Google to release own browser: 10 reasons it's a bad idea

Angus Kidman02 September 2008, 2:42 PM

Google's plans to release its own browser have got everyone jabbering with excitement, but here's 10 reasons why it's a seriously bad idea.


Google's plans to release its own browser have got everyone jabbering with excitement even before the first beta of the product comes out, but as the Google Video debacle proved, slapping the Google brand onto something doesn't automatically make it a good idea. Here's 10 reasons why Google should not be pushing ahead with Chrome.

The browser as platform model doesn't work.

Google's fundamental argument for building its own browser is that "a modern platform for web pages and applications" is needed, rather than just a simple browser. But this is hardly a new idea — the notion that the browser could become your main operating environment has been kicking around for over a decade without ever seriously threatening the conventional operating system market.

Sure, it's handy to have browser-based applications for life on the go, but between unreliable net connections, working on planes and restrictive download limits, there's a clear need for local applications. (Support for Gears, although built into Chrome, isn't widespread enough even in Google's own applications to make that a practical solution at the moment.)

AJAX is not the be-all and end-all.

The emphasis in Chrome is on making AJAX applications run faster, with enhanced JavaScript execution a clear focus. But AJAX is not the sole environment in which online applications are run. For practical purposes, Chrome will be largely meaningless until support gets added for (at the very least) Java and Flash. (To be fair, Silverlight support probably doesn't matter. Adobe Air? Your guess is as good as mine.)

Minimalism is not the be-all and end-all either.

"Like the classic Google homepage, Google Chrome is clean and fast," Google's official announcement notes. "It gets out of your way and gets you where you want to go." But there's a big difference here: the Google homepage is designed to do just one really simple thing: provide a search box. Even the most stripped-back browser needs a lot more than that. I'm all for dumping reams of meaningless buttons, but I have a nasty feeling Google might take this a bit too far.

Menus are not the work of Satan.

A particular example of this is the plans to allow applications to launch from Chrome in a so-called 'chromeless' window, without menus or title bars. My experience in ministering to the tech support needs of non-geeks (translate: friends and relatives) suggests that ditching menus (a familiar element) is very often a dumb idea. (Although in Google's partial defence, Microsoft is tending towards the same stupid approach in most of its current products.)

Some so-called innovations are already available in other browsers.

One of the main hype points for Chrome is that each tab runs as a separate process, and thus can be closed if it becomes unstable without having to shut down the whole browser. That's a potentially useful idea, but not a new one; IE8 already has a similar feature.

Chrome takes little account of mobility.

One of the biggest nuisance factors in trying to access browser applications today is that what works well on a big screen doesn't translate onto a mobile device. While Google has a pretty good track record in customising its sites for mobility and making some applications, the initial release of Chrome is defiantly Windows-only; Mac and Linux will follow at an unspecified future date, but there's no word on whether iPhone, BlackBerry, Symbian or Windows Mobile or in the pipeline. And speaking of unspecified . . .

The future direction isn't clear.

The news of Chrome leaked over a US holiday weekend (good way to get the coverage in a slow news period, guys), and we've been promised an initial Windows-only beta. Beyond that, it's not clear whether this will become a major focus for Google (a la Gmail), a side distraction that never amounts to much (a la Page Creator) or a neat idea that doesn't get enough traction to really matter (Gears again). Why would a developer concentrate on a platform with an uncertain roadmap? (And no, a comic book is not a roadmap.)

It's another pain in the butt for developers.

Having to maintain sites to work in multiple browsers is already a major nuisance. Currently, developers have to ensure their sites work OK in Firefox, Internet Explorer and Safari as a bare minimum (and that's not counting the multiple flavours of each browser, an especially big pain with IE8's worthy but painful commitment to standards). Adding Chrome to the list is bound to cause more problems, especially in the short term.

There'll be forked versions a-plenty.

Google has committed to making Chrome open source, which is commendable, and might result in support for platforms (like mobile phones) that get ignored early on. On the other hand, it could also result in dozens of Chrome derivatives kicking around, none with a substantial market share but also potentially requiring developer support. Which connects neatly to the final big issue . . .

It won't be good for Firefox.

Firefox has managed to build its market share substantially over the last few years, with most estimates suggesting it has at least 25% of Net users now use it as their main browser. It seems unlikely that it can displace Microsoft's Internet Explorer from the top slot, but the fact that most of the noticeable front-end improvement in IE8 are copied from similar features in Firefox shows the benefits of having a healthy competitor.

Chrome isn't going to help out there. While Google has been a major backer of Firefox, providing funding and coders, and apparently plans to remain so, adding another competitor to the mix isn't going to do much for Firefox market . For casual Internet users who go on brand name and manage to look past IE, who do you think they're going to go with: the familiar Google brand name or something named after a lizard?


