Nokia N8 - a great smartphone for consumers, even if the smartphone geeks disagree?

Staff Writers
25 October 2010, 11:51 AM


Nokia’s new flagship, the N8, is a brilliant phone for consumers, says APC editor Tony Sarno, while phone geek Jenna Pitcher reckons it has failings that would stop her buying one.



The new Nokia N8. The APC editor reckons it's an excellent phone with rich consumer-friendly home screens and great camera, but you wouldn't know it from most of the first reviews in Australia.


OPINION 1: Consumers will love the Nokia N8

By Tony Sarno, editor of APC.

At APC I always base my assessment of products on one basic principle: do they meet the requirements of their target market? Which is why I’m intrigued by the coverage received by Nokia’s newest flagship phone, the N8. In general, the reviews are not about the phone itself and whether its intended customers would like some of the cool things on it (like the amazing 12 megapixel camera and 720p HD videocamera) but about how its Symbient 3 OS doesn’t measure up against the slickness of iOS, Android and Windows Phone 7, and whether Nokia has a clear long-term OS strategy.
 
The questions are legitimate but does an ordinary user who wants an advanced phone really give a damn whether Symbian 3 menus work as fluidly as the menus in iOS or whether Symbian 3 is the last in the line before a fork that leads either to Maemo or Meego or Windows Mobile 7?
 
Do most consumers even think about this stuff? What about the phone itself? As a test, I gave the N8 to a non-Geek friend who’s had a long line of phones - from Nokias and LGs to Blackberry Pearls. She's a late Generation Xer, likes gadgets and is in marketing/sales. To my surprise, it didn’t take her long to say she loved the N8 and said it would definitely be her next phone.




 
Why? For a start, our amateur tester just liked “the feel of it,” she said. The Nokia didn't feel like a little rectangular apps platform, but more like a phone, its slighty tapered ends making it feel narrower and longer than an iPhone. This was interesting, because the N8 is virtually identical in size to an iPhone, both in overall dimensions and screen size, so that’s clever industrial design by Nokia at work. The tester liked the way the N8's home screens (three of them)  display widgets that show constantly updated information from the phones apps. At a glance, on the home and side screens, you can see whether you’ve got notifications from Facebook and Twitter, the last two  emails in your inbox, the next couple of appointments and todos, headlines, newest apps in the Ovi store, and more.
 
The widgets look like live tiles. Hang on, haven’t we seen live tiles before? That’s the claim to fame of Windows Phone 7, which geekdom now believes is setting the standard for mobile phone OSes. The N8’s tiles aren’t as integrated into the OS, but to a consumer, they work the same and are as effective.



More conventional icons, in the applications section. Angry Birds is also on the Nokia, as well as the obligatory fart apps.

The menus and screens on the N8 are less consistent than those on other smartphones, nor flow as smoothly and occasionally fail to respond  - definitely a sign of Nokia’s more hodge podge expansion of Symbian into a smartphone OS. But once you figure out their peculiarities they’re not showstoppers and are a massive improvement on those in previous versions of Symbian, which did seem like relics from a previous age.



The native GPS app on the Nokia N8 is one of the best we've seen on a phone.

Our non-technical tester loves to take photos, as many smartphone users do, since the iPhone is now easily the most popular camera on Flickr. If she buys an iPhone, she’d have a 5 megapixel camera to work with, which is less than half the resolution of today’s average compact camera. On the Nokia N8, she gets a 12 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss optics and a Xenon flash, so, in effect the N8 is a phone and the equivalent of a standard compact camera.

And let’s not forget the video side of things. One of the iPhone’s claims to fame is that it was the first with 720p resolution video. The Nokia N8 has that too but also allows you to connect the phone directly to a HDTV via a HDMI port and play your 720p videos directly to your TV (the only downside is that the cable is extra). If you want to do the same on the iPhone, you'll need a special component AV cable, which won't pass on the high HD quality achievable through HDMI.
 
