IceTV wins court battle with Channel 9

Dan Warne23 April 2009, 2:00 PM

The electronic program guide provider IceTV has successfully defended itself in the lawsuit taken against it by Channel 9 for copyright infringement.


Channel 9 is owned by PBL Media, the same company that owns APC's publisher, ACP Magazines. It sued IceTV in May 2006 for copyright infringement of its program guides -- essentially, the TV guide that sets out its program times and descriptions.

IceTV was on the cusp of floating its business on the sharemarket when the lawsuit was filed, and it withdrew the public float after Nine's action.

IceTV's court defence, in a nutshell, was that it wasn't copying Nine's guide and was compiling its own guide based on a combination of watching TV and noting times, viewing various TV guides in different publications, and writing its own descriptions for shows.



The High Court ultimately supported IceTV's view, and went further, suggesting in its judgment that it is doubtful that program times and titles can even be copyrighted, since Nine did not create most of the titles of the shows in its guide. You can read the full ruling here.

The ruling is likely to see substantial costs awarded to IceTV, and will give its service legitimacy that has been under question until now.

It's big news for TV watchers in Australia too, as it will allow media centers and PVRs of all sorts to be able to access program guide information so shows can be scheduled by name (and recorded automatically in series) rather than by manually programmed timeslot.

Australian TV networks have been working on their own EPG called "Freeview" which will be broadcast using digital TV signals that already have the technical capability to carry an EPG, however details on the actual implementation of Freeview have, to date, been scarce.

There have also been suggestions that, although Freeview should work on any DVB-T set-top box, if a consumer wants a "Freeview" certified box, the manufacturer will need to disable ad-skipping capabilities. If this does end up being the case, technically savvy consumers will likely be able to avoid the limitations anyway, as manufacturers such as Beyonwiz have already said they will produce identical models with and without Freeview certification.

Another major organisation recently sued over the copyright of its schedule data. Cityrail in NSW tried to claim copyright on train timetables to stop people distributing mobile phone applications with the data embedded. Cityrail argued it was really just trying to ensure people didn't store outdated timetable information on their mobile phone. NSW Premier Rees intervened personally after public outcry and ordered Cityrail to work with application developers on making accurate data available over the net.

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Tin (Senior Forumologist):

I still don't get why TV guide data is held onto so closely by TV networks in Australia... In many other countries, they put it out in as many places as they can to encourage people to actually watch the shows.

23 April 2009, 6:20 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
I still don't get why TV guide data is held onto so closely by TV networks in Australia...

There is a lot not to get about the thinking of TV execs and programmers.

I don't get why they program low cost drivel and watch bewildered as the audience migrates to alternate media.
I don't get why they are incapable of original thought and remain incapable of original thought.
I don't get why they wouldn't want as many sources as possible promoting their program schedule. Do movie theatres hide their schedules in the hope that people will turn up anyway and watch any old crud?
I don't get why TV channels saturate advertise to the point where it destroys the value of the programs they advertise over, reducing the audience and the value of the advertising.

Broadcast and cable TV will remain a dying medium while ever it is run by people incapable of originality and innovation. If you always do do what you've always done you can always expect similar results.


24 April 2009, 9:53 AM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Barry Edwin Gilmour (New user):

I would not think Cityrail timetable-guides, and the free-to-air TV guides are similar-cases at-all!
In my view, Cityrail privately-service the public (You need a ticket or cash just to get onto their property, before you even glimpse the potential service).
On the other hand, Free-to-air TV-stations don't own your TV-set (You can't run your own rail-vehicle on Cityrail's service, like your TV-set runs on the free-to-air TV-service). FTA-TV-stations are servicing ALL of the public, and even the destitute may watch free-TV, so it's very-much a public utility and service, giving the public far more derived-rights to knowledge concerning all aspects of the service, than they would be entitled-to from a entity like Cityrail, which I deem to be semi-private, albeit publicly taxpayer-funded.

From a strictly-business standpoint, I reckon that any organisation that doesn't avail itself of free-advertising that directly generates and places customers in their product, probably should not be in business anyway.
Assuming the goal is to get bums-on-seats, and viewing their advertising-content, then it makes sense to ensure punters know when to front-up for the service! Obviously, if you are fair-dinkum, you would even pay to get that message across, so when a free distribution-service is already in-place, why would you let a few-bucks from schedule-income, deny your company the greater-income-stream derived-from millions of dollars worth of bums-on-seats and eyeball-advertising revenue?
Even as an aged-retired-person in one of the most remote-areas in Australia, I find myself viewing more TV-content on the Internet than via Free-To-Air TV. While one tends to-view a movie on either DVD or BD, I do find myself viewing the odd interesting new-video in low-resolution, which unlike TV, offers "pause" without needing an extra piece of equipment (an essential-control as the bladder gets older), and given browser's flash-player advances developed over the past year or so, I imagine that full-length high-quality high-resolution movies in a compressed-content delivery system is not too-far away from fruition.
Even my news (both text and video) turns-up on the Internet before it materialises on TV, so frankly, one wonders whether TV-stations are fighting a battle they should have fought decades-ago? Might not the whole question of TV-viewing within Australia be irrelevant, with or without a program-guide?

24 April 2009, 10:44 AM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carmar (User):

Is this why Channel 9 doesn't appear on Foxtel's program guide? Not that it matters as they don't seem to have anything much on 9 (see Raindog's comment). Sounds crazy to me, why would you hide program details?

24 April 2009, 4:57 PM (10 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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