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Posted: 19/02/2010 6:02 PM
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I have installed Karmic on my laptop and I am having a great time fiddling with it.
However, one question has arisen from the experience.
How do I uninstall it should the need arise?
It is dual booted with XP so the uninstall process would have to get rid of the bootloader too and restore things to normal.
Nev
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Posted: 20/02/2010 9:02 AM
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Nev wrote:
How do I uninstall it should the need arise?
This is a trick question isn't it? because there is no good reason to ever want to un-install a Linux. :)
However if for some bizarre reason, (I dunno say you wanted to give the laptop to a fan-boy) what you would do is delete the Nix partition/s and redo the master boot record for windows.
Nev wrote:
restore things to normal.
Normal is a state of mind, you'll find Ubuntu quite normal with very little effort at all.
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Posted: 20/02/2010 10:02 AM
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Raindog wrote:
This is a trick question isn't it? because there is no good reason to ever want to un-install a Linux. :)
Linux is an absolute pain to use windows apps on.
Sure WINE does some of the apps- but every single app i have needed WINE to run correctly simply doesn't.
If you are an uber geek or have managed to toss the windows dependancy on certain applications then by all means- linux is a fun platform to play with and use.
My reasons for uninstalling Linux were quite simple:
Winamp would only partially run in Linux systems, and since there is bugger all good media player that play proprietary formats(i support proprietary software/content when it is worth the dollar value)- winamp was the ONLY choice for me.
games are also a reason why i will keep to windows for a long time to come.
there are a few other apps i used to use as well back then that wouldn't run, but my need for them has long expired and i have forgotten the program names now.
Also back in the day(2-3 years back) i foolhardedly went in and followed what every 'nux boy on the ubuntu forums said to do and that was to run ubuntu 7.10 on a seperate partition on the same HDD, because there was absolutely no problem and had full file system compatibility with windows. It turned out that my drive was NTFS, and it could only read(not write) to FAT32.
I had backed up the most important information, but things like my favorite programs and HDD stability went out the closed window, and i had to reformat the HDD. When i tried again on the windows installation for the second time, i found that windows XP refused to reformat the HDD to FAT32.
It was then that i spent $80 over a 2 hour phone call to microsoft support that i decided from now on i would learn how to fix my own problems, and i am still self- learning today, because i can not afford either an $80 phone call to Microsoft of $100+ for a 2 hour job at a computer shop.
Raindog wrote:
However if for some bizarre reason, (I dunno say you wanted to give the laptop to a fan-boy) what you would do is delete the Nix partition/s and redo the master boot record for windows
You might want to add that you will need to windows installation Cd to boot into recovery mode and to open the CMD console and enter a particular line of code to restore the master boot record. i can't remember the line of code now- i will get back to you on that.
Raindog wrote:
Normal is a state of mind, you'll find Ubuntu quite normal with very little effort at all.
Nah. i think i'll stick with proprietary software. that way it is easier for me to understand, and its gonna cost me less to fix it myself- since i have a good working knowledge of windows now(sadly- im gonna have to go back to Vista in 10 days- i didn't get my money together in time for ultimate edition. stoopid ex girlfriends and getting a bloke in debt)
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Posted: 20/02/2010 4:02 PM
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from memory, I think the code is:
fixmbr
fixboot
I don't really like linux because of exactly what apt.pupil said.
and don't accuse me of being a fanboy because i'm not :)
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Posted: 20/02/2010 5:02 PM
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apt.pupil wrote:
Linux is an absolute pain to use windows apps on.
It's not easy to fit Commodore parts to a Falcon either, and just as illogical, why in heck would you want to run windows apps?
apt.pupil wrote:
If you are an uber geek or
... or are someone capable of following simple instructions or reading documentation.
apt.pupil wrote:
winamp was the ONLY choice for me
There you go with that square peg int the round hole again. No available Linux media players? Are you not capable of running a google search?
apt.pupil wrote:
games are also a reason why
but not a good reason! You only get 70 or so years upright on this planet, why would you want to waste large chunks of that shooting onscreen aliens? :)
apt.pupil wrote:
there are a few other apps i used to use as well back then that wouldn't run
square peg, round hole, it's becoming a regular theme.
apt.pupil wrote:
but my need for them has long expired and i have forgotten the program names now.
