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Raindog

Why is the tag-line so damn shor

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209 posts
Posted: 29/10/2008 9:10 AM
Forum-Bug wrote:
Two of the biggest pieces of SH## on the market.


in your narrow and bullish opinion!

How do free releases rank as on the market anyway? I'd rather see people using them than nothing at all which is the common alternative.


Both these packages, while not my personal favorites have been tested and tested and tested in comparative reviews and have never come up with results akin to something you'd find in a Coogee Bay Sundae.

No software package offers 100% detection or 100% protection so better advice would be to use more than one detection tool upon suspicion of an attack.

Norm

New user
29 posts
Posted: 29/10/2008 11:10 AM
Forum-Bug wrote:
LOL


ZoneAlarm and AVG Two of the biggest pieces of SH## on the market.






LOL to you too!! You wanna back it up with some facts or state it a personal opinion?

Used them both since their inception and NEVER had an infection of ANY sort. And that's on a home network with 2 teenage kids who live on games and social networking.

Must be doing something right.

Jumping Giraffe

New user
16 posts
Posted: 01/11/2008 3:11 PM
I agree, sounds like a trojan! You may need another pc for dowloads but this is what I would do.

Download avast and download the most recent signiture updates from the web site as well. Load the os into safemode. install avast. select the option so scan after the restart but do not restart the pc. Run the signature update file and restart. The system will begin to scan before windows loads. (av;s that install in safe mode .. gotta love em!!)

Then hopefully it will clean. Then I would download regvac. A great simple utility that cleans your registry. AV's will delete/clean infected files but many registry strands are left. Regvac will fix that! Safe util!

Spybot is great to
Zonealarm is good but avg, well I have seen it fail many times! ISA my firewall



LostBenji

Radio & Computer Technician

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196 posts
Posted: 02/11/2008 1:11 AM
Quote:
You wanna back it up with some facts or state it a personal opinion?


Whatever. Unlike you, I see plenty of systems each week and have spent years cleaning PC's of crap, guess what AV they were using. Try taking it off your system and see how much life its actually sucking out of a PC. Its bloated and in-efficient except in snagging loads of false positives. I will re-iterate, if its so great, then why would AVG have a paid for version. You get what you pay for. Zone, get a hardware firewall and stop being tight with softwalls.

Raindog

Why is the tag-line so damn shor

New user
209 posts
Posted: 02/11/2008 3:11 PM
LostBenji wrote:
Unlike you, I see plenty of systems each week and have



Well hello Robinson Crusoe! - Take your hand of it


LostBenji wrote:
I will re-iterate, if its so great, then why would AVG have a paid for version


Marketing is your strong suite either.

You've had a go with your opinion, how about letting other hold theirs without the ridicule and rudeness?

LostBenji

Radio & Computer Technician

New user
196 posts
Posted: 03/11/2008 8:11 AM
Raindog wrote:
You've had a go with your opinion, how about letting other hold theirs without the ridicule and rudeness?


Mr. Opinion himself speaks. Forums are full of opinions, thats what they are there for. If you and Norm or anyone else want to use programs like AVG or Zone, then by all means. It keeps me in a job. Telling me to take my hand off it just says your a little pissy or maybe a little of the "Tall Poppy syndrome", who knows but when you start getting involved with factual and actual advice instead of just going off stuff you have read elsewhere then I might take you seriously. How am I to take your advice when its just ridicule and rudeness itself. I give my time freely to those who ask for advice and do so willingly, yes I do seem direct at times but hey, when others stick around and help out as well then by all means. I have done my time but if thats not enough for certain others, then no wonder the place is quiet except for a few moth-pieces.

I'm sure this will be quoted and responded too but hey, I have said my piece and I'm over, if you are not then thats your issue. If you don't like it then there is the news and reviews sections to go back to.

Cheers.


Raindog

Why is the tag-line so damn shor

New user
209 posts
Posted: 03/11/2008 9:11 AM
LostBenji wrote:
If you and Norm or anyone else want to use programs like AVG or Zone, then by all means.


Somewhat in contrast to your unfounded derision of others. I had not stated what I used, but I take offence to you arrogance towards others in this post.


