APC December 08: Windows 7 to fix Vista

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DanWarneAPC New user 32 posts Posted: 24/11/2008 11:11 AM	Microsoft’s first demonstration of Vista’s successor, Windows 7, took place at a recent developer conference, we were there to check it out. It seems that Microsoft will fast-track it in the hope that XP loyalists will bypass Vista and move straight to the next-gen OS. Have you checked it out yet? If you’re still on XP, will you skip Vista completely?
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BrownieBoy User 10 posts Posted: 26/11/2008 10:11 AM

Has APC's sub-edting dept been outsourced to Microsoft? Here, in order, are the headlines on the front cover of December's APC: * REVENGE OF THE PC * SORRY APPLE, THE PC's BACK! * CORE i7 + WINDOWS 7 = COOL * Intel's new Core i7 chip turns your PC into a supercomputer - while Windows 7 fixes Vista! Inside, this translates into two articles on Windows 7; one from Jame Bannan and the other from David Flynn. A third article reviews Intel's new Core i7 CPU. Predictably, Mr Bannan parrots out the MS line, gushing about all the things that Windows 7 "should" fix (over Vista). Although he does, at least, draw attention to his own repeated use of the word "should", explaining that it really means "we [Microsoft] think it should behave like this but we don't really know for sure". Quite so. And it's a shame that such reflection couldn't stretch to the magazine's front page headlines; it's "Windows 7 fixes Vista!" remember. No conditions. It's a given. It's all fixed. Mr Bannan goes on to say "The important thing to realise is that Windows 7 isn't 'Vista as it should have been'". Sorry, James; that's not what I've been hearing. Not least from APC's own David Flynn, who says, two pages later: "To date, it appears that Windows 7 is, by and large, Vista revisited. It's Vista with the wisdom of hindsight". Mr Flynn then goes on to explain, as I read it, that Windows 7 is really an exercise in treading water. Microsoft just wants to keep the kettle boiling until the hardware in general circulation has enough to oomph to run the new OS. So, onto the Core i7 CPU review. Nothing wrong with that. The CPU looks very nice, in fact. The problem is that Macintoshes have also been based on Intel CPUs for quite some time now, and there's nothing in the review to suggest that this won't be the case with the Core i7 too. So, where's the PC's big advantage here? (Remember, "Sorry Apple, the PC's back!"). In fact, a sub panel in the review, entitle "Thread Management In Vista Gives Core i7 A Headache" suggest the PC won't get such a big boost, after all. And if Windows 7 is, indeed, Vista warmed over, the same will apply there too. Maybe OS X is actually the one to take full advantage of this new chip?

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Halcon IT the final frontier User 78 posts Posted: 26/11/2008 2:11 PM

I do still use Windows XP, when Windows Vista was announced almost two years ago, I wanted to buy the OS for my PC. Then, surprise, the newest OS has been out to the market with several variants, and crippled performance, yet so many people resist to buy or upgrade it. At this stage this is just a marketing hype, I don't think Microsoft will fix the OS to avoid a repeat of Vista woes. Steve Ballmer, said of Windows Seven that will be a better Windows Vista (he didn't wanted to say this new OS will be Vista Second Edition) If he keeps talking and arrogantly view that his company will succeed in turning around the debacle made by promoting a better user experience, he is wrong! No one will buy a crippled OS, with ridiculous measures to stop legitimate users to use the software in their machines, such as WGA, Activation, DRM and other nuisances. The Operating System is the soul that powers the Personal Computer, to work with everyday, every user has paid a lot of money just for a single disc, Microsoft is abusing of its position because nobody challenges this rotten company. With more than 90% worldwide of the computers using Any version of Microsoft Windows, this dominance has escalated in utter abuse, Mac and Linux OS looks a mere pretenders in comparison With MS. If Microsoft is willing to mend its wrong doing then it must start with better performance without restrictions, lowering the price of its products, a single product with no more variants, ditch WGA altogether, if they want to keep activation then no more product key to type; also it must accept computers that are currently running Windows XP. If this is not met, then goodbye Microsoft, I will not buy anything anymore!

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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor New user 209 posts Posted: 27/11/2008 7:11 AM

BrownieBoy wrote: Predictably, Mr Bannan parrots out the MS line, No Mr Bannon, put forward an article based on his experience and on pre-release material he has access to. Mr Bannon clearly states his personal bias and preferences within his article. What is predictable is yours and other fan-boys various bursting forth in protection of your OS of choice. BrownieBoy wrote: And it's a shame that such reflection couldn't stretch to the magazine's front page headlines; And this differs from headlines the world over how exactly? What were you expecting? BrownieBoy wrote: Mr Bannan goes on to say "The important thing to realise is that Windows 7 isn't 'Vista as it should have been'". Sorry, James; that's not what I've been hearing. Not least from APC's own David Flynn, It's called diversity of opinion. If you approach the world expecting every written piece you encounter to align with your own viewpoint then your destined for disappointment aren't you. And despite your claims what you've basically demonstrated is that APC is presenting a balanced presentation of a wide range of points of view. BrownieBoy wrote: And if Windows 7 is, indeed, Vista warmed over, the same will apply there too. And if? And if your guesses and supposition don't align with reality who'll be wiping egg away from face. I often differ in opinion from the views of many APC scribes but at least I can be sure they are reporting from a basis just a little more secure than popular myth. Disagree with what people have to say by all means but if you cannot do so without personal swipes then be prepared for some close examination of your own credentials.

