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Posted: 04/02/2010 12:02 PM
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apt.pupil wrote:
believe it or not- i am not the only perons who uses a Telstra DSL2+ service in the 5 and a half K's to my exchange. Ever consider THAT may be a factor?
Well no actually. With cable perhaps where the medium is shared. But you are the sole user of ADSL2+'s allocated line speed. Inadequate contingency ratios will affect throughput (ask any subscriber of extinct bird Internet), but your line speed will stay right up there even with throughput like porridge through a straw.
apt.pupil wrote:
however the most important thing for me is minimal line noise and latency, not the actual speed, so to speak
Then one has to wonder why you are concerned by the numbers of subscribers in your geographic area. Do you have a central filter? But it's fine you go chasing ghosts.
apt.pupil wrote:
i need my speed to be fast enough to play my games relatively lag- free,
Need? Games? Just as well its for something that important.
apt.pupil wrote:
I went through a 2 month long investigation with Telstra
With Telstra being the investigator and the one who have have to pay money for any rectification right? You getting the picture yet?
apt.pupil wrote:
and what came out of the investigation was that i simply live too far away from the DSLAM exchange to get what could be considered broadband internet speeds
And yet you said yourself you were attaining ADSL2 level speeds, basic ADSL itself is classed as broadband Internet. I can quote a similar instance where a customer happy with an existing connection was refused a connection on 2nd line due to distance and told that their existing connection would not be reconnected if applied for again. Funny that, even funnier when more expensive and less capable wireless Internet was pushed, by Telstra, towards that customer.
apt.pupil wrote:
you said it right there. 9/10 ISPs in my area operate through the Telstra exchange
No! 9/10 of the ISP have little operation but to operate via the Telstra DSLAM, all copper connection operate through Telstra exchanges it's an effective monopoly.
apt.pupil wrote:
The rest of the factors i have researched that explain my physical down and uplink speeds are: distance, congestion, line packet switching, and (unlikely in this case) Telstra themselves.
distance - Yes
congestion - No
Line packet switching - no
Telstra - Yes
apt.pupil wrote:
and personally take offense to the fact you see me as being comparable to a 109 year old who is playing with their first computer. Believe it or not- i was not born yesterday, i was born 21 years ago,
Take offense all you wish, but in ether case age has nothing to do with knowledge or ability. Random an incorrect assumptions are just that at 21 or 109.
apt.pupil wrote:
and am more than able to do a little bit of independent research
Oh really? Even when other providers are battling to extract withheld information from Telstra.
apt.pupil wrote:
Believe it or not, i do not live remote either.
On that one I believe you 100%, it's a great pity the Internet provision debate always degenerates to CBD verses the remotest outback. The simple reality is we still suffer haphazard broadband availability throughout urban and major regional population centres. Something Mr Conroys $30M spend has done nothing to address.
apt.pupil wrote:
I have even got the address of the exchange i am getting my internet from
Useful common knowledge, however a geograhical address is no guarantee of cable length, as for TDR figure you can only guess on the approximations you equipment gives or accept whatever numbers Telstra wishes to disclose.
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Posted: 04/02/2010 11:02 PM
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1. Hi Sam, welcome to Australia. I know how difficult it can be to look for a good broadband or home phone deal. Its quite a quagmire!
I would suggest you get in contact with either TPG or Dodo. Both companies offer reliable, good value for money plans.You would need to connect your home phone first. TPG do not offer new home phone connections, so you would need to contact Telstra first to get your phone connected and then call TPG once it is activated. Dodo on the other hand can offer you a bundled deal with both home phone and Broadband. When looking for a good Broadband plan, check if you are able to get ADSL2+(faster form of Broadband) as this is not available in all areas. Also look at factors such as plan prices, data allowance, excess charges if any, shaping speed, contract length, special offers e.g. free modem and set up, etc....I hope this helps you in your search.
