BREAKING: Govt wants access to your emails, browsing history

Renai LeMay
11 June 2010, 2:32 PM


The Fed Govt is considering forcing Australian ISPs to retain data on how Australian citizens are using the internet, such as their sent and received email and browsing history.


The Federal Government has confirmed it is considering a policy requiring Australian internet providers to retain precise data on how their users are using the internet, with the potential to include information on emails sent and — reportedly — their web browsing history.

“The Attorney-General’s Department has been looking at the European Directive on Data Retention, to consider whether such a regime is appropriate within Australia’s law enforcement and security context,” a spokesperson for the department confirmed via email today. “It has consulted broadly with the telecommunications industry.”

The spokesperson’s confirmation was also contained in a report by ZDNet.com.au (which broke this story), which stated that ISP industry sources had flagged the potential for the new regime to require ISPs to record each internet address (also known as URL) that an internet user visited.

APC has contacted spokespeople from major ISPs such as Telstra, Optus, iiNet, Internode and Adam Internet to ask for a response on the matter, as well as the Internet Industry Association, a group which represents the ISPs. The office Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and the office of Attorney-General Robert McLelland have also been contacted for comment on the matter.

The European Directive on Data Retention (2006) requires communications providers to retain a number of categories of data relating to their users.

Broadly speaking, they must retain data necessary to trace and identify the source, destination, date, type, time and duration of communications — and even what communication equipment is being used by customers and the location of mobile transmissions.

According to the directive, where internet access is concerned, this means the ISPs must retain the user ID of users, email addresses of senders and recipients of email, the date and time that users logged on and off from a service, and their IP address — whether dynamic or static applied to their user ID.

For telephone conversations, this means the number from which calls were placed and the number that received the call, the owner of the telephone service and similar data such as the time and date of the call’s commencement and completion. For mobile phone numbers, geographic location data would also be included.

The EU directive requires that no data regarding the content of communications be included, however, and it has directives regarding privacy, including the fact that data would be retained for periods of not less than six months and not more than two years from the date of the communication.

Any data collected is to be destroyed at the end of that period.

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Fornax (User):

good time to buy shares in companies that run anonymous vpn services

11 June 2010, 3:25 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Cwize1 (New user):

Glad I'm using https for email.

11 June 2010, 4:03 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sydney (New user):

Can this really be Australia we are talking about?

11 June 2010, 4:26 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dbareis (New user):

Phase two begins...

11 June 2010, 4:32 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Half the Email travelling about would never go near an ISP's mail server, certainly not their mailboxes. If you though the filter was ineffectual then this one is a doozie.

I'd love to see the response from G-mail. :)

Like old faithful. Another day another stupid idea from Conroy.

11 June 2010, 4:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

WotAnotherLaw (New user):

While they are at developing this ridiculous set of laws, I suggest you include making a copy of every note, letter, written communication and have it stored as well preferably with the communications ministers department. in a few years time they will be the ones in the Very VEry VERy VERY big buildings

11 June 2010, 4:51 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

labor out (New user):

Geez this government never ceases to amaze, we will all be lining up for silicone implants soon so they can track us.

11 June 2010, 5:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

megod (New user):

Great Idea, this Govenment will never get back in. Another breach of our privacy now gone. Vote labor OUT

11 June 2010, 5:52 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Greg Halley (New user):

I'm moving to Germany, communism looks the way to go with this government. So much for a lucky country. Mr Rudd is out!!!!

11 June 2010, 6:29 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (New user):

Quoting Greg Halley:
I'm moving to Germany

Why? The law is already happening in Europe....




11 June 2010, 8:23 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

So, how does this work for businesses running their own mail servers? Will ISPs be forced to snoop into the contents of all packets travelling on TCP port 25?

What will Mr Stephen "Privacy Breach" Conroy think of ISPs recording packets, including banking details, of their customers? I mean isn't that a breach of the Telecommunications act?!?!?!

11 June 2010, 6:44 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Tin:
So, how does this work for businesses running their own mail servers?

Uh huh, and it's not just businesses that are running mail servers.


Quoting Tin:
Will ISPs be forced to snoop into the contents of all packets travelling on TCP port 25?

Not just port 25, and not just smtp.


Quoting Tin:
What will Mr Stephen "Privacy Breach" Conroy think of ISPs recording packets, including banking details, of their customers?

I doubt he sees any problem with it, megalomaniacs are seldom able to see things from anyone else's point of view.


Quoting Tin:
I mean isn't that a breach of the Telecommunications act?!?!?!

Conroy is an ideologue, he has no respect for anything but his own agenda. If it breaches the act he'll just want the act changed to suit.

Thankfully the guy is a buffoon to Olympic Standard and is mostly sad and expensive. It's up to Australian voters to make sure he cannot graduate onto being dangerous.


11 June 2010, 7:11 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Uh huh, and it's not just businesses that are running mail servers.