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thepumpboy (New user):

why, oh why? because google see this as the 'next' platform. But lets face it, us geeks will be the early adopters and try it out. It will be interesting once android eventually comes out if this will impact their usage. For me? I'll stick to Firefox on the PC and Safari on the Mac and iPhone

02 September 2008, 3:03 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bubbles (New user):

I am surprised it took Google this long. I am a developer, so I will download and peruse the the source. Their idea of start from scratch is interesting... but if you really mean why that keep the DOM i.e. HTML? Especially if you motivation is web app improvement? Hell if you really want to start from scratch dump HTTP while your at it.

I would have been more happy to see Google help incorporate these ideas in the next release of Firefox instead of their own brand. BTW, why is it named chrome...? Maybe the end game is Chrome merges with Firefox. Call it Silverfox. You can have Betty White be the spokesperson.

02 September 2008, 3:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Net Apps ! When is this inane idea ever going to go away ?

And I'll agree with the 'Menus' staying argument ! IE7 and WMP 11 have menus visible on my system. It's like analogue gauges and analogue faced watches .... Both comfortable friends :)

02 September 2008, 4:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Couldn't agree more. But then if its done well, then its great!
People who says menus suck are colourblind.

02 September 2008, 5:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Net Apps ! When is this inane idea ever going to go away ?

It's not going away. While naff net word-processors and picture editors may fail, specialist net Apps will continue to prosper.




03 September 2008, 10:12 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chris (User):

Menus may not ALWAYS be the devil but I can think of several times when they are. Undesirable 1: Outlook

02 September 2008, 4:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

It's not the menus that are undesirable in Outlook... It's all the weird bugs MS acknowledges but refuse to fix (some have been present for almost a decade).

02 September 2008, 8:01 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
It's not the menus that are undesirable in Outlook...

Too true, although the layout and structure of those menus should have improved (evolved) greatly, rather then the item shuffling that has occurred between recent versions.


03 September 2008, 10:17 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Arief (New user):

this is a pretty rushed article, most of it is speculation and personal opinion, hardly any substantial arguments or real analysis on why Google Chrome would be a bad idea.

FAIL.

02 September 2008, 4:56 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JackW (New user):

I think you are being a LITTLE pessimistic. People have the right to make their own software, and you are just finding groundless reason after reason to not touch this browser. You are an obvious IE fanboy. Go back to it.

02 September 2008, 4:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Is there such a thing as an IE Fanboy? That's like a person who wants to catch VD!

02 September 2008, 5:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Pretty Nasty for Firefox... It used to be a great cross promotion..... with Firefox's native homepage being a google search.... now its a competitor.... I'd hate to see FF go because Google ditched them.

And for the record, I used to think Google was kind of a "People's Choice" being quite friendly to the community, and their employees. Now when i think about it, the general internet community is just being milked for what its worth by these guys! Their employees are basically in such a comfortable environment, that they forget the fact that they are working for a very greedy Man.... In some cases i think worse than Apple and MS combined.... pretty much because Google feeds off everyone as well as you and me....

Look at Cuil... yes, they might be more technically advanced in the search engine field, but they're just completely overshadowed by this Corporate Giant... and i just hate to see them go into that mass grave along with FF.

02 September 2008, 5:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DJ~ (New user):

While the term "FUD" is sometimes over used in computing circles; to me much of the above seems to be a classic example. That is, these 10 reasons do not so much as rebut or deconstruct Chrome's claimed competitive advantages -- instead, they seem largely to simply just add uncertainty, muddy the waters, confuse the issues.

This is particularly clear in the "The future direction isn't clear." section where Angus is demonstrating not so much a fear of Chrome, but a fear of innovation. See also, "Menus are not the work of Satan." where a fairly recent and complex interface design related controversy is addressed dismissively. Likewise, the opinions described in some of the other sections are poorly developed.

Consider, instead, imagining Chrome from another angle: to some extent, you could say that Google is in the business of shaping the web. This might explain the experimental and eclectic manner in which they develop things like Chrome, Gears, Android, Google Video and what not. The benefit, for Google, is not so much that they gain market share with these products, but that that they help the internet become what Google desires it to become. If the web does innovate the way they expect it to, then, well, it'll all seem brilliant. If not, they'll start to appear out-of-step.

So, if that's the case, then we need to reconsider how we think about Google products: since they don't so much compete, but enable. And fortunately for Firefox, it isn't so ridiculously fragile as made out above: it is, in fact, adaptive.

Please don't look upon the events of internet with fear, uncertainty and doubt. The world is dynamic! See the world in verbs: to enable, to innovate and to adapt.

02 September 2008, 6:13 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Quoting DJ~:
they don't so much compete, but enable. And fortunately for Firefox, it isn't so ridiculously fragile as made out above: it is, in fact, adaptive.

