Hotmail's many ways of closing your mail account

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Paul Grad09 October 2008, 1:00 PM

What do you do when you try to open your Windows Live Hotmail account – as you have every day for several years – and find it's been deleted, along with all emails and contacts?


I recently tried to log in to my Hotmail account to check my incoming mail. My account was not just for casual communications with friends, but for important stuff relating to work. At the time I also had a partly-finished article I was working on which I had stored as an attachment with an email. And I was also under a deadline to send some important information to a contact.

But Hotmail would not recognise me. I checked the spelling of the address and retyped the  password several times. I checked the computer connections. I tried every trick to get in and even resorted to asking for help from other people. But I was locked out.

Then I got in touch with Hotmail support, having to establish a new email address and password to do so. The next day I received a reply from Microsoft Customer Support  that started with: “Thank you for writing to Windows Live Hotmail Customer Support. This is (name) and I gather that your account has been closed. I understand your concern about this matter and the need for this issue to be addressed immediately...”

This and all subsequent messages that followed all started the same way, but each with a different name. “My name is... Arthur, Rhea, Kris, Christian, Max, etc…”  And they all said the same thing: that the account was closed in accordance with the Hotmail Terms of Use (TOU).

“It is a strict violation of the TOU for our members to send objectionable material of any kind or nature using our service. When you signed up for your account with Windows Live Hotmail, you agreed to the TOU by clicking the ‘I accept’ button. As such, your account is subject to the Terms of Use,” they said.

Naturally I tried to figure out what “objectionable material” I had ever placed in an email. I had been using my Hotmail account almost exclusively for business purposes, with a few personal exchanges, and how and when could I ever have placed any objectionable material in an email? And what is “objectionable material” anyway?

One of Microsoft’s replies indicates a few possibilities: “unwanted mail or “spam”, “abusive or harassing email, account fraud.”

I sent another email asking how Microsoft could apply sanctions against a user without telling him what he had done wrong? The reply: “To protect the privacy of those who forward complaints to our customer service regarding one of our members, we do not discuss the reason for the closure.”

A inquiry into the status of the account met with: “I regret to inform you that I cannot provide you any information regarding the status of your account. All Windows Live Hotmail member information is confidential, and we can release it only to law enforcement officials when served with a subpoena or criminal search warrant. This is in compliance with the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA).”

I asked Hotmail whether they could at least grant me temporary access to my previous email so that I could save the information contained and notify the people I deal with of my new email address. The reply: “We regret to inform you that once accounts are closed, we have no means to grant access to anyone. No new email is received at this account and no email is sent from this account. All email sent to this address will bounce back to the sender as undeliverable”.

There are a few interesting questions regarding the whole experience.  The Hotmail policy seems a blatant violation of basic principles of fairness and justice. How can you accuse anybody of an infraction, and slap sanctions on him and refuse to tell him what he has done wrong? He has no chance of defending himself, or verifying the truth of the accusation.

How about their excuse about protecting the privacy of the accuser? That’s a cute one. Can you imagine charging a person with an offence, convicting him and punishing him, while refusing to tell him what he has been charged with “to protect the privacy of the person who charged him”?

In the real world,  if someone places obscene material in an email, the recipient of the email can charge the sender according to the local obscenity laws through the proper authorities. What right does Microsoft have to assume all those official roles, without the accountability and responsibility of those authorities?

But the objectionable material excuse is not the only one Hotmail uses to close your email account. Many Hotmail or Live Mail users don’t realise that if you don’t use your account for 30 days, Hotmail will delete its contents. Incredible as it may seem, Hotmail’s account policies spell this out: “Your account becomes inactive if you do not sign in for 30 days, or within the first 10 days after signing up for an account. After an account becomes inactive, all messages, folders, and contacts are deleted, but the account name is still reserved. After an account becomes inactive, all messages, folders, and contacts are deleted, but the account name is still reserved.” If you don’t use the account at all for 90 days, the whole thing is deleted.

The Internet is awash with Hotmail users who have been caught out by this. One user, Tom Raftery, writes on his blog   "I Logged into my Windows Live email account yesterday only to find all my email deleted. Not even a single solitary spam message left. I should be livid. Should be tearing what little hair I have left out of my head. 

