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David Flynn17 September 2006, 9:59 PM

Office 2007 for Mac will have an all-new UI that borrows from the Ribbon concept in Office 2007 for Windows, along with XML file formats and of course Universal Binary code. The bad news? It's not due for another year.


officemacbox-80.jpgMicrosoft's next-gen Office suite for the Mac is being given a top-to-toe refit in readiness for its debut in the third quarter of 2007.

On the surface is a revised interface which borrows ideas from the Office 2007 for Windows 'ribbon' and has already been radically changed due to user feedback. The new versions of Word, Excel and PowerPoint will all adopt the native XML file formats of their Windows siblings.

And, the program is of course being rebuilt as an Intel-friendly Universal Binary application.

As is convention for the Office family, at this early stage the product is known only by its version number as 'Office 12'. "That won't be the name it goes to market with -- we'll have something brilliant, like the year it launches, as the name!" laughs Mary Starman, group product manager for Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU).

"Typically we release about 6-8 months after Windows Office, and they've announced general availability in the January timeframe, so we would be 6-8 months after that." If her timetable holds firm, the program that will likely be christened as 'Office 2007' will touch down between July and September of 2007 -- around three and a half years since the arrival of Office 2004 in March of that year.

Microsoft's 130-odd Mac developers have already reached the halfway mark in their marathon march, Last month, they completed the transition to Apple's Xcode, which forms the basis for the Universal binaries that are compatible with new Intel-based Macs as well as older PowerPC machines.

"This was a huge milestone for us" Starman says with equal parts pride and relief. "We had to move from the CodeWare compiler, we were dealing with millions of lines of code and we still had old code that was written in Assembly, so it's been a long process to switch everything over and for our developers to learn the new tools. Everyone has been working very hard on the transition, it's been literally all hands on deck".

Being able to sidestep the Rosetta translation layer which enables Power PC applications to run under the Intel architecture should in itself deliver a significant speed boost to Office 12. "We haven't been able to do any benchmark tests because we're not at code complete, so it's pretty hard to do performance tuning yet, but it should end up being quite a bit faster" Starman predicts.

The next milestone in the road to Office 12 will be when the new UI and features are finally baked into the suite and it's declared 'code complete', which Starman says is "normally about six months before release".

While Office 12 will likely see three major beta releases there are currently no plans for a widespread public beta program as has been done with Office 2007 for Windows.

"Being such a small group we tend to do a smaller beta program with just a handful of corporate customers around the world. We'll usually refresh the build they have about three times, but it's not likely for this release that we'll do a broad public beta where everyone can go and muck around."

Of course, Mac users are already having their say about the next version of Office. "We get a lot of people asking 'Are you going to do that ribbon thing?'" says Starman, in relation to the innovative yet controversial ribbon interface of Office 2007 for Windows, which was aimed at removing the reliance on deeply-nested menus and making existing features more 'discoverable'.

"We will be doing a UI refresh" Starman confirms, "but it won't be exactly like you see in Office 2007. It just wouldn't make sense. Apple has got their own very specific set of user interface guidelines and we try to first and foremost to follow those guidelines. If we can innovate on top of that and do some interesting things to make sure that the interface is really discoverable for the Mac user, then we'll look at doing that. We can get some ideas (from the ribbon) but it still has to fit within Apple's UI guideline, that's what a Mac user wants to see" Starman says.

"There's also a lot of speculation in the Apple developer community about the UI changes that will come in Leopard, too, and what are we all going to have do when we see those changes."

Design and usability testing on the Office 12 interface is already underway in the MacBU labs at Redmond and Cupertino, and the team has already made one trip back to the drawing board based on user feedback.

"We have usability experts and usability labs at both of our campuses, and we're spending a lot of time bringing people through for each iteration of the UI. That's part of why it's changing so much right now" explains Starman.

"We had what we thought was going to be this perfect UI solution, and the first time we put it in the labs, no-one understood it! It was so different they were completely confused! We just finished up another round of usability testing on the new UI yesterday, and the program manager said the difference is like night and day".

Perhaps the most vital issue for any version of Office is compatibility with previous editions. This holds doubly true on the Mac platform, where people sharing files with Windows users expect total fidelity in formatting, formula and other document deal-breakers.

"One of the big things we're working on for the next version of Office is picking up the new XML file formats of Office 2007 for windows" says Starman. "As (the Office for Windows team) get through chunks we port things over, but we won't be able to do our final testing on file formats and compatibility until they release office 2007" she offers to account in part for the long wait to the next Mac release of Office.

However, the Mac team isn't concerned that the ability of Intel-based Macs to run Windows, and thus the Windows version of Office, might eat into their market. "Mac customers would prefer to run a native version of Office on their Mac" says Sheridan Jones, Lead Marketing Manager for the MacBU "We don't expect and I don't think Apple expects lots of their customers and our customers to be running the Windows version of Office on their Mac."

