End of the PC era? Don't make me laugh.

James Bannan
12 July 2007, 9:55 AM


Mac users just don't get it. Microsoft is an innovation powerhouse and its decline is a fantastical pipe dream.


Dirty tricks: the APC team has been wrestling hard over this issue of whether the era of the PC is over.Dirty tricks: the APC team has been wrestling hard over this issue of whether the era of the PC is over.

Well. There has been some spirited debate on this site over the last couple of days, with Danny’s opinion piece arguing the era of innovation in the PC is over, followed closely by Peter’s rebuttal. Everyone seems to be having so much fun in the mud pit that I thought I might jump in too.

The whole Windows vs Mac vs Microsoft vs Apple argument has been gone into so many times before. And yet, like the argument whether the Earth was created 6,000 years ago or 4.5 billion years ago, here we are again.

At the outset, I want to make two statements. Firstly, I feel that Danny’s piece (while eloquently written and argued) openly ignores a swathe of facts, makes incredibly broad generalisations and drawing the loftiest conclusions from the flimsiest evidence.

Secondly, Peter allowed himself to get drawn into those same sweeping conclusions and unjustifiably conceded far too much ground to Danny.

Danny lost me at hello, so to speak, with his opening statement about “... Microsoft continues to struggle on all fronts except Windows and Office.”

Let’s be clear – if you want to assess how a company is performing compared to another one, you can't start out by excluding its two main consumer products.

Windows is the, repeat the, dominant desktop operating system on the planet. And not just by a small margin either. And Office is the dominant desktop productivity suite out there.

What iPods are to MP3s, PCs are to computing and Office is to business.

Innovation

To be fair, Danny's article wasn't suggesting that the PC is dead, but rather that the era of innovation in the PC is over -- and that most innovation is happening elsewhere.

However, to look at the iPhone and declare that Microsoft has lost is on a par with noticing that the sky appears to meet the horizon and therefore the Earth is flat.

One person’s "innovation" is another person’s criticism. Try and apply the label “innovative” to a product in a way which would meet with uniform agreement with anyone you met. It’s impossible.

Personally, I’ve never bought an Apple product because I think they look like pretentious pieces of plastic, and that for every Apple product out there, someone else has produced a product which functions the same if not better and looks a damn sight slicker too.

At least 6% of the global PC market doesn’t agree with me, but I’m not losing any sleep over that.

If we have to talk about the iPhone, I would argue that a unit which you have to send off to get the battery changed isn’t exactly pushing back the boundaries of innovation. Although getting people to pay good money for it is a triumph of marketing.

But now we get to what I think is Danny’s main point – which is that because Microsoft is so strongly tied to Windows and Office products and has seemingly failed to innovate in these areas compared with what it managed in the past, that it has now missed the boat when it comes to general innovation in the IT industry and that it can only follow where others lead.

The truth of that statement is simply a matter of perception. For it to be true, you would have to assume that neither Windows Vista nor Office 2007 are innovative products, and you’d be dead wrong. In fact, I’ve written quite a few pieces for APC on how Office 2007 is so radically different that companies are facing considerable retraining costs before the benefits start flowing in. Yes, the new UI for Office is a great improvement over the cluttered mess that is in previous versions of Office, but then, everybody has learned the old interface of Office -- this round of innovation by Microsoft actually makes it quite difficult for an organisation to adopt.

Perhaps the reason Vista and Office 2007 are not perceived as "innovative" for home users is that the areas (under the hood) where Microsoft has truly innovated are simply not that exciting. What home users see is a flashy new semi-transparent user interface - ho hum.
A new “ribbon” in Office instead of drop-down menus? Yawn.

But look at it from a different perspective for a moment. Modular OS structure, high levels of stability and granular security policies which no other OS offers? Now you’re talking. 1000 copies across 10 sites please. You can't manage an OS X machine remotely over a network -- there are vendors that offer some level of manageability for Mac, but it's all expensive third-party stuff that Microsoft includes for free.

