In-depth review: Virgin Broadband's home HSDPA broadband service

Dan Warne
28 July 2007, 1:56 PM


In the past few days I've been writing about how Virgin Broadband has the potential tobreak Telstra's landline monopoly. But if you've been itching to know how the service performs in real life, read on...


In the past few days I've been writing about how good the deal from Virgin Broadband is, and how it has the potential to break Telstra's landline monopoly. But I've been itching to know how the service performs in real life and now, I've been able to find out.

First up, I should make clear that this is not a service targeted at typical APC readers, who value maximum broadband speed and a largish download allowance. For you (and me) the best option is still ADSL or cable.

This is a service for the rest of the population who are not technophiles. This is for all the friends and family who ask you what they should get hooked up to, preferably at the lowest cost possible. And it's especially good for renters who relocate every 12-18 months, because there are no connection or relocation fees -- you just pick up your modem and move.

To recap, the Virgin Broadband service is delivered over Optus' 3G/HSDPA network, so you can disconnect your landline and free yourself of the $30/mth line rental fee. There are no upfront costs, and for $60 a month you get 4GB of wireless broadband at an average 500Kbit/s, and unlimited phonecalls to landlines nationwide and to Virgin Mobile mobiles. The calls are not VoIP -- they're circuit-switched mobile calls, placed via your regular analogue phone handset, so even full-pelt internet usage won't affect call quality in any way.

About the modem and setup

Virgin Broadband modem: on the left you can see the external mobile antenna connectorVirgin Broadband modem: on the left you can see the external mobile antenna connector

The review modem from Virgin Broadband arrived on Friday afternoon and I eagerly plugged it in at the office.

The unit is a Virgin Broadband branded GlobeSurfer II 7.2 from Belgian company Option. Its current firmware is capable of HSDPA connections at up to 3.6Mbit/s, but the chipset is capable of 7.2Mbit/s with a future firmware upgrade. Of course, these numbers are irrelevant to the end user, as Virgin Broadband caps the service at 700Kbit/s per user, but it's good to know that there are speed upgrade options for the future. There's an FAQ section about the modem on Option's website here.

The GlobeSurfer II is quite small and is slickly designed using an iPod-style shiny white plastic. On the back, there are two screw-mounting slots so the unit can be wall-mounted. It also has a nice, compact power supply which should fit easily on any powerboard.

The top of the unit has three buttons -- one to invoke the modem's status screen, one to power the device on/off, and one to invoke a data connection (though the modem will automatically connect if you try to access the net through it, regardless of whether you've pressed the data button or not.)

A mono OLED screen on the side of the modem shows caller ID information as well as modem status -- signal strength, connection type (GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA) and if the modem is currently doing something special like starting up. The screen also lets you see missed calls (including their caller ID) and notifies you if you've got voicemail. Free deposits and retrieval of Virgin Mobile's voicemail service is included in the package -- it's accessed by dialling 212 on your phone.

When the device is idle, a real-time clock bounces around the screen. The time is updated using an NTP (network time protocol) server, so you never have to set it manually, which is handy.

When I switched the modem on, it displayed a cheeky "you're turning me on" message. It takes a little while to boot, but not much longer than the average ADSL modem. Interestingly, the modem is clearly running some form of Linux/UNIX -- the system log is quite informative, showing the modem setting up internal USB devices, and initialising all the different chips that make up the modem. In fact, Option has a page on its website that allows anyone who sends them a cheque for $US15 to obtain the source code of the router.

There's an external antenna connector of the MC-Card type, too, should you be in a marginal reception area.

Speaking of patchy reception, the Optus mobile coverage at APC's Goulburn St Sydney offices is usually so bad that we often can't make out what a caller is saying. Optus sent a tech round to check it out and found that because we're high up (level 23), we're in range of too many base stations and therefore phones hop from base station to base station constantly, causing voice glitching and dropout. Great... too much reception can be as bad as too little, we've discovered.

I was worried that the dodgy excessive mobile reception would cause problems with the Virgin Broadband modem, but as it turned out, the reception on the modem was fine, and after turning it on, it went straight into UMTS mode (3G) and as soon as I hit the connect button, it connected in HSDPA mode.

Setting up the modem really is amazingly easy. It comes with the SIM card already slotted in at the back and you just have to connect the power and turn it on. It'll automatically make the best connection according to the coverage available and the modem's inbuilt router will assign your computer an IP address automatically. I tested at the APC office and at home in inner-west Sydney and in both locations, got HSDPA coverage with no problem. (It's worth noting that at home, I can't get any Unwired reception at all despite being in a "green" coverage zone, which highlights the better penetration of mobile signals.)