While taking several photos with the N8 (and loving the way the tapered ends and the camera button on the top right of the phone make it so easy to hold it for this purpose) our consumer tester never lapsed into a discussion about the merits of Symbian 3 vs iOS, Android or Windows Phone 7. She was just enjoying the phone.



The browser was easy to use, scrolled nicely and matched anything else we've seen on iPhone and Android devices.

In summary, the N8 isn’t an out-and-out app platform like iPhone and Android devices. It’s first and foremost an entertainment phone that feels great to hold, with a great camera, excellent call and sound quality. All the key apps that you expect on any smartphone are within quick reach on the customisable home screens. And Nokia’s Ovi app store has more than enough apps and games, since all those ones created for previous versions of Symbian work on Symbian 3 too.  

I would hazard that the screen isn’t like to break like an iPhone’s and it won’t have antenna issues. This is a great phone (and compact camera in one), and for the great majority of consumers, the discussion on Symbian 3 and the future is utterly irrelevant.


AVAILABILITY
The Nokia N8 will be available from the 1 November from Telstra, VHA and Optus and other retailers for $749 outright. Nokia spokesperson said at the launch that consumers would be willing to pay the price and other smartphone competitors "can't parallel the imaging capacity".
 
From 9 November Telstra will have the N8 available from selected stores on Next G plans such as 79 cap plan. The 24 month plan includes $750 standard national calls, SMS/MMS on Australian networks, 500MB data per month with a bonus 500MB to use within Australia and a minimum contract spend of $1896.
 

OPINION 2: Great hardware let down by the firmware

by Jenna Pitcher, technology journalist, gamer, and former digital artist

Nokia may say the N8 will get rid of the need of the pocket camera, and while it may do that because its onboard camera is exceptional, I wouldn't use the N8 as a smartphone device, not with the Symbian 3 OS and the slow processor. If Nokia had a different OS on the device, then the story may be different but I believe that, sadly, the great camera hardware is let down by the firmware. Although, I would be interested to see what else Hyper X (modder) has in store for the Nokia N8.

I liked the feel of N8 in the hand, it didn't feel like a plastic toy and the width was a good fit in my palm. With its tapered ends and the raised camera block on the back, the Nokia N8 design is a step away from current popular smartphones. As with all design, you’ll get differing opinions. Some commented the raised section on the back, which houses part of the camera, looks super glued on while others appreciated the left field of the industrial look in the design.
 
The handset weights 135 grams (with battery) but isn't awkward to hold with the 113.5 x 59.12 x 12. 99 mm dimensions that encase the 3.5 inch AMOLED capacitive touch screen.

 
SPECIFICATIONS



The "imaging capabilities" on the Symbian 3 -based N8 is what Nokia has flogged in the marketing campaign. The 680 MHz processor device sports a 12 megapixel camera with a Carl Zeiss lens and Xenon flash camera. Video recording capabilities is HD 720p at 25 fps and has an application to edit videos on the handset.
 
The flash features three options: Automatic, red eye, on and off. There are a number of image capture settings: face detection, grid, self timer, light sensitivity adjuster, white balance, exposure, colour tone, harpness, contrast and scene mode. The post shot edit options include a range of filters, masks, drawing, bubble text, stamp, animation, frames, tuning, crop, resize and clip art.
 
Network bands supported are WCDMA 850/900/1700/1900/2100 and GSM/EDGE850/900/1800/1900 with automatic switching between two bands.

There is one button below the screen that acts as the home button, camera button on the lower edge of the device and Micro USB port for transfer and USB On-The-Go on the side of the device. The HDMI Port (HDMI cable is sold separately), the 3.5 mm earphones jack are along the top edge and power button.
 
The SD card slot is on the side of the device, next to the SIM card slot, and that can accommodate 32 GB card in addition the 16 GB of internal memory. The slots covers were difficult to pry open because of the small gap offered to the fingernail. .
 
