First look at Dell's Ubuntu boxes

Ashton Mills07 June 2007, 6:23 AM

A chap in the Ubuntu forums in the States has nabbed a Dell Ubuntu box and given it a good once over. Here's our take on what's in the kit and what it could mean if the machines ever make it to our shores.


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No, we don't have one -- they're not available in Australia, remember -- but now they're on sale a chap in the States on the Ubuntu forums has nabbed one given it a good once over. If you don't frequent the forums, read on for our take on what's in the kit and what it could mean if the machines ever make it to our shores.

Surfing the Ubuntu forums (what, doesn't everybody?) revealed a great summary of one of the new Dell Ubuntu systems by on one benanzo, here.

The hardware specs are reasonable (considering it's an XPS) but what's more interesting is whether Dell bundled Ubuntu as-is or tailored the distribution for its kit.

Well, the first issue benanzo encountered was an incorrect display resolution. Now, where have we heard that before? At least, however, the default resolution of his monitor was available in the screen resolution dialog and, to be clear, this is an issue with Ubuntu and not Dell.

The kernel version as reported is actually one point release newer (and current) than the one shipped with Ubuntu 7.04, so obviously Dell has done at least one update for the OS image over the 7.04 release.

One cool feature is the recovery mode, which understandably pulls from a full Ubuntu image stored on a FAT32 partition. Nice touch, and congruent with other recovery systems from Dell.

But, above all else, the most awesome feature of all in benanzo's breakdown: no pre-installed crapware. Awww, poor Linux can't run all that sponsored tripe Dell sells its customers down the river for!

All up, it sounds you get exactly what you pay for, which is nice -- a Dell system with Ubuntu pre-installed. But that's the most pertinent point of all -- just how much do you save going for an Ubuntu machine over a Windows one?

Again, the systems aren't available yet so here's a quick summary of US prices of machines with the same hardware (both machines were configured identically in the product configuration dialogs):

Dell XPS 410 -- Vista Home Premium -- $US1199 ($US1398 with Ultimate)
Dell XPS 410n -- Ubuntu 7.04 -- $US1099

That's a difference of $US100 for Home Premium or $US299 for Ultimate. Not a bad saving, especially in comparison to Ultimate -- one fifth of the price shaved off. Money in the tin, or to be spent on more powerful hardware you wouldn't be able to afford with the Windows box. Of course, even with Dell's buying power, the exorbitant pricing of Vista by Microsoft in Australia would see an even greater difference for Australian customers were the machines on sale here, making them an even more compelling sale.

Because lets be clear here -- the biggest selling point for the Ubuntu machines isn't Ubuntu itself, it's how much you as a new PC buyer can save. When Joe Blow asks 'Oohh it's cheaper, but does it do everything Windows does?' the answer is 'Bar playing games, yes' and so who wouldn't go for it? Invariably, cheap always wins in the mass market and with the all the bad rap Vista has garnered this could be a further kick in the nether regions of Vista adoption for Microsoft.

Assuming, that is, the machines are promoted well and people are made aware -- for now, you have to squint on Dell's main product page to find the new Ubuntu PCs. Take a look on the left hand side, under Essential Links -- 'Open-Source PCs'. You can't choose Ubuntu as your OS through the main product dialogs when selecting a machine, Windows is the only option -- this is, to be sure, piss poor: You've made the decision to go with it Dell, you're either behind it or you're not. Why hide it in a sidebar? Surely as the latest innovation from Dell, it should plastered all over the front page. What's that saying about lights and bushels? :)


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Gavin OS:

An interesting review, with good detail and updates/corrections. Resolution wouldn't be a problem with a Dell display.

Here's another review http://technocrat.net/d/2007/6/1/20868 via DistroWatch Weekly.

Hope there are more satisfied customers spreading the word.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

webmonkey44:

I'd have it if I had enough money.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

I think it's probably worth noting when comparing prices that Ubuntu has pretty much everything Vista Ultimate has, and then some...

All it's missing is the annoying stuff adn the price tag ;-)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stephen Wilson:

To add to the last comment... in the price comparison, add the cost of Microsoft Office to Vista (because Ubuntu comes with OpenOffice) and the cost of Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro (because Ubuntu comes with GIMP) at the very least. That pushes the price difference even wider, by several hundred dollars more!

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rkl:

Sorry, but you can't add the cost of an office suite and graphics package to the comparison of Windows vs. Ubuntu, because OpenOffice.org and The GIMP are available for free on both platforms. Even the need for anti-virus software on Windows doesn't help, because there are several very good free ones for personal use (e.g. AVG).

I think a bigger benefit of Ubuntu software is that it's much, much easier to find, install and update software from their repos than the awful way you have to hunt around 12 different vendors' Websites for the Windows software you want.

Then there's a myriad of Windows install methods and, to cap it all off, a wildly varying set of methods of updating said Windows software (ranging from no updates at all, to update notificiation only, to full download/update built-in to incremental download/update built-in). Sorry, but Ubuntu and other Linux distros have long since overtaken Windows on the app install/update front.

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Come on Dell AP , if you bring them we will buy. Get your collective acts together, we want Linux Dells now.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

belal1:

Why is your price so high? Was that Default configuration or did you configure the system yourself? The Ubuntu Desktops are 599 and 849 respectively... 