There are two ports on the modem -- one for ethernet and one for your plain old analogue telephone, which can of course be either a traditional corded model or a handsfree base station.

Speed tests

I carried out speed tests at both APC in CBD Sydney and at home, in inner-west Sydney using the speedtest.net website. The results were pretty much as promised by Virgin Broadband -- on the whole, download speed was up around 500Kbit/s, but sometimes over 700Kbit/s.

Upload speed was also impressive for a mobile-network based service: it was up around 350Kbit/s, which shames the 64Kbit/s upload speed of Telstra's garden-variety 256/64 Kbit/s ADSL connections. Interestingly, though, when I first tested it at home, the best upload speed I could achieve was about 57Kbit/s. When I tested again a day later, it was over 350Kbit/s, which either suggests there was some cell congestion when I did my first test, or that Optus is still actively working on adjusting the settings of its HSDPA base stations to accommodate the Virgin Broadband service in the lead up to its public release in early August.

A speed test on Virgin Broadband from the APC offices in CBD SydneyA speed test on Virgin Broadband from the APC offices in CBD Sydney

The first speed test I did from home in inner-west Sydney: note the low upload speed of 56Kbit/sThe first speed test I did from home in inner-west Sydney: note the low upload speed of 56Kbit/s

24 hours later, the second test I did from home: this time, an upload speed of 347Kbit/s.24 hours later, the second test I did from home: this time, an upload speed of 347Kbit/s.

I was also curious to see what a P2P transfer would be like, given Virgin Broadband makes a point of saying in its acceptable use policy that you can't use any application that sits in the background streaming away while you're not there.

"The service is provided for interactive use. However, if automated programs or programs that maintain a persistent connection to a remote service are used, they must only be used when you are physically present at the computer. These activities include (but are not limited to) automated file downloading, IRC ‘bots’, continuous streaming media and peer-to-peer file sharing applications."

In fact, the company says that P2P transfers will be throttled down to 64Kbit/s, which is a pretty useless speed for P2P, but also understandable given that P2P can fill bandwidth 24/7 which is bad for other users of a wireless network. With any wireless network, including the Optus 3G network, there's only so much wireless bandwidth per cell to go round. It's not a problem for wireline ISPs because they can simply keep upgrading their back-end pipes in order to accommodate P2P demand.

Nonetheless, I felt it was my duty to readers to see whether Virgin Broadband actually had systems in place to block P2P or was simply waging a war of words on the protocols that bring us all so much pleasure in the form of movies, music and TV shows. I picked a torrent that had over 800 seeds, which would be sure to have very fast download speeds, and as you can see from the screenshot below, the transfer speed after just a short time of torrenting was 73.4KB/s -- equivalent to around 734Kbit/s. Evidently, either Virgin Mobile hasn't yet got a system in place for throttling P2P, or it is planning to apply throttles to customer connections on a case-by-case basis.

P2P bandwidth wasn't throttled in our testing: your mileage may vary.P2P bandwidth wasn't throttled in our testing: your mileage may vary.

Of course, you'd be pretty foolish to buy Virgin Broadband based on the above test result and have the expectation that you'll be able to do P2P too: Virgin evidently doesn't want users to do it, and if it becomes a problem for them, they'll obviously find a way of stopping you from doing it. And they have every right to, since they've been very upfront about it in the marketing of their service.

(As a sidenote, if Virgin really wanted to knock P2P on the head, it could simply disable UPnP in the modem and remove the modem's port forwarding configuration functionality, but it is still present in the modem as shown in the screenshot below.)

(Note to Virgin Broadband: that is not a suggestion; if you take it out, you know users will find a way to put it back in, using the Option generic firmware, etc. And like everything to do with P2P, there are legitimate reasons to have UPnP and port forwarding, like MSN Messenger file transfers and certain VoIP setups.)

Port forwarding configurationPort forwarding configuration

Call quality

As the Virgin Broadband service is designed to be a complete landline replacement, it comes with a standard landline phone number in your state's number range (e.g. 02 8123 4567 for Sydney) so people can ring you at regular local/STD costs. From mid-September onwards, Virgin is offering landline number porting, meaning you can cancel your Telstra landline and transfer your home phone number to the Virgin Broadband modem.

I made several phone calls to test the quality of calls over the Optus 3G network. Obviously, most people know what a mobile call sounds like, but I was interested to see what it would sound like coming out of my old Telstra Touchfone 200.

I made the rather surprising discovery that calls through the Virgin Broadband product are actually higher quality than through my Telstra landline. I live in an apartment building and the phone line has never been that great -- calls are soft and my ADSL2+ modem reports a pretty high attenuation level, which basically means the signal coming from the exchange has faded out quite a lot by the time it gets to my phone plug.