PERFORMANCE

The Symbian 3 OS was felt generally slow and awkward, the response times to open an application or menu could take seconds and the switch between the 3 home screens is slower than that of other operating systems.

Customisation of the homescreens wasn't as breezy as other handset OSes.  For example, each home screen has six vertical bars, which can hold up to four short cut icons or one widget. Press and hold and icon or widget to go into edit mode – the whole home screen is put into edit mode. From there the widget catalogue and wallpaper customisation option could be accessed through options menu, or the blank widget can be touched to bring up widget catalogue.

In general use, occasionally the screen had to be touched twice to get a response and wasn't very accurate in terms of calibration. The home button is very responsive and can get to the home screen from any application within good time.
 
The handset has a check automatically for updates option. I checked manually and only found a theme available at the time, the process from the update check to installation of update was faster than expected and only took a minute.
 
SMS message input was a pain in the derriere. Had to touch the display at the very start of the blank line to bring up the keypad, which was alphanumeric when held portrait and QWERTY when held in landscape. The accelerometer sensor felt slow, so when the phone was flipped to landscape, the keyboard wouldn't respond straight away, so a second "nudge" would be performed which caused the phone to become confused.
 
Audio quality on phone calls was great, the person on the other end was crystal clear and I had no difficulty hearing the other person. This is unlike some other smart phones, where the audio is turned up in an attempt to hear better just makes the distortion worse.
 
It took less than two minutes to set up the mail client with my Gmail account - also supports Microsoft Exchange and Lotus Notes - except I found the interface ugly with no options to personalise. The set up of the twitter client was also quick. For a new tweet, the Twitter client can upload a photo from gallery or camera and I could continue to look at tweets while the picture was uploaded. What irritated me was zero option to add a picture to a reply.



The SMH app for the Nokia.
 
There were a multitude of Australian applications available – Costal Watch, SMH/Brisbane Times/The Age/WA Today, Corkscore, SkyNews.com.au and the Weather Channel - developed by Australians on Web Runtime. Some applications, like the Sydney Morning Herald application, displayed recent stories through the widget and the interface of the application was barebones but user friendly.
 
Internet browsing wasn't a hassle and quite fast once a default search engine was set (Bing or Google), but it still took two presses from a shortcut on a homescreen to get to the search bar and internet address bar.
 
The multi-task menu was handy to jump to open applications which is accessed by the options menu on any application, then show open application, then choose or close applications. I found applications being closed through this method were downright unresponsive at times.
 
What surprised me was file sharing between the N8 and Windows 7 was fast, and displayed summary information; storage, picture synchronisation, battery status, missed calls and new text messages, all without having to install Nokia Ovi software. I had a loaded gun nearby just to be sure.
 
The display was bright in direct sunlight and wasn't horribly bad when compared side by side with a super AMOLED display. It should be noted the display particularly look like it was AMOLED.
 
Proposed talk time by Nokia is over 12 hours. The battery still had life at 5:30pm after a full day of use: up to an hour of talk time, SMS, Twitter, Gmail, brief Internet surf session and heavy camera use.
 
CAMERA

The tapered corners served to accommodate my hands when the device was held like a camera rather than a phone. I didn't feel clumsy, like I was going to drop the N8, while trying to take a shot.
 
I found it nifty that the camera could be brought up from any application, by a one second press of the dedicated camera button. A process that is far easier than to exit a program, and head into the camera application, like the process is on some other devices. Very handy to capture a candid shot that requires speed of access to the camera.
 
I liked having a camera phone with a flash, even if some of the camera phone flashes out on the market are useless and white wash photos. The N8's flash was quality for a camera phone and didn't wash out the shot, although it worked best in environments that completely lacked in ambient light.
 
For instance, when all settings were set to automatic, a shot taken in a bedroom with the door shut, captured great depth and colour. This was opposed to a shot of my friends in a bar where the shot was washed out and lacked depth.
 