"But BootCamp and Parallels open up a lot of opportunities for people to run some of the applications that we're not able to port over, if they need Access or Project for example."

David Flynn met with the MacBU team during his visit to Seattle for Microsoft's 2006 Hardware Launch as a guest of Microsoft.


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Hurtlepuss:

I find that Entourage is very disappointing, in that if one sends 'jpg files to many PCs at least half, probable older versions of Windows software, are unable to display the .jpgs. The problem is so bad that I have had to switch to Apple Mail, with its ability to send Windows Friendly files, so that almost all members of our Cat Clubs can see .jpg files. It seems a pity that MS is unable to make files compatible between platforms. I have also had some problems sending word files, but this can easily be overcome by pasting the document into the Emails

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Personally I can't believe it's going to take them another year to do this. (Though admittedly the PPC version works pretty well on Intel-based Macs.)

I also wonder whether Exchange connectivity will be any better in Entourage 2007. It's still woeful in the current version.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brandon Wardlaw:

The PPC version works decent enough on my MacBook Pro - though it gives me an annoying "Framework Error" message every time I open an Office application.

I can't wait for a newer version, though.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MC:

I am getting the same annoying error - is this something I need to worry about? Does it still work adequately if I deal with the error message?

Thanks, MC

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ralph:

Hi, I had the same error and solved it by installing the update at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908466

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stefan Constantinescu:

The Mac needs One Note period.

I had a Mac for 3 months and I couldn't find anything remotley similar to One Note.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bob:

I find it curious that MS continues to invest the energy of Office on OS X. I guess that I don't know how hard it is to port to OS X on intel - it might be simple relative to PPC.

This really solidifies OS X as a solid choice for work and play. Of course, if a .NET runtime on OS X was ever released by MS, this would radically open up OS X to a world of opportunity. Some may disagree but I wonder when it will happen.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

The next gen MS Office Live service apps could leverage WPF/E for rich cross-platform web UIs.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mack:

MS puts "extra features" which aren't fully tested on the Mac versions of Office so that the Macs running it will be less stable and people will want to use Windows to run Office...at least that's their plan. I'd just assume MS couldn't make anything stable (have you seen Windows? they can't!) and stay further from their stuff. Use NeoOffice (neooffice.org). It's free and interoperable with MS Office stuff.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Somebody That Would Like To Remain Anonymous:

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page is an opensource .NET implementation available for Mac OS X. Although there is some work still in porting, it should still be a lot easier.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chris Giddings:

We use Office pretty extensively. I'm happy to hear the transition to Xcode has been going well, and I certainly look forward to getting my hands on a copy of MacOffice (whatever they name it) the day it pops up in my local AppleStore.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jason:

if you think exchange is implemented poorly on entourage, try using it on outlook. it is pretty poor on its own. as for onenote, try the notebook feature. i don't know which came first, onenote, or the notebook feature in word for mac, but they look very much alike.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David F:

If you're suggesting that Exchange is not well implemented in Windows with Outlook, you must be living on another planet. I use both Outlook and Entourage. Exchange is seemlessly integrated with the Exchange Server. Entourage leaves out tons of information.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom A:

The Office 2007 for Windows version of Outlook could have done with more design and development, yet it does integrate seamlessly with Exchange. Entourage is pathetically poor in comparison, and Apple's Mail is better in this regard. Surely Microsoft can make significant improvements to Entourage for the 2007 release.

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ross from Australia:

I am a PC user and would love to migrate to Mac, however Entourage doesn't accept appointments from Outlook users and I can't synchronise my BlackBerry with Entourage (I can syncronise with Outlook)

29 February 2008, 8:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ron in Canada:

The blackberry has had full synchronization with Entourage for a while now. The software can be downloaded from the blackberry website for free. As we would never use a microsoft internet application on windows, Outlook (LookOut?) sync is out of the question for us. The way blackberry syncs with mac is the main reason we are switching our sales department onto macs.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hunt:

I have had no issue accepting or sending appointments, however neither is true of the tasks function

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

I agree with Stefan - I'd ~love~ to see OneNote on the Mac platform! Alas, the MacBU team would not be drawn on any detail of the suite apart from what I reported here (which also made screenshots a no-go, especially as the UI is still a work in progress).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jason Chen:

I love Office for Mac! It's the #1 reason to use the Mac I reckon. It does so much more nice stuff than Office for Windows.

Who needs Outlook when you've got Entourage? It's a much more rounded package.

Also Microsoft has excelled in terms of integration with OS X ... it's very well integrated. They've taken full advantage of Spotlight, etc.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ian King:

Office 2007 on Windows has sensational graphing abilities etc... it can really make your documents look like they've been through a graphic design department.

Office:Mac 2007 had better have all that too or there's gonna be some very pissed MacBU customers.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Jason (6): OneNote was released alongside Office 2003 in late 2003, while I believe Word's notepad feature debuted in Office 2004 (released March 2004).

