In Australia, movie watches you -- with night vision camera

David Neiger26 November 2008, 10:00 PM

Hey you in the back row snogging -- security guards in cinemas will now be watching you with night vision cameras.


You might think that when you go to the cinema you are watching a movie, but if you go to a screening of Australia over the next few weeks, chances are that the movie (or at least hired goons from 20th Century Fox) will be watching you.


In an attempt to crack down on in-cinema movie piracy movie studios will be hiring “specially trained security guards” armed with night vision goggles (NVGs) to keep a look-out for people making illegal recordings of films in the cinema. Whilst we cannot understand why anyone would waste their money or download quota on obviously crap quality copies of movies (complete with head shots, coughs and lousy muffled sound) according to Neil Gane, Director of Operations at AFACT (the organisation suing iiNet) this is a big problem. “Films have been marketed so people want to see them before other people; pirated copies are available and free or nearly free.”

Gane believes that in-cinema recording (onto camcorders or mobile phones) is the underlying ‘technology’ used to bring 95% of the first pirated movies to the Internet or DVDs. Since “illegal recordings in cinemas are the first link in the piracy eco system” AFACT wants to stamp this practice out so that pirated movies don’t find their way to organised criminal syndicates and DVD factories in China, Malaysia or Russia.

Apparently Australia (the country and the movie) is not the first place NVGs have been used. In the US and Asia Pacific region, security staff have been using NVGs for two years with Gane commenting that “hundreds of people have already been caught with even a few convicted.”

Above: one of the nightvision scopes.

Apparently “camming” (as the industry calls it) is big business with professional “cammers” earning between US$2,000 – US$4,000 to stick a camcorder in a bag or shoulder holster, point the lens out of their sleeve and hold really, really steady for two hours or so. As an example of how serious the film industry is, Gane mentioned that in Maryland (US) a professional cammer was convicted for an 18 month jail term, although this case was exceptional. “AFACT is definitely focusing on the professional camer who is linked into a distribution network, however our anti-camer strategy is to prevent any person from making an illegal copy of a movie in a cinema.”

Of course nothing will drive people to the movies more than the thought that someone is spying on them, although parents of teenagers may feel a little safer. Whilst movie patrons will be informed by signage that making recordings of films in cinemas is illegal, Gane would not confirm whether cinema operators would inform people that the film they are about to see is protected by NVG equipped guards ready to take immediate action against suspicious behaviour.

“Ultimately the decision to employ NVG equipped security guards is made by the studio distributing the film and so far in Australia it has been deployed in Batman Returns and now in Australia. In the case of screening of Australia, NVGs will be deploying in the majority of the 304 cinemas showing the film.”

While at APC we believe that the film studios do have a right to protect their intellectual (legal term not adjective) property, having guards spying on patrons could be a little extreme. Gane was not prepared to discuss exactly how the security will be implemented in practice so we don’t know whether the goons will be in the back of the cinema constantly seeking out pirates, carrying out SWOT style reconnaissance missions or just checking in from time to time to make sure everyone is behaving.

Despite the obvious expense in sending out trained surveillance teams to cinemas across Australia, Gane believes that the strategy is a success. Despite “only a handful of people being caught during the screen of Batman Returns and no arrests being made, the strategy adopted by Village Roadshow was very successful in that there were no camcorder copies forensically matched to cinemas in Australia.” Clearly a case of cause and effect here since the pirates could not have obtained copies of the films from cinemas in other countries or by somehow “diverting” film prints to cine-trucks equipped with state of the art film transfer equipment.


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NetR@nger (User):

If that isnt a strong case for invasion of privacy,nothing is.Im really getting sick of these "people" and there stinking copyright argument.

26 November 2008, 10:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Err... A cinema is private now?
You're in a public place, so people might see you. Get over it. If you don't like it, stay at home.

27 November 2008, 9:45 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Errrr..no a cinema is not private,but having a person sticking a nvg in my face when i DONT want it IS an invasion of privacy(im being looked upon as a potential pirate)

28 November 2008, 3:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BN (User):

lol don't u sound like a tough knob!
Fact when entering the movies you do so under terms and conditions set out by the cinema and the movie studio. If you don't like it leave.

And as others have said its a public place you have no right of privacy!

Good on them for finally cracking down on these knobs. Cam movies are just crap anyway...poor video and poor sound let alone the heads and other stuff.

27 November 2008, 3:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (User):

Really? I was gonna pirate this movie. But seeing as there's these new night-vision people, I might go see it in the cinema instead.