Google Checkout: Competitor against Paypal
Google Sketchup: Competitor against Blender
Gmail: Competitor against every single free email out there
Picasa: Adobe Bridge, iPhoto....
Chrome: Every browser out there....

Its not enabling, they're trying to get their hands in every single pie.... basically its a move to dominate information... pretty much like what MS was back in the 90s.... except even then, MS were much less agressive...

And don't be suprised if they are coming up with their own OS in a few years time.... actually they sort of have.... Andriod.... which if they succeed, would be the most popular operating system in the world.

So all in all, it's not to enable. It's to Disable!

03 September 2008, 11:43 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Angus Kidman (APC staff):

I tell you, it's a long time since I've been accused of being an IE fanboy. As for the competitive advantages, they'll become apparent (or not) when the actual software hits.

02 September 2008, 6:51 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ColonelBlinky (New user):

good for google taking a risk. taking a risk helps things change for the better (they'll be lessons learnt wether this works or not)

02 September 2008, 8:11 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Quoting ColonelBlinky:
taking a risk helps things change for the better (they'll be lessons learnt wether this works or not)

Funny how this ideology is not afforded to Microsoft by the nay-sayers !




02 September 2008, 8:57 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

jendelui (New user):

Its a useful contribution to the community - innovative, free, open source = what is not to like?
Possibly the least thought out article I've read on APC and obviously biased ("IE8 already has the feature" so obviously they should scrap the whole project. How dare Google make a browser - its not like they have any interest in browsers is it?).

02 September 2008, 9:15 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

thinman (New user):

You are a fear-mongering idiot...I wish I had time here at work to tell you why. In short, you're wrong about 9 of those. Google always pushes the envelope and reins in progress like they always do. This is what they do, they take semi-useful technologies and take them to the next level. Obviously they aren't going to drop the "final product" bomb on us all at once as in the often loathed Microsoft model (although, Apple does it with great success). It's not their style, never has been, and it's smart business. It *will* however be a pain in the butt for me, a web developer.

03 September 2008, 2:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheBuzzSaw (New user):

I'm rather annoyed by this article (and I'm a regular APC reader). The thing isn't even out yet, and we're already forming huge lists of criticisms? Maybe you should, I dunno, TRY IT OUT first before ripping it to shreds. I would've been OK if these 10 items were followed by 10 reasons the browser is a GOOD idea.

As for web developers, I'm not sure what we have to fear (yet). They said it'll be based on Webkit; that means it shouldn't have any particularly unique problems aside from problems that show up in Safari... and it'll run in Linux eventually! :D

03 September 2008, 2:52 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Quoting TheBuzzSaw:
I'm rather annoyed by this article (and I'm a regular APC reader). The thing isn't even out yet,

Funny how this view is not afforded to Microsoft by some people when they try out something 'new' !



03 September 2008, 8:14 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
I'm rather annoyed by this article

Then dont read it?


Quoting Your Average Joe:
and I'm a regular APC reader

And as such you expect all content to be tailored personally to you? Had you considered there could be other regular APC readers with diverse points of view?

Quoting Your Average Joe:
The thing isn't even out yet

So what do you suggest a vow of silence? Would you see that as preferable? Could it be that, maybe, just perhaps, developers look for feedback on their alpha and beta code. Even speculation and perception offer valuable feedback for the developers and the potential users of a new package.

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Funny how this view is not afforded to Microsoft by some people when they try out something 'new' !

Google just like Microsoft is up for praise or derision of their product based on their products relative merits and and annoyances.





04 September 2008, 11:03 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

Raindog !
You better check out who you're quoting ! I don't think YAJ said any of that ! Except for the last one :)

04 September 2008, 11:07 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting plutonium210:
You better check out who you're quoting !

Irresistible, isn't he ? .... LOL



04 September 2008, 11:34 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Irresistible, isn't he ? .... LOL

You just want me for my body. And my mind. :>


04 September 2008, 12:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting plutonium210:
You better check out who you're quoting

Why? I quoted correctly and accurately in my first draft. (would you expect anything less?)


Quoting plutonium210:
I don't think YAJ said any of that !


I don't think you know how to refresh your browser. :>

04 September 2008, 12:10 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
I quoted correctly and accurately in my first draft.

I don't how you read it and what kind of 'special' browser you're using, but with the exception of the last comment, everything else was posted by Buzzsaw ?




04 September 2008, 12:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I don't how you read it


either do I! :>

Quoting Me In Oz:
and what kind of 'special' browser you're using

nowhere near special enough. but adequate none the less.

Quoting Me In Oz:
but with the exception of the last comment, everything else was posted by Buzzsaw ?