I love the notepad and inbuilt audio recording of Word 2004 - and I am very envious every time Dan Warne sits next to me at a press briefing and fires up both of these on his MacBook Pro (well, I also get narked that his Apple notebook wakes so quickly from slumber while my Windows XP laptop behaves like you're trying to rouse it from a year-long coma).

Anyway, I was looking fwd to Microsoft rolling those features into the next version of Word, yet when Word 2007 came around (probably would have been Word 2005 or 2006 if not for the UI refresh and if Vista had shipped earlier) they were not in sight.
That said, OneNote and Word are very different (in fact, quite complementary) apps. OneNote is more for random or semi-organised scribblings, collecting info from all manner of sources on all manner of topics, in a multi-layer form that's superior to the flatter and more doc-centric approach of the typical word processor.

By way of example, when I was attending the Microsoft hardware launch last week I had a single tab in the notebook for that event and then pages under this for each product or briefing,and into that I typed all my notes along with ref'd links to relevant online content; I also added a tab for MacBU stuff, which contained pages for stuff scribbled during the Messenger and Office briefings. Then I used Word to assemble these raw ingredients and craft each of the finished articles.

I reckon that OneNote for the Mac would prove an incredibly popular app. I'd even suggest that if Microsoft rolled it into Office:mac 2007 it would be the hero app, especially for laptop users, and perhaps the deal-breaker for upgraders from Office 2004 (not discounting Universality, refreshed UI goodness and whatever else the MacBU team have cooking away).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MickeyMoo:

I'm surprised at how many mac users are so isolated from the idea of cross platform colaboration. I've worked in companies with 30 mac users and 4 PC users and it was impossible to find a decent and afforable cross platform calendaring application (keyword affordable) We could have gone with outsourced Exchange since we were evaluating a new mail server - but it would have required all new licences for our Office users since the Exchange support was so miserable in the previous versions that were otherwise serviceable.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Omar:

"I had a Mac for 3 months and I couldn’t find anything remotley similar to One Note."

Try File > Project Gallery > Word Notebook

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tim Gaden:

It would be fantastic if Mircosoft does produce a new UI more in sympathy with Apple's own user guidelines and overall look.

Still, when I read “We will be doing a UI refresh”, I'm afraid that I fear no thorough-going remake.

Lots of people that I know dislike using Office:mac simply because it "doesn't fit". It seems odd to miss a chance like this to correct that.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

It would be fantastic if Apple produced software UIs more in sympathy with its own user guidelines and overall look... meh. ;-)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SomeGuy:

I don't know why no one has yet mentioned NeoOffice. It's a Mac OS X office suite compatible with Microsoft's office files (Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc.) with one big difference--

It's *free* and open source.

There is a native version for Intel now, so you don't have to wait till 1997.

www.neooffice.org

(Note: I'm not a developer or anything, but a big fan/booster of this as an alternate to MS Office.)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hurtlepuss:

I, like you, use this and recommend it to many retired clients, as most on pensions wont/cant afford MS prices, but find it oh! so slow in loading

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hunt:

This (from the neooffice.org) website may give you some pause:

Important Warnings for All NeoOffice Users
Since NeoOffice is developed by volunteers and tested by users, we expect that users will find crashing or other serious bugs. We strongly recommend that you save your work frequently so that if you encounter a crashing bug, you will not lose much data. If you feel that you need software that has been heavily tested, we recommend that you use a commercially-supported product like Microsoft Office or Apple iWork.

Or maybe they are just being honest?

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Office for Mac was developed by professionals and it still manages to crash a lot too. I'm not advocating NeoOffice, just saying that professional software ain't necessarily better. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous Person:

From neoffice.org:
Released as free, open source software under the GNU General Public License (GPL), NeoOffice is fully functional and stable enough for everyday use. The software is actively developed, so improvements and small updates are made available on a regular basis.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SomeGuy:

Doh, I meant you don't have to wait till 3rd quarter 2007. If you're still waiting for 1997, uh, you can stop.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mattyg:

after all i hear about onenote i will be looking forward to it if they release it for the mac

i also have to applaud mac:bu for their recent updates to office x, not only did it improve performance (on both my iMac and macbook) they added a few features too

hopefully the new office will persuade me to upgrade

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin:

"It would be fantastic if Mircosoft does produce a new UI more in sympathy with Apple’s own user guidelines and overall look."
Yeah right... MS don't follow their own guidlines, so why would they follow someone else's?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andrew:

At £300 MS Office is not good value. ThinkFree is a far more promising solution. Its not perfect yet, but its better than the half baked port of OpenOffice (NeoOffice).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