Camera filters rendered fast and saving the image after making changes to it ranged from instant to up 2 minutes. There are options via the camera menu to share the photograph via email, Bluetooth or MMS, but not Twitter or any other applications, which irked me.
 
It should be noted that modder, HyperX, has worked on a hack to enable 30 fps video recording, higher quality image capture up to 11 MB per image, and has been released to the public. Enable continuous autofocus is another hack by HyperX but it is yet to be released.
 
Overall, love the hardware, but the the firmware lets this phone down.

 

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Johno77 (New user):

What about the graphics rendering?

If you wish to compare processor speeds (in all systems)
in GPU intensive applications this is a MUST!
its 5 times faster than an iPhone? so
does it matter that the CPU is at 68% of others
A quad core PC with a base GPU is a Dog for graphics
If you are going to touch on/comment on performance please be
more professional or say nothing(which is more appropriate)

25 October 2010, 4:34 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheOtherGuy (New user):

You should go back to school and learn some grammar buddy. Your statement and question sounds like it's coming from a moron. What are you trying to say? Graphics rendering, who's gives a rats when it takes a few seconds top open a menu item or application.
Maybe you should say nothing! (that would be more appropriate).

25 October 2010, 6:11 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Clint (New user):

If you don't mind I'll get involved in this "fight" too. First off I am not sure what you are hoping to achieve by attacking this individual's grammar and resorting to name calling. Not all people use English as their first language so you'd do well to keep this in mind in future.

Now that we have that out of the way let's get back to the phone. I have not used the N8 yet as it is not on sale here yet but I have used S60V3 extensively. By all accounts Symbian^3 is a vast improvement over previous versions. Now using that information as the basis I can quite happily conclude that there is no chance in hell it "takes a few seconds to open a menu item"! I sense a little bit of exaggeration.

Something that occurred to me when reading your comment. You appear to have no desire to own an N8 so why bother reading reviews on it? Needing to convince yourself that your current phone is best?

25 October 2010, 6:24 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheOtherGuy (New user):

It's not the grammar that gets me it's a statement like this "or say nothing(which is more appropriate)". The grammar is just the icing on the cake. I've owned a lot of Nokias in my life, they have lost their way and I was hoping the N8 would bring me back to the fold, that's why I'm reading the review.

25 October 2010, 6:57 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Clint (New user):

Fair enough but I understand the poster's frustration. Months before the release of the N8 you had reviewers trashing it based on leaked models with prototype firmware that they had managed to get their hands on. This tone just seems to have continued.

Even in this review, the geek one specifically, a few of the criticisms seem really bizarre and influenced by bias. Let me comment on a few :

"Customisation of the homescreens wasn't as breezy as other handset OSes." - is that really a major issue? How often do you customise your home screens? You are only likely to do this a few times in the life of the phone. Is it really such a negative that it takes a bit of effort to do this? And of course by effort I mean a few key presses.

"The switch between the 3 home screens is slower than that of other operating systems." - I commented on this already. It is my understanding that this is intentional to differentiate between widget scrolling and screen changing. Just because other OS's do it differently does not automatically make this inferior.

"Bring up the keypad, which was alphanumeric when held portrait and QWERTY when held in landscape." - Again this has been done for a reason. Many Nokia fans have become proficient as T9 typing on older keypad models. Nokia is attempting to make the transition easier for them by giving this option here. It apparently also makes one handed typing easier. Of course in an ideal world you'd have the option of T9 or QWERTY and perhaps this will come with a firmware update.

"interface of the application was barebones"; "except I found the interface ugly " - these sorts of comments I will not even bother to comment on as to me functionality is far more important than prettiness. ETC ETC....

When one analyses any N8 review the general consensus is that it is actually an exceptional handset. The tone appears to be a negative one but the only actual complaint ever put forward is that it is not as easy to use as an iOS or Android phone or that the interface is not as "pretty". Again having used Symbian extensively I really cannot see how people an refer to it as complex. Your other options are Apple controlled iOS or Android whose links to Google, although everyone insists it is totally open, are still a little worrying.