Microsoft vs Apple

The fact is that when you compare Microsoft and Apple, you’re not comparing like with like.

Being a company fortunate enough to have a popular product implies a level of responsibility to past, present and future customers. The more popular the product, the greater the responsibility. Microsoft has a responsibility to over 90% of home desktop users and even more than that in business markets. Apple doesn’t. Apple can afford to push boundaries which may or may not pay off for them because, quite frankly, who cares? If they get it wrong, who’s it really going to affect? They have that luxury and more power to them. They’re doing a good job and I hope they keep it up.

In comparison, Microsoft’s decisions have implications on a global scale and its innovations have to be in accordance with that reality.

That’s not to say that Microsoft innovation is crippled by compromise, lethargy or inertia, but rather that it innovates in areas where it really, really matters, rather than what’s simply going to be a popular money-spinner.

Yes, they throw money into plenty of other areas too - Zune, Xbox/Xbox360, gaming, hardware. Some of it’s good and some not so good, but just because you might think that Microsoft doesn’t do as good a job at search engines as Google, develop better MP3 players than Apple or gaming consoles than Sony, why should Microsoft keep out of those markets altogether? And why is it indicative of their imminent decline?

That’s a type of brand-loyal elitist blinkered arrogance which seems to be increasingly accepted but is actually quite nauseating.

When you watch Steve Jobs and Bill Gates speaking together, you’re not looking at men whose respective companies are slugging it out in the same weight division. If Jobs says that “…the era of the PC is largely over”, whose interests do you think he’s serving by making that statement? Yours? The IT industry’s? Don’t be naïve.

We're in the post-PC era? Not a chance.

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```Gra````````````:

Of all the articles, this is by far the best written. I was starting to think everyone here was a blind apple fanboy.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Common Sense:

I can sense this article will become veeery popular for both sides... anyone wanna put $$$ on it? Odds on 10000000000:1 :P

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous127:

Excellent Article! 'Gra' is right - its great to see someone that isn't totally 'awed' by the apple marketing machine.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

VeryAnonymous:

I was worried that this was just another poorly written, openly bias, blind apple fanboy article.
I am, however, relieved to know that there are WELL written, SUBTLY bias, blind MICROSOFT fanboy articles still out there. Add some more hard to understand metaphors in there and I'm sure that the Microsoft simpletons will all just eat it up. Me? I'm going to take my "pretentious piece of plastic" for a spin on safari... Oh, and Explorer? -Don't bother trying to keep up. Hehe

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Harris:

God, what happened? Did all the APC applfites take a day off! The problem with the Apple mob (APC Fakes) is simple this... thay like to create and live in a MYTH! Show the dips any real facts about how the market is moving and all you get back is another fake story to get all the fanboys wet.. the last BS was a mini iPhony..? BAH!

A look at the sales of Vista & Office shows it braking new records... now thats why M$ has lots of $$$$ to take on just about anything.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

We didn't do a story on the mini iPhone rumour.


29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Applephite and MSphobe:

It is "ApplePHITE" I guess your spell checker is broken or just has an added "design feature"

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

PaulM:

I just want to repeat my commentry from yesterday as it is relevant to this article. I like it because it is straighforward.

Vista is a TOOL. Some people like it, some don't. You choose what you prefer. There is NO BETTER system. There is BETTER SYSTEM FOR YOU. Chris prefers OS X, Mike likes Vista and John likes XP. Everybody is happy. I like XP, I am thinking about Vista but I am also considering OS X.