The scary thing of course is that rather than talking about substance (beyond file interchange), they don't talk at all about features or new additions (ACCESS!) or the loss of VB. It's all visual effects and user interface which IS important, but there's more to life than user interface.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Hi Dave (20): I'm sure that Office 12 will have a lot more than UI, XML and Universal, it's just that the MacBU guys wouldn't discuss any specific features of Office 12 beyond what they revealed here. But with a year until it touches down, it's a safe bet that there will be plenty more to come on what's new in Office 12...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Joe:

Will they *finally* have the jet packs?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fred Snerk:

Let's just hope that they fix the bugs when trying to use Mac Office on a networked environment where users have their home directories on a mounted network drive...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

iBogdan:

To: Stefan Constantinescu

Stefan, One Note the Windows version is embeded in the Word for Mac. Just choose notes layout and u have onenote..and everything it does on the windows platform... it surely works for me

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Robb Gibson:

I like Entourage well enough, but would much rather have an OS X version of Outlook. There's just a few critical missing features between the two and I'd rather see parity between the platforms for easier cross-collaboration.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Amphetameme:

Actually Microsoft's continued support of the Mac environment offers two really supportive opportunities:

1. Most Mac Users actually purchase their software. It's a solid group of consistent purchasers who unfortunately also rarely get a discount/sale for their purchase.
2. It provides Microsoft an opportunity to test out new concepts, theories and improvements.

Both of these concepts still stand despite Microsoft and Apple growing ever closer on interface and features.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sanjay:

I am a die hard user of Office applications. I have recently moved to mac (OSX) and using the office for MAC. Besides the speed issues under Rosetta, I find lack of many 'taken-for-granted' features. My biggest frustration is with the sluggish and crash prone Powerpoint (running in my 17" 1GB memory macbook pro). Lack of pivot table features is another thing I miss (pivot chart for example). How come you cant copy paste tables from word to entourage?

Thanks

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Roger Bayston:

Thanks Sanjay for raising the issue of powerpoint crashes. I did use an iBook for writing and presenting powerpoint talks using Office 2001 and it worked fine - I even on several poccasions rescued pc users at conferences who couldn't make their stuff play on another pc. I now use a G5 desktop and a 17"Macbookpro both on OSX running Office 2004 and I find that most of my Office 2001 ppt files will not open - I just get the interminable rainbow wheel. The same files will still open on my old iBook. I am now told by my Apple dealer that there are some known problems with Intel and ppt 2004!
In addition, can someone explain to me how to get around my photos etc being saved in Quicktime, whether I want to or not, so that they won't play on a pc even with Quicktime software?
Roger B

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Lockwood:

The loss of VBA is looking like a deal breaker to us. What's worse even though supposedly the Windows side is eventually going to dump VBA for something else (for similar difficultly of porting reasons), Microsoft have still not indicated they will add its replacement to the Mac version of Office (thereby eventually restoring cross-platform macro support).

On top of that there has been zero comment from Microsoft as to whether they FINALLY are going to add support for "Right to left" languages like Hebrew and Arabic (something that Mac OS X itself has been able to do for years).

See http://tinyurl.com/nddvn

[As you can see from the date of this article, this is something that Microsoft have known about for years.]

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

George Browning:

If you're looking for something like OneNote, you might want to check out Curio from Zengobi (http://www.zengobi.com). We have had several former OneNote users move to Curio when they switched to the Mac.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stefan Constantinescu:

Word is Word, One Note is One Note.

Live David said, they are complimentary applications. One Note is always running in the back ground consuming minimal resources and lets me do a lot more things than Office 2004 Notebook layout did.

Have any of you used One Note 2003 on the PC? It's THE BEST FREAKING APPLICATION ever. I'm a student and between my note keeper, random idea collector, and to do lists ... it blows everything out of the water.

One Note on the PC is like iLife on the Mac. There is just no comparitive application yet.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DaveJ:

I guess what they could always do is to duplicate the menus on to the Mac ribbon so you have two ways of doing things. This is a fundamental change in the way we use our applications now - the menu bar on Windows as we know it is going and how would this affect OS X where the menu is central to everything!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Toe:

Since when has Microsoft ever followed Apple's interface guidelines?

Office 2004 (and X and 2001) violates Apple's interface guidelines up and down the list. They don't use Apple's system-generated dialog boxes. They don't conform to Apple's file system standards (causing all kinds of havoc in network homes environments), they don't even use Apple's text rendering engine, so text looks relatively crappy in Word (a friggin' word processor) compared to other Mac apps.

The reason it is going to take them another year is because they didn't follow Apple's guidelines in the first place. If they had used Apple's toolset from the beginning, not only would their software suck a little bit less, it would also take a few minutes to port to Intel.

Anyway... I can't wait for Office 2007. It should be the death knell of Office for Mac. By that time, Apple's iWork will be a complete office suite, Open Office should be maturing on the Mac, and the numerous other alternatives should be getting a lot more mature.