26 November 2008, 10:54 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

telstar (User):

Will this make a difference in piracy? No it won't in fact I doubt it will even slow them down, if the pirates can't get a copy here in Australia then they'll just get one in China or Russia or any of the other countries who don't seem to care that much about piracy. While I agree that something needs to be done about piracy putting goons with NVG's in cinemas is not the answer and is a massive waste of time and money. No matter what the studio's do the pirates will always find a way around it, this is an unfortunate fact of life.

26 November 2008, 11:20 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CCCMikey (User):

Hmm, are they really going to spot a pinhole camera in a supersize slurpee cup sitting in the armrest? With a $2K price tag I'm pretty sure these guys can afford something more hi tech than the obvious camcorder on the back seat, etc.

27 November 2008, 12:35 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

seanbsydney (New user):

Quoting CCCMikey:
With a $2K price tag I'm pretty sure these guys can afford something more hi tech than the obvious camcorder on the back seat, etc.

While living in Indonesia I watched lots of pirated movies and yes, very often they WERE clearly done with a camcorder.
For eg once we were watching a movie, saw a figure out of the corner of our eye and then 'zzziiippp', no picutre but still (muffled) sound, a few minutes later 'zzzziiiiipppp', they had opened their camera bag again now that the security man had gone!

As for the idea that pirates will get copies from China etc, they have to come from an English speaking country because otherwise there's annoying subtitles at the bottom of the movie in the language of whichever country it's filmed from. So targetting English speaking countries is wise.

27 November 2008, 1:07 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting seanbsydney:
otherwise there's annoying subtitles


Gee some people are whingers... You're getting it for "free", so who cares if there's subtitles.

27 November 2008, 1:19 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dave81 (New user):

Why does this story keep referencing batman returns, that movie is now 16 years old. i know it's just a title but since this is about only two movies specifically so far they could get it right atleast.

27 November 2008, 1:40 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Neiger (APC staff):

Quoting dave81:
Why does this story keep referencing batman returns, that movie is now 16 years old. i know it's just a title but since this is about only two movies specifically so far they could get it right atleast.

The reference to Batman Returns was given to me by Neil Gane. I personally have not seen the movie so I don't know when it came out... you could be right but that's the information I was given.

27 November 2008, 8:46 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

martyfmelb (New user):

I go to the cinema all the time... well, I did until now. I won't anymore. And I will spread this article to everyone I know. I will single-handedly put a hole in your pockets, you sick freaks.

27 November 2008, 3:20 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply
27 November 2008, 3:21 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ljraggy (New user):

I find it funny they think some people actually get paid for "Camming" I bet some (teenagers) will do it for the thrill of these Knobs with their scopes and to not get caught. Opps too late there is already a DVD Ripp of Australia online, NOT!! or is there?

Who wants to pay $18 for a ticket and Overpriced Popcorn. The Last time i went to the Cinema was when Matrix Reloaded came out.

Now i just wait for it to come on DVD or FREE2AIR HDTV.

AFACT need to get AF**TED.

27 November 2008, 3:21 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

and hold really, really steady for two hours or so.

Word on the street is "Australia the movie" drags on for so long the official Aussie tourism slogan will be changed from "where the bl**dy hell are you?" to "are we there yet?".

27 November 2008, 7:24 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Obi-Wan Kenobi (User):

"In Australia, movie watches you"

In fact, in Ran McNaley, people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.

27 November 2008, 7:52 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

That's "Rand McNally" young Jedi.

27 November 2008, 9:49 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dwillis (New user):

People should understand that the cinema and movie industry loses hundreds of millions of dollars each year, because people watch downloaded or pirated copies.

I work at a cinema, and I think we have every right to protect the way we make money. We have a letter which states if someone is caught filming, then the police are to be called immeditately, who will then investigate the issue.

These NVGs will be used to combat piracy. People dont set up on a tripod now, they hide it. If you dont like this, how do you suggest to stop piracy?

I think the NVGs are very successful. If you aren't doing anything wrong while we're using the NVGs, we wont remember you. If you are, then we have a right to interfere "to protect the intellectual property" which makes profit for our company.

27 November 2008, 8:40 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Neiger (APC staff):

I agree that everyone has the right to protect their intellectual property whichever way they choose. I also believe that movie patrons should be aware that security guards are equipped with NVGs and are spying on people. It is then up to the patrons to decide whether they want to go to the movies knowing these conditions.

We do not in any way suggest that pirating movies is anything but wrong... however if people are not seeing enough value in going to a cinema and are prepared to waste their time and money downloading or buying a crap copy of a film, then perhaps there is a bigger issue that needs addressing?