So you don't like Linux because it wont run apps you no longer use that you don't remember the name of? You've really thought this through, haven't you?
apt.pupil wrote:
Also back in the day(2-3 years back) i foolhardedly went in and followed what every 'nux boy on the ubuntu forums
You might think of this next time you get all crossed up about someone suggesting your advice may not be a good idea for the masses. Hmm?
apt.pupil wrote:
It turned out that my drive was NTFS, and it could only read(not write) to FAT32.
Your windows drive was NTFS or FAT32 yes, nothing in that stops Windows or Nix for that matter reading from and writing to Fat32. Never was, hell many pre installed Windows partitions are still delivered as FAT32.
apt.pupil wrote:
and i had to reformat the HDD
No you didn't! Your data could have been easily recovered from either OS of a FAT32 partition, or a NTFS or EXT partition with a few readily down-loadable utilities. Reading before clicking solves so many perceived maladies.
apt.pupil wrote:
It was then that i spent $80 over a 2 hour phone call to microsoft support that i decided from now on i would learn how to fix my own problems
You could have save the $80 and got oodles of better help and advice, for no cost, if you'd asked in the right places. Then again Help forums don't take kindly to people who ask questions and then suggest their own wrong answer, without listening. (I doubt kevin Rudd has ever had much luck on forums. Doubt he's ever had much luck maintaining a sensible conversation to be truthful.)
apt.pupil wrote:
i would learn how to fix my own problems
The only way to be, but fixing your own problems has nothing to do with ignoring good advice, or re-inventing wheels.
apt.pupil wrote:
because i can not afford either an $80 phone call to Microsoft of $100+ for a 2 hour job at a computer shop.
Then you cannot really afford to screw around with random an unresearched solutions. If budgets are tight can you really afford to buy software when a fully fully functional replacement is just a free download away?
apt.pupil wrote:
You might want to add that you will need to windows installation Cd to boot into recovery mode
I could have done that, I could have suggested the command typed out by another respondent too. But I think its better to point people in the right direction and let then actually learn how to achieve their goals rather than simply offering a a how to that they may or may not understand. his is a forum for those who are supposed to have a clue after-all.
apt.pupil wrote:
and enter a particular line of code to restore the master boot record. i can't remember the line of code now
I can! See the advantage of actually learning about your subject?
apt.pupil wrote:
Nah. i think i'll stick with proprietary software. that way it is easier for me to understand, and its gonna cost me less to fix
Like the aforementioned $80/hr, you've really thought this through.
[quote=apt.pupil]
since i have a good working knowledge of windows now
Working knowledge or comfortable familiarity?
Use whatever operating system you choose, but don't bag out another because you cannot be bother to become as familiar with it. Apart from running some games most of your arguments would come out more in favour of Linux than of windows.
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Posted: 21/02/2010 1:02 PM
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Raindog wrote:
So you don't like Linux because it wont run apps you no longer use that you don't remember the name of? You've really thought this through, haven't you?
I play games on a regular basis, use microsoft office 2007(i hate the cluttered interface of open office), and use winamp 24/7. There were other apps i used to use, but i migrated to cloud for those other uses.
Raindog wrote:
Your windows drive was NTFS or FAT32 yes, nothing in that stops Windows or Nix for that matter reading from and writing to Fat32. Never was, hell many pre installed Windows partitions are still delivered as FAT32.
thats what the 'nux boys said.
Raindog wrote:
No you didn't! Your data could have been easily recovered from either OS of a FAT32 partition, or a NTFS or EXT partition with a few readily down-loadable utilities. Reading before clicking solves so many perceived maladies
actually my POST screen told me that the HDD could not be booted. data was corrupt.
