Dell: many users will skip Vista, “go straight from XP to Windows 7”

David Flynn
03 November 2008, 8:50 AM


Michael Dell says he’s working closely with Microsoft on Windows 7 and likes the way the OS is shaping up, but can understand why many people will skip Vista entirely.


Dell Computers founder and CEO Michael Dell says that Microsoft is eager to avoid repeating the mistakes of Vista by working more closely with the PC industry, including his own company, on the evolution of Windows 7.

“We’ve been been involved (with Microsoft) from a very very early stage and are much more pleased with the way the co-operation (around Windows 7) is occurring” Dell told APC at an international media briefing in Shanghai last week.

“I think Microsoft is responding to a lot of the challenges that were present by customers in the XP to Vista transition and so we’re feeling pretty good about that. We’re spending a lot of time with Microsoft on the features and drivers, and ensuring that when we as an industry bring Windows 7 to market that this is something that is widely adopted”.



None the less, Dell understands that Vista wasn’t perhaps the silver bullet the industry hoped for. “We know there are many users that will go straight from XP to Windows 7. We know of customers that are going right ahead with Vista, too, but we also know of customers that are waiting.”

“I think the consumer has obviously already moved to Vista as they buy new PCs, a lot of small to medium businesses have moved to Vista, but larger companies tend to be much more selective, or you could even say slow to move” Dell observes, “although I think you’ll see a fair number of them start to go to Vista as the Service Pack 1 release settles down. A lot of the issues early on, particularly with drivers, have been resolved in a large part”

Dell also tagged the growth in power of home computers as a pain point for companies when people have to work on systems far slower than their own PC.

“As time goes on the PC that consumer buys for home is dramatically better than the PC in the office. When you buy a new PC you get a dual-core or even quad-core processor, a big screen, these great features. Then you go back to the office and it’s ‘Oh!’.”

When APC points out that Michael Dell himself is perhaps an exception to that rule – we’ve seen his desktop monitor, and it’s large enough to warrant its own postcode – he laughs and admits “Yeah, well, we all have pretty good PCs here at Dell!”.

David Flynn travelled to Shanghai as a guest of Dell.

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Raindog (New user):

As time goes on the PC that consumer buys for home is dramatically better than the PC in the office.

Office hardware is more about getting the job done in a reasonable manner. No-one was ever offered a GT as a company car because they may have had something equally as tasty in the shed at home.

It's clearly in Mr Dell's interest to drum up sales of newer and better hardware, and Mr Dell knows all too well he'd miss out on a lot of those sales if he imposed a the strict Vista only policy MS would have wished for.

As for Win7, time will tell how many of the Vista dead-ends it will resolve.

For Win7 to be well received it has to offer returns that will see some real world benefits for the substantial spend to adopt that environment. If Win7 does not deliver on this then it wont just be Vista that is skipped.


03 November 2008, 9:47 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
It's clearly in Mr Dell's interest to drum up sales of newer and better hardware, and Mr Dell knows all to well he'd miss out on a lot of those sales if he imposed a the strict Vista only policy MS would have wished for.

This is certainly just a part of it ............ But not all !
MS is not a marketing clutz as some would have us believe. I read on 'abc.net.au' the other day that laptop sales in the US has surpassed the sales of desktops for the first time in history. Methinks this is one of the reasons that Win7 will be a little slimmer and slicker.
But all the signs are good that the boffins at MS have slowly but surely adopted a strategy that will cooperate with the players out there and have acted on some of the comments left on their forums (specifically mine about codec installation for WMP11) ... :)




03 November 2008, 10:28 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
MS is not a marketing clutz as some would have us believe.

So Vista was just released in the form it appeared for a bet? :>

Quoting Me In Oz:
Methinks this is one of the reasons that Win7 will be a little slimmer and slicker.

one of many reasons, efforts to curb power consumption, favour for small form factor hardware, integration with embedded device, all being reasons to give consideration to OS efficiency.

Quoting Me In Oz:
But all the signs are good that the boffins at MS have slowly but surely adopted a strategy that will cooperate with the players out there

I'd have to agree that there are some signs that MS is addressing some of these issues, and that is promising.
I was also going to say "it isn't easy for a leopard to change its spots", but on consideration realise that could cause grief and concern and confusion to Mac users wondering if they should perhaps downgrade too. :>




03 November 2008, 10:41 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

" .. As time goes on the PC that consumer buys for home is dramatically better than the PC in the office. When you buy a new PC you get a dual-core or even quad-core processor, a big screen, these great features. Then you go back to the office and it’s ‘Oh!’." - M.Dell

I'm glad a large corporation has come out with the facts here !

Businesses will never be the instigator of technological development. It is the single desktop user pursuing gaming/entertainment/publishing/AV editing etc that will demand cutting edge tech.
For what I do on my pc at work, I can still get away with Win 3.11 running Wordperfect and Lotus 123 on a 386 ! .... But there is no way this would suffice on my HTPC at home :D


03 November 2008, 10:19 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
For what I do on my pc at work, I can still get away with Win 3.11 running Wordperfect and Lotus 123 on a 386 !

The penny drops.