Yeah. I'm running one here at home. Got sick of changing email addresses every time we changed ISPs, and at the time, no free mail services did IMAP.
Glad I run one now, because I can keep GBs of emails, have it pre-sorted into folders, and I can choose my own web mail system, spam filtering rules, etc.

Quoting Raindog:
Not just port 25, and not just smtp.


I know, but as far as breaching privacy, emails is the big one. Snooping HTTP and logging traffic is already commonplace by means of transparent proxies (and HTTP lends itself to this anyway).
Email on the other hand requires snooping of packets if ISPs are expected to check on SMTP traffic from non-ISP servers.

11 June 2010, 7:21 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zig (New user):

This Government gets sillier by the day.
Freedom, liberty and privacy mean nothing to this monstrous regime.

I see an opening here for an overseas based ISP that provides internet access via some other means like satellite.

11 June 2010, 9:22 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Davey (New user):

What next,none of their business what emails we get and what websites we visit. The government needs to concentrate on other serious matters than collecting personal emails and browsing information.

11 June 2010, 10:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Moschides (New user):

This is total invasion of my privacy, Its none of your business who I e mail & where they are coming from.You are not my big brother so get of my tail & give me my privacy.

11 June 2010, 11:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Moschides (New user):

This is as far as I am concerned going beyond a joke, the government wants to access my e mails & my web browsing history, I say this to the government " cant you guys just back off & give me & my fellow Australian citizens some breathing space" I don't trust you guys you want access my personal information in my e mails which I consider confidential, DON'T invade my space thank you I am talking about my privacy.

11 June 2010, 11:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

GKPort (User):

I can understand that this would be useful in regard to homeland security issues but it smacks of big brother intrusion yet again. I was always lead to believe that a Labor government was a government of the people. They seem to be wandering away from this ideal of late.Hmmmmm! Maybe it would be an idea to ask Mr Conroy his opinion on this.
GK Port

12 June 2010, 8:16 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting GKPort:
I was always lead to believe that a Labor government was a government of the people


You fool! You foolish fool!
None of the parties are about the people. They're all about the internal politics of the party.

12 June 2010, 9:34 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

GKPort (User):

Quoting Tin:
None of the parties are about the people.

Well we are still enough of a democracy to kick their collective backsides out of government.................... Aren't we?



13 June 2010, 7:49 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting GKPort:
Well we are still enough of a democracy to kick their collective backsides out of government.................... Aren't we?


Unfortunately due to compulsory voting, we get plenty of idiots voting either donkey style or for the last ad they saw on TV before they went out to vote.

13 June 2010, 4:58 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

texasboy1 (New user):

uh...VPN anyone? or perhaps a side of tor? oh...nevermind...that goes through the ISP too.....

12 June 2010, 8:33 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael J (User):

If you use an Encrypted VPN your ISP can't see anything.

12 June 2010, 9:41 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

texasboy1 (New user):

same with tor? i never bothered to use it, never really got it. im sure i would now, but there is no use now, as i am currently visiting the states. (federal internet spying hasn't gotten here yet)

12 June 2010, 12:00 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

woody.2 (New user):

This is bloody ridiculous, good work Mr. Rudd on screwing us yet again.

12 June 2010, 5:41 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sp33d d3mon (New user):

Heil Rudd, Mein Internet Fuhrer! I wish I was 18 so I could vote his arse out of the next election =|

12 June 2010, 9:38 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousewiuu2945u389 (User):

Someone who is a threat to "national security" would be using a system to cover their trails, such as VPN. So the data logged will cover everyone except the "criminals." NWO is more like it...

The best bit, though, is the hypocrisy expressed by Rudd and Co by this. Google is not allowed to collect useless encrypted banking details that are publicly-available anyway, but the government who is attacking Google can access everyone's emails and web history? Now, THAT's a privacy invasion.

13 June 2010, 11:01 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Disenchanted (New user):

They will be wanting to put microphones and cameras in our toilet bowls next! I mean really! What happened to the freedoms that our Anzacs fought for?

14 June 2010, 8:43 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

This a total breach of privacy!
To tackle this nastiness take a class action against this useless government, make sure it pays dearly!

15 June 2010, 10:23 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Greg Zeng (New user):

Being an invalid pensioner in Canberra, I can see how good this will be for retailers: gigantic growth in the public service's secret police departments. The newest, ugliest, biggest, most prominent building here is that of Australia's secret police.

The few hundred not-legal boat people are no longer good enough for growth in the federal public service. All you silly tax payers now must finance this paramilitary war against yourselves, as well as everyone else in Australia.

Glory to the permanent politicians - the public service !!

17 June 2010, 5:49 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zig (New user):

Yes, we now have our very own Gestapo, headed by Colonel Klink.

17 June 2010, 7:53 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Big Baboo (New user):

Probably wrong place to ask this guys :) but lately I've been having problems with my POP3 account so the ISP guy switched me over to IMAP.
Is this much better/worse and how does it differ.Oooo yea,I have looked it up on Wiki but I was wondering if somebody could explain it in English.

06 July 2010, 7:30 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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