"Instead I am simply moderately furious! Why? Well this is not the first time Microsoft decided to delete all the email from my (then Hotmail) account. So I learned after losing valuable email the first time, not to trust any important email to Microsoft.

"What makes it more annoying is that if Microsoft allowed POP access to Live Mail accounts, the way Gmail does, you would be logged in every time you fire up your email client app and you would have a local backup of your mail. But Microsoft won’t do that. Why? Because that might be useful?"

According to Microsoft, POP is available on the Hotmail Plus service (US$19.95 a year), and there are plans to introduce it for free users in the next 12 months sometime, but Microsoft won’t commit itself to a time frame. 

Microsoft also makes it incredibly difficult for users to move to another webmail provider, as it obstinately refuses to provide a mail forwarding option, to allow people to make a smooth transition. Meanwhile, Google offers Gmail accounts with 6GB+ storage (constantly increasing), free POP and IMAP access, mail forwarding, and a fast-responding, lightweight interface. No wonder Microsoft is making it as hard as possible for users to change away from Hotmail.

Raftery makes the telling point: “Microsoft has a huge image problem. They are perceived as deeply uncool. Vista hasn’t helped this at all. But Windows Live is the public face of Microsoft. When Windows Live does things like ensures people can’t download their email, and then deletes it without warning, it is no wonder that Microsoft is considered yesterday’s company."


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Aubrey (Cornerstone member):

"Can you imagine charging a person with an offence, convicting him and punishing him, while refusing to tell him what he has been charged with ......"

erm...I'll ask David Hicks. This is America buddy, get with the pogrom, I mean program. If liberty is worth anything at all.... it will be privatised and charged for.


09 October 2008, 3:15 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick (User):

arrrrr!!!! This is why I moved away from hotmail long ago. I would have to agree with you when you say it is hard to change email accounts. A lot people who I know are still using hotmail, and hate it however they are stuck because of the lack of options in forwarding. One reason why a lot of people have hotmail accounts in the first place is due to the lack of other providers. It has only happened within the last few years that other providers have came up and became popular, such as gmail. giving people more options.
Currently Iam using my own domain linked to Google apps, it is effectively gmail but instead of username@gmail.com it is username@mydomain.com I use my own domain because I consider using free email address unprofessional in a commercial environment.

09 October 2008, 3:34 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Hmmm. I knew about the 30 days one... That's pretty much the only reason I started using MSN Messenger (although I haven't used an official MS client in ages)... Because I checks Hotmail for me.

Can't say I'd be happy if MS accused me of sending objectionable material, especially since I send maybe 2 emails a year from my hotmail (usually tests to mail servers I admin).

09 October 2008, 6:16 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

EggLet (New user):

Wow that sucks big time, I got the annoyed with using hotmail about a month or 2 ago as it kept on randomly displaying a 'use a compatible browser' page (usually at the worst like when I pressed send on a 1000 or more word email!) and suggesting for me to use IE, firefox or safari, well I guess firefox 3 is not on the microsoft's list of compatible browsers. So I decided to move to the havens of gmail which saves your messages and generally must more useful as a whole, thanks to discovering these qualities when my university decided to go with it for their student email accounts. I wanted to have this as my central email account so I went and forwarded my gmail student account to this easy as then spent about an hour trying to figure out how to forward my hotmail account and finally realise that micro$oft is a wh*re and doesn't like to share its emails with anyone. So now I use my gmail account all the time and have to check my hotmail account to empty its collected spam and see if any useful emails are in there.

Now thanks to this article I definitely will have to collect all of it's contacts and move them to gmail sometime. Thank you Paul for writing this I think everybody on microsoft services (is that possible?) should read this before it's toooooo late!

11 October 2008, 4:55 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chooka (New user):

It comes back to the old saying "You get what you pay for". People seem to be quick to forget that these are free services and not designed for mission critical information storage. I cannot understand why anyone would place so much reliance on a single free service, without backing up critical work and contact information. Pretty stupid on your part Paul.