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BrownieBoy User 10 posts Posted: 27/11/2008 11:11 AM

Oh dear. Did somebody get out bed the wrong side? Raindog wrote: No Mr Bannon, put forward an article based on his experience and on pre-release material he has access to First off, it's Bannan not Bannon. And his "experience" at the time of writing the article, appears to consist of watching a Microsoft demo, and then reading their hand outs. In other words, no real experience at all. Anybody can make a demo look good. At least, that's what I could gather from reading the article in the mag. (Have you?) Raindog wrote: It's called diversity of opinion Quite so. And my opinion - I am allowed one, am I not? - happens to coincide more with that of Mr Flynn than that of Mr Bannan. Raindog wrote: And despite your claims what you've basically demonstrated is that APC is presenting a balanced presentation of a wide range of points of view. The articles are balanced, yes. And I think I made that point in the post. My complaint was the bias in the front page headlines. Raindog wrote: And this differs from headlines the world over how exactly? What were you expecting? I expect the same the same kind of balance that the actual articles demonstrated. I know that space for headlines on a magazine front page is limited, but I don't think that's an excuse. Raindog wrote: if you cannot do so without personal swipes Physician, heal thyself.

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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor New user 209 posts Posted: 27/11/2008 1:11 PM

BrownieBoy wrote: First off, it's Bannan not Bannon. My mistake, my apologies to Mr Bannan. BrownieBoy wrote: And his "experience" at the time of writing the article, appears to consist of watching a Microsoft demo, and then reading their hand outs. You'd not have to read too far to see Mr Bannan's credentials are a little more complete than what you suggest. BrownieBoy wrote: At least, that's what I could gather from reading the article in the mag. (Have you?) Well since you ask. Yes, I have read the current article and numerous other related articles by both the authors mentioned. BrownieBoy wrote: Quite so. And my opinion - I am allowed one, am I not? You can have 3 opinions for all I care, when did having an opinion become license to deride the credibility of an author with who you disagree? BrownieBoy wrote: I expect the same the same kind of balance that the actual articles demonstrated. Expect what you like, but the commercial reality of creating headlines that grasp the attention from busy newsagent shelves, will probably be of a lot greater importance than construction of headlines than meet the BrownieBoy headline satisfaction rating. I'd have though educated readers would have been more concerned with the content of the article than with any headline splashes. Are you suggesting the magazine content falls short? BrownieBoy wrote: I know that space for headlines on a magazine front page is limited, but I don't think that's an excuse. Excuse? What excuse? How has any of the headlines oversold the publication? Would you prefer no headlines? Or perhaps images of small fuzzy animals? BrownieBoy wrote: I expect the same the same kind of balance that the actual articles demonstrated. And from this editorial balance you feel best able to issue a one sided reply deriding the author you personal lack of balance dictate you disagree with?

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BrownieBoy User 10 posts Posted: 28/11/2008 5:11 PM

Raindog wrote: when did having an opinion become license to deride the credibility of an author with who you disagree? How did I deride his credibility, exactly? I think this author is pro-Microsoft. So what? Lots of people are. I also think that Ashton Mills is pro-Linux. Did I just undermine Ashton's credibility by saying that? I think not. Raindog wrote: You'd not have to read too far to see Mr Bannan's credentials are a little more complete than what you suggest. I'm sure his credentials are just dandy, but then I didn't question them in the first place. I questioned the nature of his exposure to a specific product at a specific time, and whether such limited exposure gave him the rights to make the claims that he does. I also went out of my way to point out the note of caution that he uses later on in the article. Hardly a hatchet job on my part, methinks. Raindog wrote: How has any of the headlines oversold the publication? By making statements when the articles asked questions. I think "Revenge of the PC?" would have been more honest. It would have been just as arresting a headline; would have taken up barely more space on the cover; and doesn't feature any fuzzy animals.

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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor New user 209 posts Posted: 30/11/2008 9:11 PM

BrownieBoy wrote: How did I deride his credibility, perhaps lines like <em>Predictably, Mr Bannan parrots out the MS line, gushing about</em> in your reply may have given that impression? hmm? BrownieBoy wrote: I questioned the nature of his exposure to a specific product at a specific time, and whether such limited exposure gave him the rights to make the claims that he does. Limited exposure? How did you determine Mr Bannans exposure was limited? Gave him the right? What gived you the right to suggest Mr Bannan should not express an opinion? You bang on often enough about your right of expression, you'd think you'd believe the author was entitled to the same priviledge. Disagree bu all means? But if you can't do so without attempting to deride the author then it's unlikely you have thought your reply through. Or maybe you were predictably parrotiing out an anti MS line gushing about? enjoy!

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plutonium210 User 37 posts Posted: 02/12/2008 9:12 AM	Raindog makes another 'friend' ..... LOL
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Raindog Why is the tag-line so damn shor New user 209 posts Posted: 02/12/2008 10:12 AM	plutonium210 again adds nothing of value and wishes to disrupt rather than participate constructively in the discussion. Get a hobby, you moron! Your pointless snipes are nothing but tedium for others to endure. Come back when you have something on topic to contribute.
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