I am just doing research on the net to find out, which TOOL will work for me. That is all. More constructive discussions help all of us. Lets go back to the topic from the article and share your experience on Vista but be constructive. Talk about facts not emotions! Be professional.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Very Anonymous:

If you aren't planning on using it to have fun, please don't pick OS X as your TOOL. I like being in the minority- no one writes nasty virus's for my Mac, I stand out in a crowded local coffee shop, and the biggest threat to my computer is a power surge from the lightning storm I'm typing this in write now. I guess what I'm trying to say is, get a PC, I don't want anyone like you (TOOL TOOL TOOL) to get a Mac when you can go to the store and buy a blunt hammer for half the cost, without raising the percent of Mac users in the world and making us more likely to be targeted by hackers.
P.S. -get Vista, it can't even run 1/2 of the online games... really emphasize your "TOOLiness" 

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan:

I find your response very entertaining. The OS X is just a tool regardless of your opinion. There are nasty viruses that impact the OS X security holes, but due to the low volume of computers it doesn't make CNN. There is no arguement that Windows is a high interest target for hackers, but that's because of it's prominant use in both private and government sectors. However, you as a Mac user should be darned thankful to Microsoft and for Windows. Because of their exposure to hackers and having the responsibility to quickly respond through innovative solutions, other OS's like OS X have learned and addressed their own weaknesses to protect you in the minority computer sector. If the situation were reversed and Mac and OS X were at the top like Windows, Microsoft would be using the lessons learned by Mac.

Funny, your arrogance and blind loyalty to Mac, or more to the point jealousy of Microsoft, has blinded you to the primary strength of Mac.....MARKETING. Internal hardware and Operating system aside, like most Mac users I know, you fall prey to marketing schemes and flashy designs that fail to architecturally fit into most interior design schemes. Most people don't want their computer to stand out above everything else in the house. But, because of their marketing, the Mac thrives on standing out. I must say that this is pure marketing genius. Unfortunately it fails to consider the end users needs. Hey, don't get me wrong, the Mac computer case designs rock for a very ultramodern office space. But 1) how many businesses use Macs, and 2) how many homes have interior design conducive to Mac type of computer cases?

On top of this all, I find the Mac notebooks I see in public places like airports, libraries, train stations, etc.. very irritating. It may be the obtrusive notebook design, but more often it's that the Mac user is more busy looking around at who is looking at them rather than working or doing anything useful with their "bling toy". I think you said it best, "I stand out in a crowded local coffee shop". Oh snap, I guess that supports my supposition.


29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jackjeff:

There are hundreds of arguments in both ways to favor using a mac or a win/pc. The bottom line is that you have to use what best suit your needs as an individual or a company.

The fact that people do not bother to write viruses on Mac and there are pletora of them on Windows is a good argument in favor of using a Mac.

However I fail to see what MacOS X has borrowed from Windows security approach. To be fair, not until Vista, there was nothing to borrow from Windows. If anything, MacOS X borrowed its security model from Unix, which sounds like old ideas and still were not implemented in Windows XP. The most basic one being not run your computer as root/admin by default...

Now Vista bring a lot of new stuff in this area, but so far nothing has been back-ported to Mac. So saying that MS contributed to improve security on other systems because they were a prime targe is wrong. I

f anything, they actually contributed to the contrary. If you're using a Mac you have a "false" sense of security because no one bother exposing you to threats. The most blatant example is that despite a few "full of concepts" viruses/worms and the fact that Apple did not even address the issues... no one actually bothered to change them into real world threat viruses/worms/adcrapware. And it would have been particularly easy to do so.

As for the marketing thing, there is some truth in what you say. But as much as I do understand the reasons why a company would not consider MacOS X for an option (lack of standard software like office, hardware prices, configuration of large networks... ) those problems are radically different from home users. I for instance do not care about MS Office compatibility, complex network crap support and so on. All I wish is a very user friendly interface which increase my productivity and I do not care about the rest of the world or so called industry standard. What I do on my computer involves browsing the Web, no gaming and writing occasional (ISO/STL) C++ code or office documents. For me, and only me, using a mac is a benefit. I do use Windows at work, because then, it is also a benefit. Everything is a tradeoff. At the end of the day, you need to choose the tool that best satisfies your needs.

