opposition to his pet internet filter project.

In the content of what he appears to believe is a massive conspiracy from Google to steal his data, I am only left with one question for Stephen Conroy this morning.

Does this mean, Mr Conroy, that on your own PC you use Microsoft Bing?

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Daviddth (New user):

Finally, a comment that is well researched, to the point and that I actually agree with 100%

26 May 2010, 1:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

The punchline to this article is the best I've read in ages...

26 May 2010, 2:23 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (User):

I cant recall what tripe I was reading, but did you know that Google did this deliberatly to sell the data they found about us through our wifi networks to advertisement companies the world over..... simple mistake I think not!

or whatever, seems pretty far fetched to me!

26 May 2010, 2:24 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Daviddth (New user):

What are they going to find out about someone from an open wifi network? If that person has shared drives on a network then they might see movies/tv shows that are downloaded, theres a chance they might have shared their documents folder, so if they illegally browsed the drives then they could learn a bit

I cant see how that would help Pepsi advertise their new drink to me, Arnotts to push a new sweet busicuit based on the ones I have bought in the past.

The only thing they could have learnt is that at the top of Main street, Eastwich there is an Open Belkin Router with an SSID of GoAway, and a Open Networks one a little way down the road etc

26 May 2010, 2:52 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Franz (New user):

Maybe Conroy should go to China and ask for a job there...

26 May 2010, 2:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Doubt even they'd take him - he's too random and unpredictable.
Telstra might take him though if Thodey turns out to be improving the company too much.

26 May 2010, 6:24 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KevinP (User):

Renee LeMay, what are you smoking? What a pathetic ode to Google. You and all the other Google apologists on this comments list should be ashamed. You really think that collecting Wi-Fi data was a mistake? And if it was, that it's excusable because government departments have lost data too? You guys are out of touch with reality. APC used to stand for objectivity and as watchdog against the excesses of corporate IT. It's been reduced to a grovelling apologist. Beyond sad. You're out of touch with the bulk of your readers.

26 May 2010, 2:45 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AlexF (User):

Quoting KevinP:
You're out of touch with the bulk of your readers.

I suspect it's you who is out of touch with bulk of readers. In a choice between support of Google and Conroy, I suspect I know where 99% will side.



26 May 2010, 4:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Douglas (New user):

Quoting KevinP:
Renee LeMay

*Renai. Just thought I'd put that out there (he's a guy, you see).

Quoting KevinP:
You really think that collecting Wi-Fi data was a mistake? And if it was, that it's excusable because government departments have lost data too?

Yep, some random packets of WiFi data... a bigger security breach than that of a government department... that's right, you read it here first folks!

Quoting KevinP:
You guys are out of touch with reality.

Your pretend one, maybe. But in this one we're all in, we all accept the fact that, if you're dumb enough to have an open WiFi network, you deserve all you get.

Quoting KevinP:
You're out of touch with the bulk of your readers.

You are not the bulk of APC's readers.



26 May 2010, 9:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mattrix (New user):

Can someone plase put this man down...

26 May 2010, 2:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff (User):

Anyone who complains that their traffic was picked up by google has no one to blame but themselves - even wep would have been enough to stop it from happening. It's like complaining that someone saw you naked after you wandered through the street in the nude!!

I mean one of the people making a class action against google over this "works in a high technology field" and "In connection with her work and home life, Van Valin transmits and receives a substantial amount of data from and to her computer over her wireless network. A significant amount of the wireless data is also subject to her employer's non-disclosure and security regulations." (from: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/347368/google_hit_class-action_lawsuit_over_wi-fi_snooping/)

Working in such a field, they should know better than not having a secured wireless connection!! Especially given that they were sending such sensitive data on it!!

Also, any takers on how long she'll get to keep her job?

26 May 2010, 3:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Jeff:
Working in such a field, they should know better than not having a secured wireless connection!! Especially given that they were sending such sensitive data on it!!

Yep - WTF were they doing sending sensitive data over an unencrypted network?

26 May 2010, 6:21 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KevinP (User):

No Jeff, it's not like complaining that someone saw you naked after you wandered down the street. A more accurate analogy is that someone robbed your house, but everyone says it's your fault for not having had bars on the doors and windows. Poor burglars, what where they to do?

27 May 2010, 4:40 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dbareis (New user):

What Google has done (more likely than not accidently) is minor at most. So they grab a bit more info than they wanted while capturing the useful information needed for location based services.

Conroy simply needs a distraction and dirt on the messenger (they get it every time).

26 May 2010, 5:13 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Stuff the apology Steven a ritual suicide by you would be entirely acceptible.

27 May 2010, 12:16 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

deeviation (New user):

mmm, what google is doing is akin to wardriving yet apparently not doing anything malicious with the data,

HOWEVER
check this bad boy out for android!
http://code.google.com/p/wardrive-android/

Can upload details of open networks to public web repo... so... if google doesn't do it, the people will!!

BTW, stuff you conroy and your dirty, dirty mind for thinking up this whole filter idea in the first place.

27 May 2010, 12:54 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting deeviation:
so... if google doesn't do it, the people will!!


That's not what Google was doing though - they probably did record whether they were open or not, but the intent was only to use the data for location awareness, NOT publishing a list of open APs.

But you are correct - people do this wardriving thing, and Conroy has never mention it before. There's websites out there mapping open APs on Google Maps, and even some that will help you find one nearby to leach off!

27 May 2010, 2:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zig (New user):

"The incredibly absurd nature of his testimony ......"
That just about says it all.
It has become quite clear now that Conroy is an uninformed, unstable lunatic. Its a pity his boss can't see it.
Complete ignorance of IT on both sides of politics is making Australia a laughing stock.

27 May 2010, 1:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (New user):

I don't see what Google has done wrong. Maybe the government can spend some time on updating laws to make things clear of people but if something is publically readable and some one therefore reads it (like any member of the public can) what the heck is the issue? They were not publishing the details (like any member of the public can if they want).

07 June 2010, 12:42 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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