27 November 2008, 8:57 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (Cornerstone member):

Quoting dwillis:
I work at a cinema, and I think we have every right to protect the way we make money.


So by your reasoning it will be ok for someone from Blockbuster to sit in your lounge room and watch the dvd you just hired to make sure you dont burn it? Maybe cinemas should try looking for a better agreement with the movie studios instead of passing it onto consumers and charging way to much! I know its a business but there is a line and I personally think this crosses it and like it has already been said it wont stop anything, the movie studio will loose more money trying to fix the piracy issue than the camming actually looses! Not to mention the amount of people who watch it all crappy like and then go and see it. They need to think about it as a form of advertising haha


27 November 2008, 9:03 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Nothing against the staff,but this has crossed the line as far as im concerned.Are we going to be bodysearched to go to the movies soon?? By adopting these sort of tactics,the cinemas are shooting themselves in the foot.I can no longer justify the MASSIVE cost to go see all but the biggest films(with 3 kids it costs more than $100 to go,once you eat as well)

27 November 2008, 9:40 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting dwillis:
People should understand that the cinema and movie industry loses hundreds of millions of dollars each year, because people watch downloaded or pirated copies.


What a load of bullcrap. That sort of figure:
a) can't be arrived at by measurement.
b) assumes we all have unlimited spending cash.
c) assumes we all consider said movies to be worth spending cash on.

People these days (as opposed to about 10 years ago) have many more things asking them for money, and many more options for entertainment. This argument that internet causes piracy is flawed... It's "video killed the radio star" all over again.

27 November 2008, 10:01 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dwillis (New user):

How do you think cinemas make profit? Do you know how we make profit? Do you think we make that $15 or so off tickets? Well you're wrong. We only get a small percentage each week, which climbs the more we show it. So the first week, we might make something like $3 from each ticket. The second week $5... and so on. I am not sure on what this percetange is, but we are talking below 50%.

How do we make our money? From the CANDY BAR! You want popcorn, you'll buy it for something like 600% more, meaning we make more money. In a quiet week, we could make more profit off a candy bar, than on tickets.

The thing is, if people didnt buy from the Candy Bar, you probably wouldnt have cinemas.

Thats the truth.

27 November 2008, 8:47 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dwillis (New user):

If thats what they wanted to do, sure. I agree with them wanting to protect their property.

Tell me how this is different from security cameras? How about at a bank or casino, where there are teams of people who watch everyone's move... Do you not go into a bank because of cameras? No because you feel secure. What about a casino? Do you not go into a casino because they are filming you? I doubt it. Tell me how is this different? There is no difference. A bank protects its money, as does a casino. We are only doing the same. We are not filming you, we are looking for piracy. If you aren't doing anything wrong, then why complain?

At the cinema I work out, there isn't enough "security personel" in the state, so 20th Century Fox has asked our staff to do the filming. We do cinema checks throughout a movie. All the NVGs do is assist our eyesight. We have three prints of this film, running in 3 different cinemas. The security personal would spend time between all three.

No one has suggested a way to actually combat piracy without doing this. Maybe we should keep all the lights on, so when we come into the cinema we can see what the person at the back is doing, surrounded by 500 other people. But this would make customers angry! If you dont like it, maybe come up with another idea!

I agree with NetRanger. I am only a staff member, and the cost of coming to the cinema is massive, and sometimes embarrassing. People should understand why the costs are so high though.

27 November 2008, 9:37 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

NetR@nger (User):

Ok,Thanks for the heads up mate.Maybe i overreacted a bit(bad day).Why not have a complete electronics ban in all cinemas,maybe people could walk through a sensor of some type when entering,but you must provide a FREE locker for us to put our stuff in...just a thought

27 November 2008, 9:51 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ljraggy (New user):

Quoting NetR@nger:
you must provide a FREE locker

They won't do that as it will cost money..... I do have a agree with the previous comment as the (Film) Industry says it costs them Millions of dollars in lost revenue, providing that the people downloading would actually pay to see these films in the first place can anyone mention a Block Buster that was actually worth Paying good $$$$ to see lately. I can't comment as i no longer Go to the Cinema.

ps - Friends went to see Hancock and a glitch ment another screen was superimposed over the Paying movie for about 10min at the crucial part, They were refused a refund. That's AMC (Australian Multiplex Cinemas) for you.