To heck with Microsoft. If they want to sit around and watch their competition grow... all the better.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

AndrewY1:

MickeyMoo:
While we use Exchange and suffer the poor compatibility that Entourage offers for the calendar features, I believe there are cross platform alternatives out there. Two that come to mind are: Now Up-To-Date and MeetingMaker.
I'm sure others could list more.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

Well, perhaps... I AM glad they've tested the user interface (unlike, say, Apple with OS X). I do look forward to Universal Binary speed and Office 12 file support. I will of course end up buying it. However, that said, I sure wish one of the alternative free suites was fully functional on Macs. NeoOffice native ends up being more sluggish than Office under Rosetta. OpenOffice requires X11 last time I looked. Sure wish Apple would quietly fund some programmers to do a real port of OpenOffice to Mac...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Luczaj:

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Agreed. We've had a few issues (correctable) that crash Office apps. If we turn off Virex though the problems disappear. Office loves to constantly do stuff in the background that Virex doesn't like in a networked environment using AdmitMac software.

I would like to say that I really like Office overall, except for one Mac-PC bug/feature/whatever that seems to confuse everone. If you choose Insert --> Picture --> from File, and choose graphics in Powerpoint, there are no problems going to Windows. However if you copy and paste from Non-Office programs to Office or use drag & drop from Finder to Office, the images are often NOT readable on Office for Windows. It would be great if they could have the drag/drop or copy/paste images "resampled" or something so this problem goes away. It is the #1 "apparent" incompatability between Office - Mac and Office Windows. Hundreds or Thousands of people's presentations are FUBARed for this and only this reason and the only work around is to COMPLETELY redo the insertion of graphics.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mithridain:

I hope they start supporting the Services menu. I find myself using it more and more, but Office doesn't support it.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brett:

^^^ Echoing the comment on loss of VB above

This is going to be a big deal for corporate users who rely on VB, particularly cross-platform (not that cross-platform VB works especially well as it is).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mike:

Still waiting for Visio on the Mac..... Then I can retire my PC for good!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chrinot:

Hi! I was an avid user of OneNote. Switching to an Intel Mac halfway through writing my thesis I was in desperate need of something ... well, similar. Lo and behold I found some that were better! There's a plethora of “informationmanagers" for OSX both free and not.

I've listed some of those I've found below:

I'm especially fond of Journler (freeware)

Apple included a trial version of Omnioutliner with my MacBook

Voodoopad (liteversion is free)

Macjournal


Notebook
(free trial)

KIT (Keep It Together - 15 day trial)

DevonThink and DevonNote

WikiNotes (freeware)

Dossier (30 day free trial)

Yojimbo (demoversion available)

Delicious Library

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan:

The new UI features much include the ribbon. It's fantastic on Office for Windows, so it must be even better on a Mac (because according to the new Mac ads, Macs are better than 'PCs' (excluding the PowerMac G5, advertised then as the most powerful home PC ever) in every possible way).

It still surprises me that MS are making the effort to accomodate Office for MacOS. Since the latest Macs run Windows anyway, who bother!?

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

e-twelve:

Send your children to a University that provides Microsoft Office Mac for the cost of the media ( approximately $5 US ).
The total cost of ownership is then only approximately $120K when you are done paying - a deal (?) -

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave Villeneuve:

The infamous "Framework Error" can happen on Intel Macs when you copy over your Microsoft User Data folder from a PPC machine.

You may have a "locked" file in your Identies folder

To fix this, move any files out of your "Microsoft User Data" folder you want to keep (I kept this at a minimum - just e-mail). Then delete the user data folder. Launch an office application and office will create a new folder. Quit the application and move the files back.

This fixed it for me (I think).

Once nice thing about Microsoft Entourage that I don't get with Microsoft Lookout .... uh, I mean Outlook ... is that it warns you when you forget to set a subject line. Really, I like the look and feel of Entourage, but the calendar syncing with Exchange, albeit better in recent years, still has a way to go.

A number of issues to fix:

- Latest patch breaks hotlinks in Powerpoint
- Pasting a graphic into Word, instead of insert from file, uses a quicktime codec (your Windows friends will hate you for this)
- Looking up a web page with a table into Excel won't work if there's javascript in the HTML (Windows Excel nicely ignores it). Not ignoring the js is very bad!
- Yes, lack of VBA or compatible scripting system makes it difficult to share serious Excel files cross platform. While I understand the utter impossibility of MS fixing this, it's a fact that it is going to be a major issue. If only the MacBU and the other teams could come up with something that works with both?

These are biggies for me.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Russell:

"Still waiting for Visio on the Mac…"

Have you tried OmniGraffle? The Professional version reads and writes Visio XML files. And the Omni people really know how Mac OS X software is supposed to work.

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suresh:

does anyone know how the port of Groove 2007 is going?

is it part of Mac Offce 2007?