As for the notebook desing being annoying. I just fail to understand. There's nothing so flashy about it (plain gray aluminum or white case.. ). And the fact that users look around to check if they are watched is just a trick of your imagination.




29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Slippery Jim diGriz:

I design primarily Windows based infrastructures for a living, and have built/run Windows environments for over a decade. Apple don't stand a chance in the corporate environment at the moment, in fact the only time I have ever come across an Apple machine at work was about 7 years ago during a stint at Channel 4 Television in London.

My own laptop? A MacBook Pro - nuff said.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

StimpyCat:

Having used Windows for a very long time, even right back to the old text based Windows 1.0 on my XT, and having used a lot of Unix flavours, Linux flavours and even Macs I have to say that I think the MS invation stopped a long time ago. Regardless of which OS everyone 'thinks' is better (most Windows users haven't used a Mac since the Apple II) it does come down to which one does the job at the time. For a long time Windows did do the job, but they sat back and Linux got big and smart and Apple produced OSX knowing the leverage they could get. All the things that Windows now has Linux has had for years (pre XP) and OSX has been able to bring to the table and very sleekly at that. MS can only now spend their time fixing bugs and hacks while trying to keep the masses happy (yes the others have to fix bugs too, but I see far more release upgrades than fixes). Everyone else has been able to inovate and move forward, something MS think they have done with Vista but really they have only tried to play catch up. MS will never die we all know that, but their rein has to come to an end eventually and that decent has started. In another 5 years they will still have their market share, all be it a lot smaller.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Wes:

MS has a good grip on the corporate world and that will keep them for a while because people are going to be slow to change. Maybe they have reached their plateau but only time will tell.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

PaulM:

Vista is catching up other systems. They are not so innovative in this area although they are strong in business sectors. I think that they just don't have enough motiviation... they have a lot of money from enterprise solutions, big market share. That is why it took them so long to bring a new system on board.

About innovations, can you tell me why it is so difficult to find a desktop PC like iMac? I would like to buy one. I saw SONY have one, but what about others? Why they still sell so many big towers configurations nowadays?

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Johann Lo:

a.) no mention of enterprise
b.) no mention of linux (see point a.) above)

The IT world does not revolve exclusively around consumer products. The article does home computing nerds no favours and contributes to the conveyer belt of people who regard think of themselves as IT geeks but in reality are PC or Mac geeks with no idea of the big stuff.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:


At D5 it was clear that Jobs and Gates get on well and that the two companies interact on quite a few levels. It seems to be mainly the customers who have this Microsoft versus Apple thing with such gusto.

I concur with the thrust of this article. However, OS X Leopard will come in one version only, and that one version will cost US$129. With the various versions of Vista, Microsoft has made life harder for itself in terms of maintenance, patches etc. Microsoft also could have made the UAC side of things less obtrusive etc. I'm looking forward to seeing Vista Service Pack 1 coming out one day as well as Leopard. Then and only then, will I make up my mind about how I'm going to upgrade my hardware.

It is entirely possible that I might even buy an Apple Mac and put Vista on it as many Microsoft employees do. How about that, I'd have a foot in both camps (no pun intended)?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kaf:

I have 2 main problems with this article. (and lots of little one's which I won't bother mentioning)

1.Mentioned was Microsoft's 'innovation' under the hood, including increased stability.
Well just today a salesperson came into my workplace trying to sell me some kind of wireless card and he was demonstrating his product on his vista laptop.
A minute into his demonstration, while he wasn't even doing anything with his laptop, the screen went black and declared a fatal error.
It seems Vista's innovation and stability under the hood consists of changing the blue screen of death to a black screen, and providing a marginally better and equally useless description of the error in the form of stack dump information.

I am a sys admin in a combined linux/mac network and I am yet to see either OS die as spectacularly as I witnessed Vista do today.