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HAIL 5890 or die
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Posted: 05/02/2010 12:02 AM
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Raindog wrote:
With Telstra being the investigator and the one who have have to pay money for any rectification right? You getting the picture yet?
so let me ask you a question then.
If someone who is a contractor to Telstra through a third party company with years of experience in the business telling me that it is not the fault of anything Telstra can control(possibly fix- but that is currently out of my budget range to install a THIRD line into my address- and then pay the costs of a central filter splitter installation), mainly because of A: the distance, B: latency through home setup(i have rectified that as best as i possibly can. gotten a fully wireless setup from the router to connect the internet) C: the actual OS i use(yes- winmo6.5 DOES utilize my internet connection a lot better than windows desktop does) and the browser setup(you are actually correct about the number of people bit. i looked at the report he wrote me. we have cable AND DSL at the same address, and the cable was also being looked at due to the exact same speed and latency issues i am getting- i do not use the cable because of my bad habit of using more than the allowed 12GB/month) is not good enough for you- then let me ask you- who actually is then? Who else could i pay to get this inspected?
Also note that in my area- the only company who can actually give me the optimum speeds are telstra themselves. Like it or not, there is no other alternative for me, since no one else can in my area.
Other internet options is wireless- and you can guarantee 100% that i will not sign up for wireless and get even worse latency than i currently get(which is pretty shocking. an average of 322ms ping speed with 9ms jitter to chicago, USA).
Also note that your condescending way of talking is what gives me the impressions that i get.
One other little fact i have been avoiding to mention is the other purpose for my internet connection is that i run a VoIP server through a backup pc. I avoided it before because i did not want to start a security argument again- lately i do not have the patience to put up with this bs. you can kinda say that i am growing weary of my current job, its stress levels being inflicted upon me, and the lack of benefits for even doing it anymore
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Why is the tag-line so damn shor
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Posted: 05/02/2010 1:02 AM
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apt.pupil wrote:
but that is currently out of my budget range to install a THIRD line into my address- and then pay the costs of a central filter splitter installation
third line? why? You do not need another line to utilise a central filter and have the usually poor premises wiring improved/repaired/optimised.
apt.pupil wrote:
gotten a fully wireless setup from the router to connect the internet
and this will be better/quicker than good Cat5e/Cat6 how exactly?
apt.pupil wrote:
Who else could i pay to get this inspected?
well no-one, Telstra has you screwed! You and the rest of the population! You take what your given, but after decades of communications policy you are now allowed not to like it. Not that that makes a bit of difference. Best tool is to lobby like hell, but your getting basic ADSL speeds and your complaint is mostly latency, good luck, and don't hold your breath unless blue is your colour.
apt.pupil wrote:
Also note that in my area- the only company who can actually give me the optimum speeds are telstra themselves.
Maybe so but for this they deserve no bouquet, the reality is mostly that that in your exchange like many others Telstra has made it impossible/uneconomical for competitors to operate from.
apt.pupil wrote:
Other internet options is wireless-
which for you and thousands of others is not a practical options. Forget the latency, consider what the data over-runs would slug your hip pocket.
apt.pupil wrote:
Also note that your condescending way of talking is what gives me the impressions that i get.
I'd have considered I was typing, but as for condescension well lets just say the attitude of "I'm 21 and i know everything" is long past being an amusement. If you wish to take every comment as insult that's your prerogative, if you wish to ignore advice that's your choice too.
apt.pupil wrote:
One other little fact i have been avoiding to mention is the other purpose for my internet connection is that i run a VoIP server through a backup pc.