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Paul:

I think the focus on UI instead of features is actually a good sign. Office already has a feature set in excess of most user's needs. If all the features were easy to use and bug free, that would be wonderfull.

Lots of bug fixes might be nice. Besides stability, my favorites are printing and ability to improved ability to open older versions of Office.

For example, when I print a document containing both portrait and landscape, it would be nice if it comes out as one print job, not multiple. This matters if you are in a multi-user network environment printing to a shared printer as other work gets interspersed with your print job. It also is a pain when creating pdf files.

Improvements in the ability to open old Word documents and have them look more like they did in the old version. Things are OK with simple documents, but throw a heavily formatted, multi-column document at it, and things may look quite different than they did with the old version.

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David Flynn:

Suresh: Microsoft didn't indicate at my briefing that Groove would be part of Office 12 for Mac, although I may have missed some earlier online reference to this... was there a Mac version in the works when Microsoft bought out Groove Networks? Either way, Groove for Office:mac is a great idea!

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DAG:

Couple of Notes from the Thread:
Miss your One Note? Take a look at Circus Ponies NoteBook, AquaMinds NoteTaker and Hog Bay Software's Mori. None cost a lot and all have full function demos that you can use for 30 days.

Visual Basic. How much of this issue could be addressed by using AppleScript and/or Automator? Shipping Office:Mac with a set of Automator Actions and AppleScripts would be a nice touch.

As to Calendars- If Mozilla will get up to speed on Sunbird, we will have a nice Calendar app that runs on Mac, Windows & LINUX. It's still early in development but shows promise.

Finally, CodeWeavers CrossOver Office for Mac OS X, in late Beta, supports outlook and other Office apps not in the Mac version of Office.

Hope this gives you a little help.

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John Livingston:

After reading this article, understand while have not seen anything on Microsoft's web pages about what would be "Office 12 for Macintosh."

However, have been using the public beta (no NDA's involved) version of Office 2007 (12) for Windows on my Toshiba for awhile, and have this input for Microsoft's Mac Business Unit and anyone else who might be interested:

The new "ribbon" is not like the old Microsoft Office for Mac 5.1 ribbon, because the new ribbon takes away many of the menu alternatives that Office users on both platforms are used to.

I could find no Edit menu in Word, Excel or PowerPoint. There appeared to be no File menu either--there is a Home menu that has many of the choices of the File menu. And the Format menu was gone, too. Instead, the user had to figure out a series of palettes that controlled various formatting functions

Even with these palettes, was extremely difficult to find many of the commands that I use every day in Office for Macintosh as well as Office for Windows. In some cases, it was possible to add them to a user-customizable toolbar, but the Help files were not much help in locating them.

The commands include (I will include their current menus)'
Excel:
Edit>Move or Copy Sheet (worksheet in a workbook)

PowerPoint:
Format>Line Spacing
Format>Slide Layout (That allows you to choose various combinations of textboxes and picture boxes).

Word:
Format>Paragraph>Space Between Paragraphs

It isn't that all of these functions aren't in Office 2007--it is just very hard to find them. And the developers of Office 12 for both platforms would do well to find some way to allow people who depend on menus to transition into the new regime of ribbon, buttons, and fewer menu commands.

Just my 2¢ worth
John Livingston,
Office Applications SIG Leader
dBug, Seattle's Macintosh User Group

(The experience with 2007 for Windows was so frustrating that Livingston removed it from his other computer, uninstalled and reinstalled 2003)

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Mike:

Stefan, if you are after one note for Mac try MacJournal 4

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Damien Guard:

What is this CodeWare compiler? I've never heard of it and Google didn't find anything resembling it.

Do they mean CodeWarrior for Mac?

[)amien

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Jon Clark:

Tighter integration into the SharePoint Server system would be nice too.

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Ruben:

For an (even better) replacement for OneNote on the Mac, try NoteShare from AquaMinds. All the real-time collaboration features of OneNote (and then some), coupled to a really powerful outliner/notebook application.

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mvallance:

re. Tighter integration into the SharePoint Server system would be nice too.
--
Sharepoints is really an old idea- today we need P2P connectivity of Office docs (PC - Mac) aka Writely.com (now Google).
Also, Mac Office needs to link to PC s and server for reliable calendaring.
The future - now - is all about collaboration.
Microsoft - are you listening cause Google certainly is!

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Chris:

Why is Microsoft not able to port over Access or Project?

Are these programs that different that making a OS X version is to difficult?

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Stephen Withers:

"I hope they start supporting the Services menu. I find myself using it more and more, but Office doesn’t support it."

Yes it does. For example, you can select a word in an email in Entourage and then use a Service to search Google for that word. I forget which version or update provided Services support, but it's definitely there now. I agree it should be extended to all Office apps.

"Why is Microsoft not able to port over Access or Project? Are these programs that different that making a OS X version is to difficult?"