LostBenji wrote:
It keeps me in a job.



Again take your hand off it.

LostBenji wrote:
Telling me to take my hand off it just says your a little pissy or maybe a little of the "Tall Poppy syndrome"


Or maybe you were being told to take your hand off it.

LostBenji wrote:
who knows but when you start getting involved with factual and actual advice instead of just going off stuff you have read elsewhere then I might take you seriously.


Now who is getting a little pissy? Hmm. I've questioned your assumption of a position of supposed superiority. You still seem to believe you are the only one with some experience. Let's just say I've put you right on that one.

LostBenji wrote:
How am I to take your advice when its just ridicule and rudeness itself.


Did you think I offered you advice? No I just ticked you off for your rude an arrogant response.

LostBenji wrote:
I give my time freely to those who ask for advice and do so willingly


What is this Mother Teresa syndrome? Didn't norm give his opinion and advice freely and willingly? Disagree by all means, I'd encourage that, but demonstrate that you have some actual security in your own beliefs and in your experience by doing so without the arrogant put-downs and bully-some chest beating.

LostBenji wrote:
yes I do seem direct


Direct is fine, rude and arrogant isn't. Work it out.

LostBenji wrote:
I have done my time


Here we go with the Robinson Crusoe bit again, suggesting you are the only one with a technology based career? It may be news to you but a lot of other contributors hare have been around as long or for a hell of a lot longer.
More to the point those who dismiss or deride the input of the enthusiastic amateurs are just the victims of their own insular and myopic bias.

LostBenji wrote:
then no wonder the place is quiet


And your ripping into someone because the cared to share their own experiences encourages growth and participation?


LostBenji wrote:
I'm sure this will be quoted and responded too but hey


SO what is the word of LostBenji to stand always without question or examination? Get your hand off it.

LostBenji wrote:
I have said my piece and I'm over,


good, now if you can say any further pieces without condescension and an assumption of superiority, then others and grumpy old bastards like me might be more than appreciative of that input.


LostBenji wrote:
If you don't like it then


what's this you can't stand criticism? If you don't like my criticism of your manner and rudeness, I have offered more than enough clues as to how you could make that stop.


And for the record I pretty much agree with you re: zone-alarm, and doubt the effectiveness of any no dedicated firewall solution. Not that they don't work, more that they are too complex and and are generally compromised by users unable to comprehend what that are doing.

I never did disclose what AV software I use, suffice to say it's what is appropriate for situation at hand.
I routinely suggest or advise that others use and install AVG-free. And while it may not be the most effective package out there it is a million times more effective than the usual alternatives. Those being nothing at all, or the long expired Norton or McAfee trialware that came with the machine.
You dont put $400 tyres on a $200 car.

As for you assertions that AVG is a resource hog, I would not argue, other than to say no more so than any of the display boxed packages consumers are likely to use.

I had no issue with your opinion, I had a real issue with the arrogance and rude way it was delivered. So there you go, that should be more than enough insight.


Norm

New user
29 posts
Posted: 03/11/2008 3:11 PM
LostBenji wrote:
Whatever. Unlike you, I see plenty of systems each week and have spent years cleaning PC's of crap,



Alas, Benji is indeed lost.

Lad, I have been an electronics tech,. since 1963, an IT professional since 1976. I have probably seen and solved more and diverse faults and "issues" than you could ever dream of.

Your egotism astounds me.

Norm

Jumping Giraffe

New user
16 posts
Posted: 03/11/2008 3:11 PM
silly me, I forgot to mention the hardware aspec! You may have ram or HDD problems to!
If you need a hand at getting any utils to test ya gear let me know!!

bizzy

New user
4 posts
Posted: 04/11/2008 11:11 AM
I think it is becoming increasingly difficult to help computer users remain virus free. Emails with new virus's can appear overnight before the Antivirus companies can act.
Take a look at this tip at http://www.bizux.net.au/tips.html which describes "Why you should never open an attachment sent to you by an unknown person". Only 6 out of 39 virus scanners picked up this virus. It is also interesting to note that the free opensource ClamAV was one of the 6.


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