Why avoiding, is Conroy trying to filter that too?
apt.pupil wrote:
I avoided it before because i did not want to start a security argument again
VOIP has nothing to do with security, it will operate perfectly and without loss or interruption behind even the most basic of hardware firewall. What you regarded as argument was an absolute rejection of your suggestions to others that it would be OK to ignore PC security. Something that was wrong on so many levels.
apt.pupil wrote:
lately i do not have the patience to put up with this bs.
then perhaps you should consider that other take to a barrage of attitude in response to a simple and much required correction.
apt.pupil wrote:
weary of my current job, its stress levels being inflicted upon me, and the lack of benefits for even doing it
Oh poor you. And this is an APC reader problem how exactly. You have Internet availability that others here could only dream of a, a job etc, etc, etc. If ping speeds and having to actually make an effort at work are your biggest worries you really have no worries of consequence. Who knows the people at work you give the attitude to may be trying to help too.
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HAIL 5890 or die
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Posted: 05/02/2010 9:02 AM
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Raindog wrote:
and this will be better/quicker than good Cat5e/Cat6 how exactly?
well, the last time i checked, a cate 5e/cat6 does not fit to well in my door, and being the house is double- brick, and the current temperatures in brisbane, i really can not see the point in running a 50m cord in a loop through the roof of my house to a hole i would have to make to allow the cord to slip through. My room is approx. 12 metres from the line conection, and the wallplate in my room for an rj45 does not work.
Raindog wrote:
third line? why? You do not need another line to utilise a central filter and have the usually poor premises wiring improved/repaired/optimised.
this becomes a matter of cost, the inconvenience of me not running my clan VoIP server, and no internet connection(which means no critical security updates/ ability to update/fix my clan website) for the 2-3 weeks while waiting for an Electrician to have the spare time to install it all. The fastest way to get it done is book a Telstra tech guy who can then get it done generally within 5 days of me making a booking
Raindog wrote:
which for you and thousands of others is not a practical options. Forget the latency, consider what the data over-runs would slug your hip pocket.
Being with Telstra, there are NO excess usage charges, but i do NOT desire the 64Kb/s connection and the price. Plus Telstra are undeniably the dastest and most stable wireless ISP
Raindog wrote:
VOIP has nothing to do with security
The fact that i deliberatley have port forwarding and kaspersky's software firewall set up to leave holes in the firewall means nothing in the means of security to you? Trust me- once i have the money to switch from a shared server to a dedicated server for my website- i will move the VoIP server software to the website. Also note that the security argument was about Linux having a near total lack of malware flat- out. the last time i got a report on a Linux based malware code was nearly 8 years ago- but that is another "disagreement" altogether. lets drop that subject right here
Raindog wrote:
having to actually make an effort at work
You DO know that i work as a Telstra Dealer, right?
i have to put up with the daily bs of being the face of "good customer service", while dealing with all the nuances of dealing with internal call centres. Compared to the complaints i hear and read about Telstra call centres- i love the opportunity to talk to the Customer call centres- they at least are trained to listen first before aggravating you
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Why is the tag-line so damn shor
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Posted: 05/02/2010 10:02 AM
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apt.pupil wrote:
well, the last time i checked, a cate 5e/cat6 does not fit to well in my door
apt.pupil wrote:
i really can not see the point in running a 50m cord in a loop through the roof of my house
apt.pupil wrote:
and the wallplate in my room for an rj45 does not work.
apt.pupil wrote:
this becomes a matter of cost
apt.pupil wrote:
for the 2-3 weeks while waiting for an Electrician to have the spare time to install it all.
Is that it for the excuses? I've offered you several realistic options improve your connection speed and reliability. 50m cord in a loop? What tha? RJ45 does not work, electricians in spare time? Weeks of down time? What the hell are you on about? Any good cabler can have a new filter installed on your existing line and new dedicated sockets installed within an hour or two tops. You could be shooting away at online aliens while he did most of it and would likely not be off line for more than 10 minutes. You cannot be bothered fixed anything you could do something about why would anybody be bothered taking your line speed ghost chases too seriously? In so many cases better termination ands isolation of telephone devices at a poor ADSL connection will double the connection speed but your 21 years knows it all. Suit yourself.
apt.pupil wrote:
Being with Telstra, there are NO excess usage charges,
And that applies to Telstra wireless how?
apt.pupil wrote:
he fact that i deliberatley have port forwarding and kaspersky's software firewall set up to leave holes in the firewall means nothing in the means of security to you?