Dunno about Project, but (as I understand it) Access uses the Jet database that's part of Windows, so there's never been any prospect of Access being included in Office for Mac.

"The new UI features much include the ribbon. It’s fantastic on Office for Windows"

That's a very contentious statement. The ribbon seems to be the main reason why people don't want to upgrade to Office 2007. As others have noted, it seems makes features harder to find, not easier!

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David Flynn:

While not being an expert on all things Mac nor Microsoft, but having a bit of a clue on strategy and marketing, I'd suggest that Microsoft doesn't need to put its resources into porting the 'non-core' members of the Office/Windows family (ie those outside Word, Excel and PowerPoint) onto the Mac.

While some would like to see Entourage replaced with Outlook, I think a lot of this would be more to do with getting superior Exchange compatibility, and if that part of Entourage was fixed, that might be enough for many folk.

But apart from that -- well, Project Visio and Access are all relatively niche apps, and a convincing argument could be made that users (especially those in a corp environment, which I'd suggest is the mainstay of these programs) could just run whichever they need under Windows on an Intel Mac. And honestly, FileMaker seems to have such a chokehold on the Mac database field, who'd want to go up against them with anything, let alone Access? (The obvious exception to that rule would be Apple itself, who IMHO could mop up the bottom end of the market, the entry-level 'I just wanna do stuff and get results' audience, if into iWork they rolled a database which was to databases what Keynote or Pages are to presentations and word processing).

If I was in the MacBU's Office team and looking at how best to juggle limited resources for adding new apps to the Office:Mac suite, I'd opt for porting the more unique, innovative and 'new wave' solutions like Groove and OneNote.

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goodinuf:

I don't see how the Visual Basic issue can be addressed with AppleScript and/or Automator unless the macros are at least recordable.

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Alan:

Applescript projects can now be edited with XCode, that means you can use Interface Builder to create your dialogs and interact with any Mac app using the set of commands and properties exposed for Applescript.

Accessing information within Office from a separate Xcode application can be done today by executing VBA and receving results in Applescript. If VBA disappears in Office 2007, MS has to replace it with new methods and properties in Applescript.

But that does not solve the cross-platform issue and it will make it more complex to develop macros for spreadsheet and documents.

OpenOffice now looks like a better choice for x-platform development.

I believe that MS should port the .net runtime on Mac if it wants to keep a cross-platform solution. But since Vista is late, the .net engine got updated regularly with the new Vista Betas so it must be a huge mess for developers to port code that change every week.

If the MacBU wants to keep Business in its title, they better come up with a cool replacement for VBA.

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Archie:

One major drawback that nobody has yet mentioned is the lack of support for VoiceOver in Office for the Mac.

This oversight is a major brake on the adoption of the Mac by many blind users, who find themselves locked in to the clumsy, complex world of JAWS and Windows. VoiceOver is an elegant, effective, easy-to-learn interface to the Mac, but visually-impaired office workers are frequently compelled by their bosses to use Officeâ€"and they can't. So no Macs for them!

Several organisations of the blind have said that they would recommend Macs with VoiceOver if it weren't for this gap in applications.

Come on, MS!

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joeimac:

in the greater scheme of things this request is probably a small nit. however it is an old aggravation dating back to outlook. a fix this time around would be appreciated.


i am running mac office v.x with updates version 10.1.6 under mac os 10.4.8

since day one, the default entourage address book in the "name" column sorts and lists names in alphabetical order by last time-- but aggravatingly, it displays those names with the first name shown first in the listing. thus finding the address you want requires reading over or through the first name. example:

the address book now reads in the name column:

samuel adams
thomas jefferson
james madison
george washington

i would like to make it read:

adams, samuel
jefferson, thomas
madison, james
washington, george

can office 2007 make this happen? or for that matter is there some hidden preference panel that can make it happen in office v.x

thanks for listening.


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don hosek:

When my wife discovered OneNote, I did some research and found that OneNote is actually based on a Mac program. I forget which but a little quality time with google will turn it up.

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Xenedar:

I hope they put something back into Office after eliminating Outlook for Mac, Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Virtual PC and Outlook Express over the last 5 years.

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Paul:

One Note came out after Aquaminds Notetaker and Circus Poines Notebook, which are both derived from the same original NeXT application (the developers split and started with the same code base).

They are both very similar to One Note, and came out for the Mac before One Note came out on PC. They both are amazing aps, and are packed with tons of features (over kill almost), but can do everything One Note can do at a minimum.

Of course, integration with Office is a different story, though you can easily link docs in these aps.

I highly recommend that you check these out if you're looking for something like One Note.

I however, have dumped Notetaker as much as I like it, for OmniOutliner. It's simplicity and power under the hood are incredible for what started out as a straight forward outliner.

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Nick:

"Have you tried OmniGraffle?"
but why Omnigraffle? ConceptDraw is much closer to Visio. What is more it works on win and OSX.