25 October 2010, 9:27 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Johno77 (New user):

Thank you for your comments.
I like the N8 but not acknowledging the GPU and it superior performance
is a false statement. Any system must be compared in overall performance
not just ONE chips' clock speed.
So.... something like this would be more appropriate
The N8 runs at 68% compared to other leading smart phones but its GPU is up to 5 times faster. So in fairness, and acknowledging the different OS (system overheads)
This phone could quite easily perform as well or better overall
Please do not confuse this with trolling through menus as the iphones
interface is faster but most apps are slower or do not work.
for example the N95 multiscanner(on N8) for scanning business cards works 95% but I only got the name on a iphone4 and had to type in the rest. Hmmmm... how slow is that?
and the



26 October 2010, 7:18 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Clint (New user):

Great to eventually have someone write a rewiew for the man on the street. I too am a bit of a tech geek so things like 680Mhz processors and RAM interest me but the average man on the street does not even know what these things are.

I have read far too many reviews where the reviewer appears to be pushing their bias for one OS over another onto the reader. Will the average person even be aware that it takes 1/100th of a second longer for the home screens to change? By the way this is apparently done deliberately so the OS can see whether you are scrolling through the scrollable widgets rather than wanting to change home screens. Rather functional if you ask me.



25 October 2010, 4:59 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheOtherGuy (New user):

Agreed, it's a good hands on review with a hands on user opinion.

25 October 2010, 6:17 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (New user):

Isn't it funny, I have been saying all along that what we want is a good phone that works well, not just an apps launcher. The industry seems to have lost its way since the iphone came to be but now I think they have woken up to the fact that what people really want is a good feeling phone with a few tricks but not too overdone.
My iphone 4 - great apps launcher but a shocker of a phone. My old Samsung was a better phone that this..........


25 October 2010, 9:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Clint (New user):

I am in full agreement with your sentiment regarding the iPhone resulting in phone makers losing their way. The great marketers at Apple have managed to convince people what they think they need at the expense of what is really important in a phone. My frustration at the repeated comparison of every single new smart phone to an iPhone knows no bounds!

25 October 2010, 9:27 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

I Geek and I Vote (New user):

Agreed.

However, I would say my iPhone 3GS is not good for much at all really:
- no agenda screen (the day's appointments and tasks)
- shocking call quality compared previous Nokias I have had
- 400,000 apps available, 399,990 of them utterly useless

The N8 might tempt me back to the Nokia fold once the price drops a bit.

I also hope Nokia keep on developing this form factor with both Symbian and Meego or whatever as I miss the Nokia quality and reliability.

25 October 2010, 9:36 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JGrant (New user):

Apple need to make the phone features better I agree.

I have an iphone 3g. Is it just me or does it take a stupid amount of time to look up someone in the contacts and call them?

25 October 2010, 11:15 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

I Geek and I Vote (New user):

No it is not just you.
Do you also have the problem of the phone suddenly deciding to call a contact while you are just about the edit that contact?

BTW the N8 desperately needs the option for qwerty keyboard in portrait mode.

27 October 2010, 12:34 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JGrant (New user):

Oh yeah that's annoying. Also if you need to give someone a new number you have to put it under 'work' or something then change it to 'fax' or whatever it was meant to be the first time. I just do all this stuff in google contacts then let it sync. Using contacts on the phone is the most annoying thing on the phone in my opinion.