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous Reader:

Yes, the systems are hidden on the product page, and yes, it would be great to have Ubuntu listed as a standard OS choice on every system (along with Windows XP - it is now relegated to a special section just like Ubuntu). But to Dell's credit, when I go to the very front page (www.dell.com), I see a banner that changes every few seconds. Each time I have visited, the first frame has always been "By Popular Demand. Ubuntu Has Arrived. The Dell community spoke, and we listened. The Linux-based operating system is now available for work or home." Clicking on the banner takes you to www.dell.com/open. I think that's great for starters. Still, it will really make me happy when I see "OS: Ubuntu Linux [subtract $100]" and "Office Productivity Software: OpenOffice.org 2.2 - includes Base [Included in Price]" in a standard system configuration.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Aubrey:

"The biggest selling point for the Ubuntu machines isn't Ubuntu itself, it's how much you as a new PC buyer can save."

Dell has been pretty clear all along that this offering is aimed at "linux enthusiasts" (ie. geeks). I don't think $100 is the issue here. The question is whether enough geeks will buy a machine already configured for linux (ie no unsupported hardware) or whether they will do what they have always done (no, not that!) - I mean build or mod a machine (with their free hand) to run their favourite distro.

Personally, I'm hoping enough of them do shell out for a Dell and that there is at least some leakage to the non-target market. And if that induces a more mainstream marketing approach and extension outside the US, I'll cheer.

Does Dell release their sales figures? Now that would be really interesting.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Douglas:

The link in the article is a dead link - use the one is the comment above mine.

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Drunk....Rambling....Incoherent:

Awesome.. bring it linux.... bring it

Interestingly enough linux easily matches Widows for effects such as glass, 3d desk top and many other features of the like, in fact a lot of the features where in linux long before vista was around.

It is basically the games and certain apps which continue to hold windows users.....
when there is a higher level of compatibility using the WINE program in linux and a greater effort in making software easy to obtain on the platform,
then we will see a change in demographics in the os that people want to use.

+ for all it's faults windows is still the easiest to use os in terms of adjusting settings and general navigation, if these areas are ironed out in linux......

Then we can welcome the revolution!






29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fungyo:

...but does it do everything Windows does?' the answer is 'Bar playing games, yes'.

Ubuntu has 1000s of games which it can play nicely. Many of them are in the repos.

Even some big name games such as Unreal Tournament 2004 come with a Linux installer and works great.

This is a common misconception that I hear all the time. The fact is Ubuntu Linux offers more games than you would have time to play them.

I once saw a post in a forum where someone had tallied up the number of games for Linux and Windows. Linux came out on top with the most games.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bmarco:

where's that page? i mean if it's "games" like kolf well then that's a load of crap. don't get me wrong i'm writing this on a kubuntu feisty 7.04) with a 7.10 running on qemu so i'm an enthusiast but i can't play AOE or anything here ... so where do i find those games you were refering to?

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fungyo:

I cannot remember, I think it was on a Ubuntu forum.
The final tally comprises of open source, free, and commercial games. Some commercial games come with a Linux installer, some will run with Wine and others require Cedega.

nothing i said is crap. The point is there are plenty of games for Linux, they may not be everyones cup of tea or may require a bit of stuffing around to get them to work but Ubuntu WILL play games, just not all.

Some links:
www.getdeb.net/category.php?id=3
www.cedega.com

Apparently AOE I,II,III can play under Cedega. The unfortunate thing is Cedega is a subscription service.

Also, have a look in the repos for games.


29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fred Nerk:

I can't understand how a pre-configured Linux Dell would be too hard for non-geeks. My wife is/was near enough to computer illiterate, and I've had her on Ubuntu Dapper (6.06) for almost a year, on last year's Fringe Benefits Tax freebie lappie I gave her. She killed Xp in less than two months, and I whacked Ubuntu on it - and she finds it easier and more intuitive than Windows.

With Vista the great big seething pile of dung that it is, this has to be an option for Dell AP. I could build my own computer, but I couldn't be bothered anymore. I have a wife and two kids, and not the time to spend making sure that I have enough space between the PSU and the CPU Heatsink/Fan to make sure it doesn't overheat.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Vitto:

I think where kind of missing the point. Dell preinstalled there machines with Ubunutu Linux in response to what there customers wanted, and in the process it would allow for you to save a little cash. Overall by using an Ubuntu system you are saving money on software used for home and business, and lets not forget that it is more stable then windows, no tons of pre-installed advertisements, bloatware, and highly secure. You now become safer from hackers, malware, spyware, viruses, and people who just don't know what the heck there doing to a system when they decide to poke around at the internals and delete and change things to there liking. Although, I think Dell should release there machines with the older version of Ubuntu wich has a longer support life, and is highly stable. (Ubuntu Version 6.06 LTS - Dapper Drake.) In response to Fred Nerks last thread, I do agree with Fred, Ubuntu is very easy to use just like Windows. I was so impressed that I have installed it on my Dell laptop and have never returned to Windows since I have installed it. I have used many other Linux flavors and found this one to be the best + tons of forum info and help.

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