Also was mentioned modular design as a form of innovation. How come it wasn't innovation when linux did it last decade?

2."You can't manage an OS X machine remotely over a network -- there are vendors that offer some level of manageability for Mac, but it's all expensive third-party stuff that Microsoft includes for free. "

What are you on mate? Read up a bit on OSX server. It provides all of the management tools ms provides, much of which are open source linux derivatives due to osx's unix heritage (with the exception of a fancy mac GUI to make life easier) plus most of these tools work with any windows machines you have the misfortune to have on your network.

This article is just as misinformed as the previous ones on this issue. It's just better written.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Very Anonymous:

"This article is just as misinformed as the previous ones on this issue. It's just better written."

Well said! I could do what this person did and look up a couple of large synonyms and throw some complex metaphors into an article, then cleverly weave my opinion into it and more likely than not, within 24 hours of posting it on the web, have a few hundred simpletons bobbing their heads and agreeing that because; in the words of this fellow's clever little metaphor, "the sky appears to meet the horizon, the Earth is flat."

With all this virtual crap being spewed out there seems to be only one conclusion to be made: this guy must just be a major cheapo:
"Personally, I’ve never bought an Apple product because I think they look like pretentious pieces of plastic, and that for every Apple product out there, someone else has produced a product which functions the same if not better and looks a damn sight slicker too."

Yeah, ok... we all know that despite the fact that Microsoft has stolen---oh, I mean CREATED a slicker skin for itself, it feels exactly the same getting the news from a fatal error window that looks 'slicker' So yeah, I am going to my local apple store, I am buying another "pretentious piece of plastic", and I am certain that this one will last for seven years (as my current 7 yr old Apple laptop did) and still be running the latest software (As this one is) when I get another new one 14 years from now. ;()
WHAT?

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brett:

Everybody here, if you like Windows or if you like Mac, shut the hell up. This is becoming an argument with both sides arrogantly stating that their OS is king and that the other side is bunch of "[insert OS X/WINDOWS here] fanboys." First off, it all depends on what you're doing. if you are a student, play games, work on homework, and listen to tunes Windows is the way to go. Yes, you need good hardware to run Vista, but if you have the hardware, IT WILL TAKE WHAT YOU THROW AT IT. At least I can upgrade my hardware and not have a problem to a Vista box (the upgrade went without any problems). OS X is good for doing the basics in addition to music, graphics, and video editing. Macs in general lack the hardware and 3rd software-- face it, you are stuck with "iLife". But please, if you want the wave of the future we need to look else ware... Linux. And no Mac users, you are NOT THE MINORITY, stop trying to feel special, you aren't. Linux is the wave of the future because of two simple facts: it's free, and it's open source. Looking around the entire world, you realize that not everyone can afford to spend $100s of dollars on operating systems. With the "one laptop per child" initiative, do you think they chose Vista/OS X? No, they chose Linux. Eventually, when people realize they can do everything on a Linux distrobution that they can with OS X or Windows, and that they can do it for free, they will abandon ship. Open source means ANYBODY can contribute, and Linux/Unix distributions are updated multiple times before anything is done on the Microsoft/Mac front. Besides, if it really is about looks, has anybody seen beryl? Beryl looks sexier than anything I've ever seen. Period. So please, shut up everybody with the "mac vs. PC" wars because, the truth is, Microsoft and Mac aren't going away any time soon. All it will take is the next wave of youngsters who will hopefully choose Linux/Unix systems because of its attractive price (free). If that happens, we may see a day where every useful piece of software is open source and free. THAT my friends, is more beautiful than anything I could imagine coming from Microsoft/Mac.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mrlirwin:

Brett, I must agree that these responses are getting pretty lame, on all sides. I am a Windows user, and yet am embarrassed to associate myself with the needlessly destructive comments spewing from win (and mac) users. Let's get a grip on reality, everyone! These are just operating systems we're talking about (or companies, if you wish). Whether you prefer win or mac or linux at least we can agree that the presence of competition is aiding development and innovation on all fronts. It would be great to discuss the factual merits and down-falls of each os. But let’s do it do it civilly –respecting that divergent opinions will (thankfully) always exist.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Thavith:

I agree too, except...