Quoting Your Average Joe:
But there is no way this would suffice on my HTPC at home

Again you confuse enthusiasm with necessity, and more importantly with what is truly innovative.


Quoting Your Average Joe:
Businesses will never be the instigator of technological development.

And skaters are the true pioneers of transport innovation. Reality check in aisle four please. :>



03 November 2008, 10:46 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Raindog:
For what I do on my pc at work, I can still get away with Win 3.11 running Wordperfect and Lotus 123 on a 386 !

The penny drops.

I said "I could get away with using this config" ! Not that I'm using it !

Quoting Raindog:
Again you confuse enthusiasm with necessity, and more importantly with what is truly innovative.

Enthusiasm ? Let's do that reality check ...... so you think a 386 running Win 3.11 could be used as a HTPC ?




03 November 2008, 2:37 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
I said "I could get away with using this config" ! Not that I'm using it !

And this relates to my reply how?

Quoting Your Average Joe:
so you think a 386 running Win 3.11 could be used as a HTPC ?

I am sorry I have no way of determining what you think I think, nor how it relates to the previous reply or the skipping of Vista by many. :>


03 November 2008, 3:59 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

DELL is a well known brand of Personal Computers, as the days goes by the computer manufacturer and direct to the customer seller, they want to regain the number one position it held previously by staging a new strategy to sell more computers.
DELL knows well if nobody want to buy its computers with Windows Vista, is Microsoft fault; to lift the sales only a miracle could work in their favour, that's why Dell is eager to see a change for good, will they get their wish for granted or not?
Microsoft could be wisely advised not to underestimate the user base with another half baked product, unjustified prices and stupid conditions for its software.
Microsoft try to fool everyone that this time around it will be a different thing with Windows 7.
If Microsoft persist in being too arrogant imposing restrictions and other measures they believe is to protect their "intellectual property" No one will accept another Vista second edition.
Many people will shift towards Linux and Mac OS, although Linux can't match Windows in all aspects, I believe one day it will.
When that day comes, there will be a big celebration, the battle of the underdogs versus the big monster will be over someday!

03 November 2008, 12:02 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SLi (New user):

Quoting Halcon:
If Microsoft persist in being too arrogant imposing restrictions and other measures they believe is to protect their "intellectual property" No one will accept another Vista second edition.

The perfect example of an arrogant-bum of a company is Apple... they're the gays that put the most restrictions on their products, take for example the igaycrapphone, the inability to upgrade apple products signifantly, the visual restrictions of apple macs...

I will continue to support Microsoft, after all... which OTHER company can produce a REAL OS that can run GAMES?? Microsoft has and still does play THE leading role in innovative technologies. Never underestimate Microsoft or Microsofts power...
Apple sucks at this, even Linux has passed the all-time gay macs in this respect and in many other ways.


Quoting Halcon:
When that day comes, there will be a big celebration...

No, there wont, that day wont come. There wont be a celebration either, because there'll be nothing to celebrate.


Quoting Halcon:
the underdogs versus the big monster...

got that right, apple is certainly the underdog, in so many ways




03 November 2008, 7:38 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff (New user):

Quoting SLi:
I will continue to support Microsoft, after all... which OTHER company can produce a REAL OS that can run GAMES?


I don't know what your definition of a 'real os' is, but there are OSes other than windows than CAN play games. Linux, BSD and yes even Macs are all quite capable of running games. There are even commercial games available that run on these OSes (e.g. UT III) and a multitude of open source games as well and the graphics in these games is starting to get pretty close to what you would expect in a commercial game.

Quoting SLi:
Microsoft has and still does play THE leading role in innovative technologies


And what was their last innovation that was any good? (and don't start prattling on about the ribbon - thats a complete failure, at least at this stage (though I will admit they did think outside the box to get it))
A majority of what seems to be new from MS is just ideas that they have taken from other sources (e.g. Windows Areo that allows window transparencies and partial transparencies has been around in linux for many many years in enlightenment and more recently in Beryl (Compiz) which is still earlier)

04 November 2008, 12:25 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (New user):

Quoting Jeff:
Linux, BSD and yes even Macs are all quite capable of running games.

Giggle !

Rock up to any LAN Party with a Mac or a Linux rig and you'll be the kid sitting outside listening to his iPod while everyone is fragging !

If you want to seriously game ! Then XP/Vista is THE OS !




04 November 2008, 3:04 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Rock up to any LAN Party

sad.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
If you want to seriously game !

sad with added oxymoron.


05 November 2008, 12:27 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting SLi:
which OTHER company can produce a REAL OS that can run GAMES??


Uh, all of them? It's the game publishers that fail to port games or code them in a cross platform way. There's no reason not to, but everyone seems to pick the vendor lock-in option.

Quoting SLi:
Microsoft has and still does play THE leading role in innovative technologies.

To me, the word lead means to be first and in front... And innovative means clever and new... Neither of which spring to mind with regard to most MS products.

04 November 2008, 10:32 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sneaky Pete (New user):

All hail the new King !

Vista/XP are dead. Forget Linsux/Macrap all hail the new King

Windows 7 Ultimate x64

Try the best and forget the rest.

05 November 2008, 1:52 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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