27 October 2010, 7:08 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

I used a few Nokia phones, the latest model N8 is an Iphone clone or sort of it.
Now not all people may want to use a complex device like that.
I have relatives and friends that complain of such devices.
Motorola was a leader of the pack with its flip design, Nokia could license it and produce some models for people not wanting to use a touch phone.
I Currently I am using a Nokia N97, I am under a 2 year contract paying a monthly instalment for the phone, excluding the cost of the calls made every month.
When the 2 years will lapse, Nokia will release a new superseded model.
Too bad time for me, I am out of luck.
Now, the specs says the camera is a 12 Mpx. I doubt this will become a replacement for a decent digital camera, as the pictures from mobile phone are fuzzy and will not match the quality of the standard cameras.
Video recording on HD? this must be a joke, again the quality will not match to its counterparts, well dedicated video cameras.
These gimmicks make the phone looking a toy rather than a real useful device.
Some may argue is a convenience if there is neither devices handy, but even more is rather than silly to use the phone that way.
The N95 had a 5 Mpx camera, in the setting there was the possibility to switch off the camera sound, with the N97 there is no such setting to switch off the camera sound.
The phone is slim, but the problem is the reception, inside a supermarket like "better the devil you know" Woolworths, so I have to get out of the place and try to get reception outside.
I think this is the same problems it may have the N8 model, unless Nokia have rectified the problem.
Some features are irrelevant to me, maybe is time for Nokia to go to the drawing board and design something that provides a better reception and not to pursue the Iphone, Nokia must find its own identity to bring better phones without too much fanfare.

25 October 2010, 9:27 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Clint (New user):

Quoting Halcon:
Now, the specs says the camera is a 12 Mpx. I doubt this will become a replacement for a decent digital camera, as the pictures from mobile phone are fuzzy and will not match the quality of the standard cameras.
Video recording on HD? this must be a joke, again the quality will not match to its counterparts, well dedicated video cameras.
These gimmicks make the phone looking a toy rather than a real useful device.


Do some research and you may be surprised... remember you are talking Nokia here and not one of these other wanna-be smart phone manufacturers.


25 October 2010, 9:59 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Johno77 (New user):

Quoting Clint:
Do some research and you may be surprised... remember you are talking Nokia here and not one of these other wanna-be smart phone manufacturers.

Clint you are correct
Halcon please stay on topic (smart phones)
so taking out the inappropriate comparision.... You are saying it is the Best camera phone AND Best HD. For the average person who does not lug their other cameras around this is the best solution on the market today.
I understand... just wanted to make sure every else understood your comment.




26 October 2010, 7:38 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Douglas (New user):

Quoting Halcon:
Now, the specs says the camera is a 12 Mpx. I doubt this will become a replacement for a decent digital camera, as the pictures from mobile phone are fuzzy and will not match the quality of the standard cameras.

This statement would be true if it weren't for the fact that a) it has the largest camera sensor in any phone, b) it has a Carl Zeiss lens (they're pretty good quality) and c) its autofocus.

Here at the Nokia Conversations blog are some example untouched photos from the N8: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/first-12-megapixel-sample-photos-shot-on-nokia-n8-untouched/

If you don't believe Nokia, here's Engadget comparing it to the iPhone: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-camera-showdown/

Quoting Halcon:
Video recording on HD? this must be a joke, again the quality will not match to its counterparts, well dedicated video cameras.

Again, here you go, Nokia Conversations blog: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/28/first-sample-hd-video-captured-on-nokia-n8/

Quoting Halcon:
These gimmicks make the phone looking a toy rather than a real useful device.

Yet the iPhone has video calling, over Wi-Fi only no less, which is touted as an "OMGWTFBBQ!" feature, and many thousands of applications, each with less uses than the last.

Quoting Halcon:
The N95 had a 5 Mpx camera, in the setting there was the possibility to switch off the camera sound, with the N97 there is no such setting to switch off the camera sound.

My E63 doesn't have that setting either. If it does, it's hidden well. In any case, this is an entirely random statement.

Quoting Halcon:
The phone is slim,

The E71 and E72 are slim, I have friends who have them, yet none of them complain that it has antenna faults.

Quoting Halcon:
but the problem is the reception, inside a supermarket like "better the devil you know" Woolworths, so I have to get out of the place and try to get reception outside.

I'm not sure what you're on about here. On a whim, I think you're trying to say "I can't make calls in Woolworths on my N97; I have to go outside and do that". So I'm going to stick to my whim.