It means nothing at all in the context of you suggesting to others that leaving systems open was of little risk.
apt.pupil wrote:
he last time i got a report on a Linux based malware code was nearly 8 years ago- but that is another "disagreement" altogether. lets drop that subject right here
Then why bring it up? But what reports you have got are not measures of the reality of risk, the likely hood of attack or of your suggestions that Windows could also be just fine unprotected.
apt.pupil wrote:
You DO know that i work as a Telstra Dealer, right?
No but the partial knowledge along with a dose of assumed arrogance suggested you frequented some such establishment.
apt.pupil wrote:
i have to put up with
Oh poor you! It's you and only you right? I offered you practical measures that wan/will increase your system performance, but if you know best, and refuse to fix what you can fix while chasing the impossible, then go right ahead. It wont slow any of my systems one iota.
Enjoy!
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HAIL 5890 or die
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Posted: 05/02/2010 11:02 AM
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Raindog wrote:
What tha? RJ45 does not work
more like i will have to replace it regularly because my door will kill the cable, and then i will once again have the exact same issues i have currently. i went through 9 months of Cat5e(lo and behold- i was onto the phone to Telstra, and my sparky mate every second week)before i got told by a resident licensed pc repairer that neither Cat5e or RJ45 will work over the distance i need it to from the modem. In my experiences with this stuff- the only way to solve a problem is to do it yourself. the end- user is the cause and solution to most of the problems.
Granted that my bad time with Cat5e was because at the time- i lived in a caravan that had the cord running through a steel door, but i can see similar issues, and am scared off by the ongoing costs of replacing expensive lead as opposed to the advantages of having a wireless network to connect my mobile phone, PS3, and PC all on at the one time
Raindog wrote:
And that applies to Telstra wireless how?
Bigpond wireless elite. Nuff said
Raindog wrote:
Any good cabler can have a new filter installed on your existing line and new dedicated sockets installed within an hour or two tops.
I am talking the time it takes for my sparky to have the time to come and do it for me. He is very busy
Raindog wrote:
Then why bring it up? But what reports you have got are not measures of the reality of risk, the likely hood of attack or of your suggestions that Windows could also be just fine unprotected.
If i implied that in that particular thread- that was not my intention. What the point i was trying to make is that an understanding of some of the security basics(things such as not using password managers, using osk's to enter credit card details, avoidance of misspelling of URLs, and about 9 other methods i used in my time of going through antivirus suites faster than a valium addict) in a Linux OS was amongst the best antivirus available to Linux users
Raindog wrote:
No but the partial knowledge along with a dose of assumed arrogance suggested you frequented some such establishment.
It was actually the Telstra iternal training that turned the convoluted mess of "industry terms" into relatively understandable english in order for us to help customers with fixing their own internet at the end- user level.
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Why is the tag-line so damn shor
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Posted: 05/02/2010 12:02 PM
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apt.pupil wrote:
lo and behold- i was onto the phone to Telstra, and my sparky mate every second week
apt.pupil wrote:
the only way to solve a problem is to do it yourself. the end- user is the cause and solution to most of the problems.