I had no computer, at the time, my phone was unable to actually browse the wap internet, so my only other choice was to take it into my local dodgy pc repair shop or call microsoft and get their top- tier support in just even getting windows running. So what the 'nux fanbois told me about ubuntu 7.10 being able to run with windows on one partition was a big, bad lie that left me $80 short(my local repair shop at the time would have easily charged dounle because of the 2 hours work)
Raindog wrote:
Then you cannot really afford to screw around with random an unresearched solutions. If budgets are tight can you really afford to buy software when a fully fully functional replacement is just a free download away?
things are different now. I have set up a dual- boot of windows Vista and windows 7 without any partitioning, just seperate HDDs.(windows 7 is expiring in 9 days so i may regrettably go back to 'nux until i can afford 7 ultimate)- so that should things go awry like they did for me once before- i can always have access to my data- and not have to put up with the failure of Nero backup. I am also no longer working door to door, so im being paid a mediocre amount instead of pathetic
Raindog wrote:
I could have done that, I could have suggested the command typed out by another respondent too. But I think its better to point people in the right direction and let then actually learn how to achieve their goals rather than simply offering a a how to that they may or may not understand. his is a forum for those who are supposed to have a clue after-all
well from what i read of your earlier reply- you didn't even do so much as hint them in the right direction- just saying that it can be done.
Raindog wrote:
I can! See the advantage of actually learning about your subject?
i have only had to use the code once in 6 months. and since i can not actually study on that subject without going through the pain of having to restore the broken system myself- a note of the code on a piece of paper small enough to fit in a pants pocket is easily lost, which is ironically what happened
Raindog wrote:
Use whatever operating system you choose, but don't bag out another because you cannot be bother to become as familiar with it. Apart from running some games most of your arguments would come out more in favour of Linux than of windows.
its not a matter of not being bothered to familairize myself. Its a matter of consistent bad experiences of hardware breaking everytime i touch Linux. last time i touched Linux(before Koala) my RAM failed on me, and then when i uninstalled it- i had a DIMM slot break on me. i still haven't replaced the mobo, but put a stroke from a permanent marker on the edge so i know that particular DIMM slot has failed and put the rest of my RAM into the other DIMM pair.
call it bad luck, bad user, whatever you will.
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Posted: 21/02/2010 2:02 PM
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apt.pupil wrote:
thats what the 'nux boys said.
Probably because it is correct. If everyone is telling you this, perhaps it's a good time to have another look at your erroneous conclusions.
apt.pupil wrote:
actually my POST screen told me that the HDD could not be booted
Do what? POST telling you this?
apt.pupil wrote:
So what the 'nux fanbois told me about ubuntu 7.10 being able to run with windows on one partition was a big, bad
No it wasn't, are you saying everyone but you is wrong? I have dual boot running via partitions are you calling me a liar? APC has a whole series of how-to's on just this from this very site? Are you saying those are all wrong too?
apt.pupil wrote:
that left me $80 short
No what left you out of pocket was your own impatience and refusal to listen.
apt.pupil wrote:
my local repair shop at the time would have easily charged dounle because of the 2 hours work
Uh huh, what do you consider an hours labour to be worth?
apt.pupil wrote:
I have set up a dual- boot of windows Vista and windows 7 without any partitioning, just seperate HDDs
Separate disks are my preference but that is purely for convenience, there is no reason whatsoever why multiple OS's cannot be run from he one hard disk. 1,000's are in operation every day, your suggestion you were told a lie is simply nonsense.
apt.pupil wrote:
well from what i read of your earlier reply- you didn't even do so much as hint them in the right direction-
Then clearly you have mis-read!
apt.pupil wrote:
just saying that it can be done.
What were you expecting? Like I told you before, enough information for someone to do their own research. Providing a bunch of commands wont help anyone learn anything.
apt.pupil wrote:
and since i can not actually study on that subject without going through the pain of having to restore the broken system myself
excuses, excuses. Only one stopping you learning is you.
apt.pupil wrote:
its not a matter of not being bothered to familairize myself. Its a matter of consistent bad experiences of hardware breaking everytime i touch Linux.