The comments still stand. Bye for now. :>




04 September 2008, 12:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Quoting Raindog:
And as such you expect all content to be tailored personally to you? Had you considered there could be other regular APC readers with diverse points of view?

If only you could hear yourself Raindog !




04 September 2008, 11:22 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
If only you could hear yourself Raindog !


I have no problems hearing at all, maybe your I-pod is set on 11 if you have promlems in this area? :>

07 September 2008, 12:00 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Another atypical dimwitted 'DUH' response from Raindog !

08 September 2008, 9:30 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Another atypical dimwitted 'DUH' response from Raindog !

Your outbursts of stupid don't warrant more than a duh! :>



08 September 2008, 9:45 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
And as such you expect all content to be tailored personally to you? Had you considered there could be other regular APC readers with diverse points of view?

Mirror time again Raindog ?




04 September 2008, 11:32 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Mirror time again Raindog ?


Purdy aint I? Clever too :>

04 September 2008, 12:16 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
Purdy aint I?

Could be ! You may be a dropdead gorgeous girl with a big mouth !


Quoting Raindog:
Clever too

Meh !




04 September 2008, 12:40 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Could be ! You may be a dropdead gorgeous girl with a big mouth !

Ha ha ha !
Wouldn't that be the ultimate kick in the cahones :D




04 September 2008, 12:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Wouldn't that be the ultimate kick in the cahones


Are you volunteering for some actual testing?

04 September 2008, 5:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
Are you volunteering for some actual testing?

I'll have to ! Doesn't seem you have any ! :P




05 September 2008, 8:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
Are you volunteering for some actual testing?

I'll have to ! ...... As you don't have any :P




05 September 2008, 9:11 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
I'll have to !

As usual your expectation exceeds your ability? Fools jump in!


05 September 2008, 9:22 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
As usual your expectation exceeds your ability

This is what drives evolution and revolution !
If it was the other way around, we'd all still be living in log cabins in the woods (remember) like you Raindog :)




05 September 2008, 12:16 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
This is what drives evolution and revolution !

do a google search on "the dodo" sometime. :>


Quoting CBR1100XX:
If it was the other way around

....thousands of teenage tough guys wouldn't have ended up in wheelchairs. :>




Quoting CBR1100XX:
like you Raindog

You can like me as much as you wish, I am likable after all. :>


05 September 2008, 3:00 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
I am likable after all.

Now you know what we all think about posting 'opinions' ..... keep it 'factual' with justification and validity, Raindog !




05 September 2008, 4:52 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

memory like a goldfish? Had you already forgotten your last deposit?

06 September 2008, 11:58 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom (New user):

I've just installed Chrome and I hate it. Most of all, it doesn't allow you to set your bookmarks in a permanent sidebar. So I can't have a subset of my bookmarks permanently accessible, having to work my way through a hierarchical pop up menu system each time. Dumb beyond words.

03 September 2008, 6:32 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Another browser, Whoopee ... :P
I still haven't come across anything better than Maxthon as a slick and low overhead browser !
And as for OSS developer access ? If it ever catches on, they'll be 60 different versions for 60 different hardware environments !

03 September 2008, 8:44 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
And as for OSS developer access ? If it ever catches on, they'll be 60 different versions for 60 different hardware environments !

Why? How many ports of Firefox can you name? I only know of 2 modified versions... One from FrontMotion that adds group policy support, and Debian's Iceweasel (which doesn't really count since it's only the icon and name that changed).

04 September 2008, 10:47 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

Tin,
It think '60' was posted as an exaggeration for effect ! You're starting to think like Raindog ;)
I don't seriously think that there will as many as '60' but there will be a few because Chrome is substantially more ambitious than FF ever was.

04 September 2008, 10:55 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting plutonium210:
It(sic) think '60' was posted as an exaggeration for effect

You don't say.

Quoting plutonium210:
You're starting to think like Raindog

I don't hold a monopoly on being right. Lots of other clever people can be right too. :>

Quoting plutonium210:
I don't seriously think that there will as many as '60'

On what basis? Or did you just wish to bless us with your latest guess?

Quoting plutonium210:
but there will be a few

or none, or many, or exactly 60, even more?

Quoting plutonium210:
because Chrome is substantially more ambitious than FF ever was.

It is? But Chrome is a offering from a proven and popular player with a huge market penetration, FireFox evolved from the ashes of early Mozilla browsers which had fallen to relative obscurity.
To judge which project is the most ambitious is like guessing the length of string.


04 September 2008, 11:21 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
To judge which project is the most ambitious

I have to agree with radioactive boy there !
I don't think it takes Sherlock Holmes to figure out that Google's Chrome has a lot more on offering than FF and that Google's claim to rule cyberspace is on par with MS in the 90's, wanting to dominate (it would seem very successfully) the desktop OS market !

And just for you Raindog ! ..... THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS :)


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