27 November 2008, 10:37 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (User):

Quoting dwillis:
agree with NetRanger. I am only a staff member, and the cost of coming to the cinema is massive, and sometimes embarrassing. People should understand why the costs are so high though.

I agree completely with all of your comments dwillis. If it wasn't for all of the portable recording and coping technologies of today you would still have a double feature showing with a lower cost. To put it quite simply if there wasn't a market for people wanting illegal copies which strip the profits of the companies making and showing them then everyone could rest easy and not have to worry about their privacy being invaded in a public space. Don't blame the companies trying to protect their interest, blame yourselves or anyone who thinks they have the right to just do what they want in regards to the law. You want to watch a film before it's official released then do so but don't complain when the movie companies start to fight back in anyway they can. If you owned the rights of a particular medium and know that someone else is duplicating that medium without your consent - would you not try and protect your rights in any way possible? I find it quite disturbing how cinemas these days only have a person checking everyone once in a session. I would like to see a permanent staffer or security guy sitting in every session. Nothing to hide? Nothing to fear! Something to hide then get the hell out!!!!



27 November 2008, 1:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting TV Bis:
Nothing to hide? Nothing to fear!


Unless you get targeted in error anyway. I've read stories of people who don't own computers being targeted, and half of them just pay the "fine" because they can't afford to take weeks off work to defend it.

27 November 2008, 1:24 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (User):

This measure is not going to stop the limited quantity of "screeners" emanating from within Australia, it won't even reduce it a bit. 20th Century knows this as well as all the other studios do. The random "daredevil" with a camcorder counts for an insignificant amount of the difficult to calculate potential profit loss statement. The true source is corruption of the human element.

I'm not condoning piracy but I'm most certainly not against it. The current cinema distribution model is an old system trying to survive in a new environment. It's got plenty of money and it will put up a decent fight, but it's all futile as it shows an unwillingness to change and adapt to its new surroundings and will become extinct.

Anyone who has studied business will agree with me that you can't sustain a business with key components dependent on chance. Piracy is a business, not some random act. There are many opportunities for that reel to be played without a guard watching. I don't need to spell it out, most of you would know what I'm talking about.

The whole thing is a shareholder appeasement stunt. Fighting the piracy that's really hurting them would cost a lot more than $100m and as such is counter-productive as they know the real amount being lost is a much smaller fraction.

27 November 2008, 4:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting agami:
Anyone who has studied business will agree with me that you can't sustain a business with key components dependent on chance.

No need to have studied business to understand, anyone with even a modicum of common sense knows that what your suggesting is very much on the money.


27 November 2008, 4:43 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

itd (User):

If you don’t like being “looked at”, just have some strategically placed ultra bright infra-red LEDs on your person and the “spies” will see nothing but white when they look in your direction. Because they are infra-red and invisible to the naked eye they won't bother anyone else.

27 November 2008, 5:26 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

I suspect it'll attract some attention and result in a rather unpleasant night at the movies for the 10 or so people seated in the general area.
Of course those 10 or so people may suddenly discover a convenient excuse to ask for a refund if it turns out the movie is as crappy as I suspect it is.

27 November 2008, 5:37 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

DuckMan (New user):

What a waste of effort !
Everyone knows there will be a quality DVD or higher release to the pirate sites weeks before a movie shows up in any Austrailian cinema
Some people actualy go to the cinema to enjoy a night out etc etc and to see what they've downloaded on the big screen (If it's worth it that is)
What the studios object to most is the loss of profit from people who see a cam realize the movie is a load of $#^t and don't go
so not only have they lost the profit of your bum in seat but also they wasted their money on the slick advertising that was meant to hide the fact that the movie was a turkey

Hey Hollywood wake up to reality ! nobody wants to wait a year for a load of $#^t to hit our cinemas or pay through the nose for a dvd.
IF you are serious about piracy release the movies every where at the same time let people BUY a renewable licence to download a legal copy of any movie from any site for a reasonable price (EG $100 a year and $5 per movie) If you do this all those horrible people you call pirates might buy your load of corn instead of stealing it to see if it is any good.

27 November 2008, 6:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dwillis (New user):

I think it's highly unlikely that you would get a refund because you didn't like the movie, and because you were spied on. The fact is it is nothing different from normal cinema checks, which happen at all cinemas.

I think Hollywood isn't spending enough time on coming up with good films. If Hollywood produced quality films rather than quantity, then I think this would solve the problem of piracy. It's very rare when I week goes past when a single film isn't released. Most of them are, personally, pure crap.

If a film is good, then people will come to the movies regardless of the cost, because they will have enjoyed the movie.

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