There is probably another apt saying in this instance:

"Microsoft Giveth and Microsoft Taketh away".

12 October 2008, 9:16 PM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

LostBenji (User):

I find this rather funny, not because of the issue your having but more from the fact that you are using HotMail (free-mail client) for essential email when its pretty much common sense to use an ISP served email account for essential mail and use the free-mail for junk for just this reason.
Even more funny is how you bitching about MSN (HotMail) yet you guys still insist on hosting with MSN and there stupidly slow and buggy systems.

No Sympathy....

13 October 2008, 7:58 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sehwu (New user):

i try to sign in and get "Sign-in Error" message.

my address and password are correct - i'm confused.
anyone any ideas why this should happen?

10 November 2008, 4:59 AM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sehwu (New user):

i try to sign in and get "Sign-in Error" message.

my address and password are correct - i'm confused.
anyone any ideas why this should happen?

10 November 2008, 5:08 AM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sehwu (New user):

don't know if my comment was sent as i had to make an account after typing it so here it is again:
when i try signing into my hotmail account a message comes up saying: "Sign-in Error."
my password and email address are correct and caps lock was not on so i'm confused.
any ideas what might have happened.
my other email is: sehwu@hotmail.com

10 November 2008, 5:08 AM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

naniquena (New user):

If you hate Microsoft.... DON'T USE IT!!!!
You know that talking of somebody or somethings makes a big deal, makes it important so if you dislike Microsoft and move to Google and problem solved.

A few "lies" about what you just said.
- You need to have 120 days of inactivity. I you do not use your email for 4 months... you don't care about your emails.
- MS use to have access to outlook or similar for free account, but people start to use it as a SPAM tool, so they stop giving that service.
- Then, use WL Mail and you can storage the emails on your computer.But wait..

11 November 2008, 9:37 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

naniquena (New user):

If you hate Microsoft.... DON'T USE IT!!!!
You know that talking of somebody or somethings makes a big deal, makes it important so if you dislike Microsoft move to Google and problem solved.

A few "lies" about what you just said.
- You need to have 120 days of inactivity. I you do not use your email for 4 months... you don't care about your emails.
- MS use to have access to outlook or similar for free account, but people start to use outlook to send SPAM

11 November 2008, 10:30 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

naniquena (New user):

(cont)
- If your account was closed, there is a 95% of possibilities you are a SPAMMER. There is a definition of "SPAMMER Friend", that friend who sent me ALL the chain letters, ALL the jokes, ALL the PPS, all the crap... every day... that, my friend, it's a SPAMMER.
- If you accept a contract... without reading it... you can't complain about that. Contact a lawyer, he will tell you, that if you sign without reading it YOUR fault not the other ends.
- And in that contract says that MS did not make responsibilities for your emails and you can't use the account for work related activities. In fact here you have the actual paragraph and the link you can find it.

12. WE MAKE NO WARRANTY.

We provide the Service "as-is," "with all faults" and "as available." The Service is not designed for commercial use. The Microsoft Parties give no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change. To the extent permitted by law, we exclude the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, workmanlike effort and non-infringement.

11 November 2008, 10:31 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

naniquena (New user):

(cont)
https://accountservices.passport.net/pphmagreement.srf

- MS use to have access to outlook or similar for free account, but people start to use it as a SPAM tool, so they stop giving that service.
- Then, use WL Mail and you can storage the emails on your computer.But wait... if you have your emails on your computer and you format it... ALL your emails are lost (75% of regular people who use the internet didn't know what a backup is) so MS didn't delete the emails from the server... shame on them who wants to protect their customers.
- Regular people didn't need more than 5 Gb of storage. So... why did you want more?


Regards.

Nani

PS: Using MESSENGER DID NOT CHECK HOTMAIL FOR YOU!!! PLEASE enter to your Hotmail accounts via www.hotmail.com once every 4 motnhs.

11 November 2008, 10:36 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

henrymaquli (New user):

I was wondering why I didn't get mail forwards from GMail to my hotmail account. So then I used my work email account as forward mail adress, and presto, within a minute I got a forward of the mail sent to gmail.

Is this happening to everyone?


12 May 2009, 8:57 PM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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