If that's the case, the problem is plain and simple: interference from various radio noise in the store. The Wi-Fi networks for the PDT guns they use, their internal cordless phone system (if they have one), hell; they've got a ton of fluorescent tubes in most stores, so they'd probably interfere with any mobile phone too.

And if it's a case of fingers getting in the way, Nokia aren't idiots like Apple (by putting the antennae in an idiotic location), rather they have put its antennas on its top and it's bottom: http://snurl.com/1c5afi (that's the Nokia website illustrating where the antennas are)

Quoting Halcon:
I think this is the same problems it may have the N8 model, unless Nokia have rectified the problem.

If the problem is interference in your Woolworths, Nokia aren't going to fix that.

Quoting Halcon:
Some features are irrelevant to me

But they are relevant to others. You are not the only potential N8 user. Many thousands, if not millions, of people are.

Quoting Halcon:
maybe is time for Nokia to go to the drawing board and design something that provides a better reception

Unless you are getting terrible reception everywhere, then it is not the fault of the antenna in the phone, it is the fault of interference or a terrible network.

Quoting Halcon:
and not to pursue the Iphone,

Apparently the iPhone is the standard which must be met (I beg to differ, but the masses are gullible enough to believe so, so whatever), therefore if they do not go after the iPhone they will not win the hearts of the masses.

Quoting Halcon:
Nokia must find its own identity to bring better phones without too much fanfare.

You may not be aware of this, but Nokia makes most of its money by selling low end handsets to less economically developed countries (the Nokia 11xx series is the biggest selling phone of all time, many millions of which have been and are being sold in LEDCs); not by selling smartphones to more developed countries. I'd say that's their identity: they just make smartphones on the side for a bit extra cash


25 October 2010, 10:18 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

Megapixels, GHz, CPU, GPU, I think you guys are leaving out the important part; How cute is Jenna? Tech journalist AND gamer.

26 October 2010, 10:14 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

vader (New user):

Double post deleted...

26 October 2010, 12:05 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

vader (New user):

Firstly, I am an embedded hardware Engineer. To wade into the processor debate, the system as a whole has to be taken into account. Slow IO (ie. disk access) and an inefficient OS (eg nonpreemptive multitasking) can make the fastest CPU feel laggy. One of the main jobs of a CPU is to push data around. Graphics apps use lots of data (ie. pixels) - if the CPU has to do the work, it will use a significant proportion of its capacity. When you farm the job to a GPU, the CPU can do other things. A fast GPU will make a slow CPU seem much faster, as all the CPU has to do is feed the GPU. The N8 has one of the fastest GPUs out there. This means that, if coded properly, it will farm as much as possible to the GPU, leaving it free to do other things. Symbian has true preemptive multitasking, and the n8 has fast IO (as mentioned in the review). Coupled with the fast GPU, the n8 should be quick. I would imagine a few 1G snapdragons would be quite worried with this combination :)

From a non techy perspective, if the user just wants to take photos,videos, make calls and occasionally read email/look at the web, then this is probably the best phone ever released. If they want to find out Steve Jobs' favourite restaurant via their phone, then choose another phone :^)

26 October 2010, 12:08 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

fervour (New user):

just wanted to say Jenna Pitcher's review on the N8 is the best one I've read yet.. i had the n8 for a week and returned it because of all the frustrating points she described.... and she's hot too.
thanks for the great article.. nokia--step it up.

29 October 2010, 8:57 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Funkez (New user):

Sorry, but I really can't see the critisim either. The customization screen is too slow, cause we need to change the phone dayli to feel alive? The "sceptical" review have so many more upsides than downsides, and the downsides seems like grapping at straws. Jenna, sorry but you are obviously bias. If Nokia had presented the OS as anything but "Symbian" you'd throw everything else in the bin, and never look back.

The 24fps is the professional standard - whyPhones 30 fps (and 560p) is for the amatures. And even while we are not filmmakers, you shouldn't be fooled by a bigger number.