How do those go together. Only a fool believe he has all the answers.
apt.pupil wrote:
more like i will have to replace it regularly because my door will kill the cable
apt.pupil wrote:
i lived in a caravan that had the cord running through a steel door,
Why the insistence in cables through doors, or is that how its done in Qld?
apt.pupil wrote:
before i got told by a resident licensed PC repairer that neither Cat5e or RJ45 will work over the distance
license in PC repair? RJ45 distance? Cat5e or more correctly Ethernet over Cat5e is good for 100m the distance from telephone connection point to your PC exceeds this isn't a suburban double brick house/caravan? Nothing an intermediate switch would not have fixed if it did which I very much doubt.
apt.pupil wrote:
and am scared off by the ongoing costs of replacing expensive lead
$80 for 305m yeah the expense must be a killer. Other than the Qld practice of through door wiring why would it ever have to be replaced?
apt.pupil wrote:
as opposed to the advantages of having a wireless network to connect my mobile phone, PS3, and PC all on at the one time
And have them all compete for the likely 10Mbit of likely possible wireless bandwidth. And there you have yet another reason why your robbing a server of bandwidth. But hey you know best.
apt.pupil wrote:
I am talking the time it takes for my sparky to have the time to come and do it for me. He is very busy
And how does that equate to days of downtime, requirements for third lines etc?
apt.pupil wrote:
that was not my intention. What the point
The point is you offered very bad advice and were corrected. You can pontificate till the cows come home, offer up all sorts of malarkey the simple fact is "No machine should be exposed to the Internet unprotected ever" end of story no need to reply.
apt.pupil wrote:
It was actually the Telstra iternal training that turned the convoluted mess of "industry terms" into relatively understandable english
yeah right, along with their automated customer response system. Raindog simply shakes his head. Some people just don't want to be helped.
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HAIL 5890 or die
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Posted: 05/02/2010 12:02 PM
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Raindog wrote:
Why the insistence in cables through doors, or is that how its done in Qld?
I DO like to have some privacy on the odd occasion. Thats how QLD lives indeed. And in my house there is barely half a centimetre gap between the floor and the bottom of the door, so after a week of opening and shutting the door to my room- it tends to squash the cable a little bit. After longer periods of time, the cables start breaking
Raindog wrote:
$80 for 305m yeah the expense must be a killer. Other than the Qld practice of through door wiring why would it ever have to be replaced?
Last time i looked in Dick Smith, the Cta5e cable was $70 for 50m. THAT is what i call expensive
Raindog wrote:
And have them all compete for the likely 10Mbit of likely possible wireless bandwidth. And there you have yet another reason why your robbing a server of bandwidth. But hey you know best.
As i have already told you. BoH Service checks against my Address qualified me for getting up to 8MBit/s speeds, but the website checkers say DSL2+.
Raindog wrote:
yeah right, along with their automated customer response system. Raindog simply shakes his head. Some people just don't want to be helped.
well if you could point me to other sources of reference that do not break down into jargon as opposed to just taking an opportunity to take a pot shot at me, then i would research it after work. As it is- everywhere i looked on the internet(including whirlpool) broke down into jargon i was forced to pretend to understand. The line packet switching was actually a suggestion from Whirlpool to boost my latency, but it made things worse instead.
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Posted: 06/02/2010 12:02 AM
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Been doing a bit of searching, found out that The TPG ADSL2+ Super fast plan for 29 $ and the Dodo Metro silver plan for the same price to be of my interest.
However the TPG ADSL plan seems to be offering lesser amounts of data download quota. Now there seems to be lot of fine print and it’s hard to make out that weather the plans are with home phone or without the home phone, but as far as I can understand that the TPG plan is without the home phone and the dodo plan with the home phone
Anyways making things damn confusing are considering the different shaping speeds of both the service providers. In case of TGP, it seems to be 128 kb/s and in case of dodo it seems to be 64 kb/s
So just kind summing up things
The TPG plan is $29 – 5 gb peak and 8 gb off peak - 18 months contract – home phone cost extra
Total -$539
The DOD plan is for $29 – 5gb peak and 10 gm off peak – 24 months contract – home phone incl total $1315 (on same 18 months basis the cost is $986 just calculations…)
So considering that Dodo is bundling the deal with a home phone, seems to be quite decent? But then do let me know If there is something that I am missing here or if there are better deals out there?
Initially i though i was confused....now i am loosing my mind....help help
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