That contradiction says in spades that it is entirely an issue of familiarisation, an OS install wont damage hardware! It wont! no matter what you have convinced yourself happens.
apt.pupil wrote:
last time i touched Linux(before Koala) my RAM failed on me
Nothing to do with Linux! Or any OS!
apt.pupil wrote:
and then when i uninstalled it- i had a DIMM slot break on me.
Again nothing to do with software, operator error, again.
apt.pupil wrote:
call it bad luck, bad user, whatever you will.
I'll call it operator error, and haste, nothing to do what so ever with any OS software.
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Posted: 21/02/2010 3:02 PM
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Raindog wrote:
Probably because it is correct. If everyone is telling you this, perhaps it's a good time to have another look at your erroneous conclusions.
i had printed out the instructions provided by the 'nux bois and the wiki and what happened? something went wrong when i followed their instructions.
Raindog wrote:
Do what? POST telling you this?
the message i got in the POST screen was HDD boot error: device is corrupt
Raindog wrote:
Separate disks are my preference but that is purely for convenience, there is no reason whatsoever why multiple OS's cannot be run from he one hard disk. 1,000's are in operation every day, your suggestion you were told a lie is simply nonsense.
Once again- i followed step by step instructions directly from the forums AND the wiki on dual OS on one partition. it failed to work as i was told it would work. Also note that windows XP was working perfectly fine at the time.
Raindog wrote:
That contradiction says in spades that it is entirely an issue of familiarisation, an OS install wont damage hardware! It wont! no matter what you have convinced yourself happens.
Maybe not, but dont you find the coincidence of everytime i stray into the open source field for OSes- something goes wrong with my hardware? first of all it was the corrupt HDD. that could either be Linux OR environmental factors. and i will give credit where it's due: the HDD was 18 months old- so it could have easily been because it has had a little run for its money. I replaced it for a brand new one- even though a full disk forat could have fixed it. this was a matter of choice. The rest of them has just happened to be a bad coincidence which has helped make me fear the linux platform entirely. When hardware fails in Linux and not windows- it makes you wonder.
In sumary so you dont get mixed messages- i have had a bad time with Linux. I have given it plenty of chances, but coincidental hardware failures when i try linux scare me off personally. This does not mean i bash Linux- in fact i do not once see me bashing other people for using a platform that works for them. if you thought that- you are gravely mistaken.
When something goes wrong with my hardware in windows- it takes all of a reset of CMOS, a boot into windows safe mode(provided the hardware failure is not that extreme) and a quick glance at the windows error logs to see where the failure is at.
In Linux- if hardware fails on me- i have to reboot, reset CMOS, corss my fingers and hope i can log into Linux long engough to peruse over Linux forums provided by google and wikipedia to try and find out how to find out what went wrong.
thats why- to be safe from now on- i will always have a seperate HDD with an OS that i will be able to boot through- should it hit the fan again
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Posted: 21/02/2010 3:02 PM
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apt.pupil wrote:
i had printed out the instructions provided by the 'nux bois and the wiki and what happened? something went wrong when i followed their instructions.
What was i saying about using step by step instruction for people who do not fully grasp what is going on?
apt.pupil wrote:
it failed to work as i was told it would work
and you ignored all the reason to why this was the case? Did you explain your problem to the people you got the instructions from?
apt.pupil wrote:
but dont you find the coincidence of everytime i stray into the open source field for OSes- something goes wrong with my hardware?
coincidence yes, nothing but a coincidence, I'll repeat because you are not getting it. "The OS has nothing to do with any hardware failures"
apt.pupil wrote:
I replaced it for a brand new one- even though a full disk forat could have fixed it.