I can't help wonder why everyone still compares phones to Iphone. The 4.th version was outdated-on-release! You get tons af useless apps that doesn't work... but why? The Iphone have one thing going, the "status boost factor". The phone is crap, reception and audio worthless, camara outdated, no innovation at all - it may have some cool party-gimmick apps, and would be my perfered fart soundgenerator, but com'on...

10 November 2010, 10:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Funkez (New user):

Sorry, but I really can't see the critisim either. The customization screen is too slow, cause we need to change the phone dayli to feel alive? The "sceptical" review have so many more upsides than downsides, and the downsides seems like grapping at straws. Jenna, sorry but you are obviously bias. If Nokia had presented the OS as anything but "Symbian" you'd throw everything else in the bin, and never look back.

The 24fps is the professional standard - whyPhones 30 fps (and 560p) is for the amatures. And even while we are not filmmakers, you shouldn't be fooled by a bigger number.

I can't help wonder why everyone still compares phones to Iphone. The 4.th version was outdated-on-release! You get tons af useless apps that doesn't work... but why? The Iphone have one thing going, the "status boost factor". The phone is crap, reception and audio worthless, camara outdated, no innovation at all - it may have some cool party-gimmick apps, and would be my perfered fart soundgenerator, but com'on...

10 November 2010, 10:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Johno77 (New user):

Jenna
unfortunately I agree too...
If you wish to add a personal note to your review fine.
I'm sure everyone would prefer a professional / unbias(free of personal quirks) review.

And on a side note being in the IT industry I often ask people who have only "emotive drive systems instead of a brain"
how does you computer make you feel?
is you relationship in the rocks?
Its a machine.. stop trying to have a relationship with it

The iphone belief system reality check (so we understand what exactly everyone compares it too)

I am always in a hurry and in a rush I need a phone that works that can take a good level of abuse. I really cannot afford to be in the child-care business(dont drop her ... hold her this way.. if I want her to do "anything" I have to pay her). yikes... should have been called the iBrat


13 November 2010, 8:19 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

YMS_1975 (New user):

I've had the N8 for about a month now and while I'm not concerned at all about the fluidity of the menus, I am concerned about the bugs with this smartphone. I'm not much of a techie, nor am I trendsetter. I tend to "keep up with the Jones". I bought this phone, like most, simply because it promised to take great pictures & HD video. I find that the video quality is OK (not great), and maybe it's just my phone but I've noticed that whenever I use the flash, my pictures turn out with white fuzz (almost like noise). Almost under all lighting situations, the flash does not work well and distorts the image(s). It makes no difference if I leave the flash set to "Automatic" or "On". 9 times out of 10 I manually turn off the flash because the picture is just better without it. There is no image stabilization either for still images, which is a real let down considering we're talking about a 12 MP phone/camera. Why not include something as basic as that with a phone that boasts a 12 MP camera? Clearly the MAIN selling point is the camera, so one would think it would include image stabilization....but nope. I've also noticed my phone tends to freeze up (a lot!). Many times I'll select something on my screen and it's non-responsive. It's not that I didn't press the menu/application I wanted to because the green bar (which indicates an item has been selected) shows up but it won't proceed to launch the next menu/application so that's kind of an irritant. I do like the widgets and the large catalogue of apps available for this phone. I'm quite confident that once Nokia releases a major firmware update for this phone it will transform from a mediocre smartphone to one that's, pardon my french, Kick-Ass. :)

13 January 2011, 3:53 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC Editor (Moderator):

thks for this assessment YMS_1975, nothing like hearing from a user who's actually tested the hardware for a while in a real life situation...

13 January 2011, 2:22 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zohaub (New user):

i have n8 and no doubt that its a great cell but also have some negative points like n8 flash light not opened during video recording and a very great defect is in 12 mp camera the colors of photos taken from n8 are not so bright.

25 September 2011, 3:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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