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jasper:

I think they should focus more on Exchange/Entourage integration. The current situation is buggy at best and hinders any larger deployment of Mac workstations within organizations relying on Exchange.

In Entourage 12 I would like to see:
- a stable fully operational support for Exchange
- Auto-Archive function

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Guntis:

Instead of OmniGraffle or ConceptDraw I'd suggest you to try out MindJet MindManager 6 for Mac. It's true Mac application, built with care to keep it Mac-specific, not just 1:1 clone of the Windows version. It's almost like third member of iWork suite.

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Guntis:

For note taking you can try SOHO Notes (former Sticky Brain) from http://www.chronosnet.com/ - it can grab any selected text and store it in its database even without opening application! Something similar to DEVON notes.

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SteveH:

Hi, Just wondering if anyone has found a way for Entourage to share calendars and synch to Exchange while retaining the color coded category info. This color tag is retained locally but after synching all the events turn grey again to the group. Please cc replies to shirsch@hfmus.com

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khaled Alkulaib:

do you know that microsoft have ignored 1.5 billion users of computers by not supporting arabic language in its 2004 office for mac. Office 2004 for mac does not support many right-to-left languages like arabic and hebrew, i am not sure how many hebrew office users are out there in the world but i know for sure that the arab speaking people around the world are 1.5 billion people, lets say that at least 70% of them use computers, so thats almost 900 million people. if office does not support thier native language in MAC platform then this sounds to me as if microsoft is trying to divert developing markets from using a non-windows operating system. if this was publicised in the USA i am sure that people will start pointing fingers or even sueing microsoft for such acts like they did with the internet explorer and windows association. Microsoft are playing dirty games in markets away from the US market where so little people can stand against and fight. They are trying to force newly develping markets to use windows and only windows as operating system.
In my company we have a 100% mac environment, yet we need to use office for word processing and excel, but we only use it for english documents and we have to use Neooffice for arabic documents. imagin that we have paid almost $6000 for license of MS office and it does not work with our native language. Microsoft have the capability to extend the support for arabic in its office suite for mac, but they do not want to do it so they force any company in our region to buy and run windows because it is the only suite that supports arabic. God knows if they will support arabic in Office 12

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Ralf van Galen:

The number of Arabic speakers is estimated between 186 and 422 millions. Since half of them are illiterate and many of them are poor, the number of Arabic computer users might not surpass 20-40 millions. Yet it is a shame that Microsoft has been so lazy!
For the time being, you may use Nisus Writer Pro on the Macintosh

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Faihan Otaibi:

The number of Arabic speakers is over 400 millions my dear. Since you said half of them are illiterate Like you, the other have managed to set the basis for math and chemistry. And there is another hidden half that is extremely rich. And since you are good in numbers, you need to add the over 80 million Persians, the 160 million Pakistanis, the Millions of Afghan, then the number beyond your brain capacity of those who live in India and Bangladesh. All of those use a language identical to Arabic in writing. That is how our friend came up with the Billion Plus.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shari Jackson:

I love the outlook today feature as my default page as a PC user. I am new to a Mac and using the trial version of Office and am very unhappy to see that there is no such day at a glance feature in Entourage that equals to this. I am wondering if that is one of the new changes that will take place in the new version for 2007??? Does anyone know? Or am I just not finding it in entourage because I don't know what they are calling it. Very frustrating for a new Mac user.

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Travis Ulrich:

I use to use Powerpoint, but then Apple released Keynote. I don't get why Apple doesn't do the same with Word and Excel. These are the only two Microsoft applications I use. I'd like to see Apple make a kick as word processor and spreadsheet (which are compatible with Word & Excel)

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

microsoft is pathetic. get it out sooner, you losers.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousjoe:

"microsoft is pathetic. get it out sooner, you losers."

well said, Apple should do what Microsoft has been doing for years, copy it and come out with their own brand.

29 February 2008, 8:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick Anonymous:

Pages and Apple Works does not open all windows applications, and especially keep the same format. My big question is if MS Office for Mac will operate on non Intel Macs? I hope so...

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Gary Livick:

Can anyone suggest how I can import files into Entourage.

Here's the situation:

I saved older e-mails from my Windows XP OS hard drive in customer files from the Outlook email system.
The hard drive files were transfered to my new MacBook.
I can open any files in Word, Excel, or powerpoint presentations from the tranfered files. I can not, however, open the saved e-mails from Outlook in the transfered files, let alone transfer/import them into Entourage.
Is there an easy solution?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

James:

My cousin went to the Mac Office launch. He said the interface is so much cooler and so much better then window's counterpart. (thats just because he always uses Mac). He's also got a spare copy of the Mac 2008 Special Media Edition which has Expression media on it. Anyone who wants to buy it off him contact him at raytechie@gmail.com .


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