1) I think (or hope) the future belongs to Apple, MS, Linux and FreeBSD (and maybe some amazing OS we don't know about yet - like AmigaOS), the future isn't just open source, but a good healthy mix. Apple and MS aren't the enemy, they are just companies trying to make money. The open community benefits from them and Apple and MS benefit from the open community too...
I'd like to see a world where all OS's share similar market share. Yes, a bigger dream than MLK's, but still, it's nice to dream.

2) There are lots of 3rd party apps for the Mac. Just do a quick look on the net and you'll get the idea. Check out VersionTracker or MacUpdate for instance. The Apple site gives you an idea too, they have a download section there that links to a few as well.

I'd say, if you play the very latest games or have existing (good) h/w, check out XP (or Vista, but only if DX10 is required).

If you do anything else, at least check out a Mac.

29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

debiant:

I manage the IT for a company wich has 4000 staff. We could not do what we do with OSX. OSX (server) has many rudimentary tools (yes we have a few Mac's knocking about too) but they dont come close to the tools in windows server system for management, remote deployment etc, and yes you have to pay for it...

However the most important reason why windows will remain king (at least in the business sector) are the applications that run on it. In our case (our) proprietary database systems, and the Sharepoint Office System.

Despite the "vista's not stable" nonsence, properly set up it is very stable,unless of course you have forced it to use a beta or incorrect driver.

The reality is that OSX, Windows and Linux will be around for sometime at about the same level of uptake.

Most of our PC's run windows. Most of our servers run windows. My wife has a Mac and I use Ubuntu/Vista. Variety is the spice of life.



29 February 2008, 8:45 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mucho Anonymous:

I personally think it is machines like
the PES3 and XBOX360 that will become
the home computer of choice.

Most home computers are used for games
writing emails and browsing the internet
with maybe some picture and movie editing.
Something the new consoles are more than capable of doing.

They are easy to use and they do the job required just add a wireless keyboard with
a modern HD lcd tv, or dedicated monitor.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Echo:

Guys, the most important thing about the OS is if you get you job done the way you want. The average user lets say my dad doesn't care about the OS just if he can surf the web and print a few photos on his imac. I mean what's the point of this age old debate. We should all be doing our assignments and reports better as the personal computer was designed to help the human race not to create pointless arguments.

I personally use Mac OS X, Windows Xp and Fedora Core 7 on a Macbook but in the real world the teachers don't mark you on your OS just the quality of the work. Instead of spending pointless time typing when I should be doing an essay on lightning I have typed this. That's ten minutes gone. But seriously you should be happy with your OS and enjoy it. Don't flaunt it out.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jake dixon:

i completely agree, Windows is by far the most popular OS on the earth and Office is the most popular suite on the face of the world.

I hate apple altogether. If anyone ever hands me an iPhone or a Mac or an iPod, I will throw it on the ground and hope that it's broken.

My grandma's work gave me a mac and the first thing i did was pull the case off it solder it to make sure the processor would short out and turn it on and guess what, it didn't work after that.

So i dragged it out of the house and chucked it in the pool then dragged it back out and dried it and plugged it back in then i got the sledge hammer and smashed the S*** out of it. (it was fun)

Anyway, I love microsoft and hope that they keep up the good work.



29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kabeer (New user):

for all usages of PC :(internet, multimedia, word processing, applications) mobile devices are replacing the PC very gradually. now is the initial stage of the forthcoming end of PC era, and this is initialized by iOS and Android OS. with more mobile devices coming with more processing power and memory, they will surely eventually replace the usage of PCs.

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