If a format could have fixed it, then no hardware failure had occurred!
apt.pupil wrote:
this was a matter of choice.
and nothing to do with an alleged hardware failure
apt.pupil wrote:
which has helped make me fear the linux platform entirely
unfounded superstition has no place in computing!
apt.pupil wrote:
When hardware fails in Linux
But no hardware did fail due to Linux, you snapped your DIMM socket, it was something you did that scrambled your HDD, and yet you choose to unfairly label an OS as the cause of your problems.
apt.pupil wrote:
This does not mean i bash Linux
Of course not, your suggesting that a Linux is responsible for a whole mess of your own failures, is not bashing, is it? Your accusations are unfair, erroneous and a result of your own haste, nothing else.
apt.pupil wrote:
When something goes wrong with my hardware in windows
And when something goes wrong in software due to your own actions? Windows is offering you that safe place, that comfort zone. Windows is no better at diagnosis than Nix and is a damn sight worse in terms of logs and useful error information.
apt.pupil wrote:
In Linux- if hardware fails on me- i have to reboot
It's all hardware failures with you, isn't it. Heaven knows how much hardware you've sacked for no reason.
apt.pupil wrote:
thats why- to be safe from now on- i will always have a seperate HDD with an OS that i will be able to boot through- should it hit the fan again
That's not such a bad strategy, of course you will need another disk or media if you need to transfer information between OS's. And despite it being quite a good way for some it's not for everyone, and you remain in error suggesting Multiple OS's on different position of the same physical disk cannot be done.
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Posted: 21/02/2010 4:02 PM
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Raindog wrote:
But no hardware did fail due to Linux, you snapped your DIMM socket, it was something you did that scrambled your HDD, and yet you choose to unfairly label an OS as the cause of your problems.
the DIMM socket is well and truly intact, thank you very much. there is not so much as a connection bent out of shape in the socket. I have had a look for myself.
the corrupt HDD may not be so much of a hardware failure- since it was only the data on it that POST was unable to boot.
I did not label it as the cause of my problems either. i simply said that everytime i try Linux- some piece of hardware on my pc breaks.
maybe you should do the reading a little more and less harbor grudges.
Raindog wrote:
It's all hardware failures with you, isn't it. Heaven knows how much hardware you've sacked for no reason.
testing hardware in a pc shop for failures is not enough evidence? I like to know why my Corsair, OCZ AND kingston RAM all seem to keep failing on me. in windows they would throw a blue screen on boot with a consistent Hex code result and .sys process that failed, in Linux, they wouldn't boot at all. dont even get me started on OCZ's standards of replacing RAM either. they swapped my RAM overseas 4GB(2X2GB) to 2GB(2X1GB). without pointing the blame directly at an OS, the only other thing i can do is point out what the symptoms are
Raindog wrote:
Of course not, your suggesting that a Linux is responsible for a whole mess of your own failures, is not bashing, is it? Your accusations are unfair, erroneous and a result of your own haste, nothing else.
Once again: read what i say- everytime i touch linux, its coincidental that some piece of hardware fails on me, isnt it?
crap dude- i laid it all out for you in almost those exact words and you still found a way to make it look like i am bashin 'nux.
Raindog wrote:
and you remain in error suggesting Multiple OS's on different position of the same physical disk cannot be done.
Once again i have not said it can not be done, only said that my experience in doing so has not exactly been a box of roses, and from my experiences- i would not exactly recommend it. I have also gone to pains to explain that i did it some time ago, and things may be different now. but you go off and single out one line and ignore the rest. you are almost as bad as news.com.au
raindog wrote:
and since i can not actually study on that subject without going through the pain of having to restore the broken system myself
here is something for you to google then. its called NVLD, an acronym for NonVerbal Learning Disorder. Currently it is an obstacle that i cant get around until there is better support for education for the Autistic in Australia. Now i have gone and revealed something about me on what should be an anonymous forum. thanks for that
OK one note to Raindog- when i described the symptoms of my DIMM failures- i am saying this in past tense. i have fixed the issue since then, and that fix that saved me buying a whole new motherboard and going thorugh the process of deregistering my OEM vista from the existing motherboard was for me to cut back from 6GB DDR2 RAM on my mobo down to 4GB DDR2 RAM and use the working DIMM slots remaining. As a result- i now have a spare 4GB DDR2 RAM sitting in my pc hardware spares cupboard in dust and static- proof wrapping
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