I was also surprised that calls via the Virgin Broadband box really were landline-quality and better than what you would typically get from a mobile phone using earphones, for example. I experienced no sound glitching of any sort during several lengthy phone calls.

It is possible to access the internet while making a call. On most mobile phones, this can't be done -- phones usually cancel a data connection while a call is in progress. This wasn't the case with the Virgin Broadband modem -- I ran speed tests while on a call, and they provided the same results as when a call wasn't in progress.

As a sidenote, one interesting possibility with the modem is the ability to forward all calls on the modem's landline number to a Virgin Mobile number. Since all calls to Virgin Mobile numbers are free of charge, you then effectively have a mobile phone with a local number attached to it. To achieve this, you have to take the SIM card out of the modem, put it in a mobile phone and set the call forwarding rules (I tested this, and it worked.) It can't be done through the modem interface, as it doesn't have any settings for call forwarding, and the regular Telstra landline call forwarding code *21[number]# didn't work when dialled.

I also tried putting the modem's SIM card in a regular mobile phone and it worked fine -- when I called the Virgin Broadband-assigned landline number, my mobile rang. Of course, given Virgin Broadband's ban on making phone calls outside your home zone, this is not a terribly useful capability, and of course, it stops your modem from working. But if you happen to live on a large property, this capability provides a cordless phone on steroids -- as long as you have Optus mobile reception (even 2G), you could make unlimited nationwide calls at no extra cost, and people could call you on your local number.

Networking capabilties

The modem's admin interface is really excellent compared to most ADSL modems I've seen. It's laid out in an iconised control-panel style, which makes it quite easily to work through.

There are numerous handy features:

  • Dynamic DNS support, so you can have a domain name always pointing at your modem's IP address. (Option has a PDF describing how to set it up here)
  • L2TP/PPTP VPN server, so you can connect to your home network from a remote location and access network resources as if you were locally connected
  • SNMP, so you can monitor your modem's various statistics using an SNMP monitoring utility
  • Remote administration, so you can configure your modem remotely using HTTP, HTTPS or Telnet
  • UPnP, so that software like instant messagers, P2P programs and VoIP apps can open ports on the router for you, avoiding firewall hassles and manual configuration


Costs

There's no up-front cost, but there is a two year contract at $60 per month. This includes the usage of the home modem. However, if you cancel the service, you have to send the modem back to Virgin, as it remains their property.

If you cancel the service within the first 24 months, there is a $15 per month charge for the remaining duration of the contract. However, there's a 30 day money back guarantee on the service, which means you won't have to pay anything if you're not satisfied within the first month (you just have to return the modem in 'as-new' condition.)

A great aspect of the service is that unlike every other mobile broadband service on the market, there are no excess usage fees -- if you exceed your 4GB of usage, the speed is simply throttled back to 128Kbit/s, which is still a usable speed for web browsing and email.

Problems

There are a few problems worth mentioning, though none of them are deal-breakers considering how good the package is overall.

Unsecured WiFi: Danger! Danger Will Robinson! Virgin Broadband has committed the cardinal sin of shipping a modem with WiFi already switched on but unsecured, and may locusts descend on their crops for this transgression. Yes, that's right -- they've shipped a pre-provisioned modem to Joe Average who doesn't know the difference between TKIP and a quick nap in the afternoon, and who will soon find his monthly usage allowance is being rapidly chewed up by the porn-surfing neighbours. Seriously, this is a very significant mistake by Virgin. At very least, the modem should be shipped with WiFi switched off, and ideally, users should be forced through a wizard in the modem's interface in order to switch it on and configure security.

Slight connection delay: because cellular bandwidth is a precious resource to a mobile network operator, the modem's internet connection is 'on-demand' -- that is, after a period of inactivity, it will disconnect from the network and automatically reconnect when you try to access the net again. However, in my testing, I found that this took about 10 seconds, and during this time, my web browser would just give errors saying pages couldn't be loaded. (Of course, if you leave something like a mail client open in the background checking mail every minute, the modem stays online indefinitely.) These connection failures will confuse Joe Average and his wife who won't be able to understand why their net connection isn't working when they fire up their web browser. It'd be a big improvement if the modem returned a page saying "connecting, please wait" when a user requested any URL while the modem wasn't connected.

Power outages mean a dead phone: although this isn't a VoIP service, it suffers the same fate as a VoIP service if the power goes out -- your phone won't work. This is the one kick-ass feature of landline phones: power is delivered over the phone line. However, it's hardly an issue in this day and age, because most people have a mobile phone with them at all times, and this is an adequate backup phone for emergency use or for complaints to the power company. (And of course, a cheap UPS is the other alternative.)

There's only one LAN port: so you'll need to add a network switch if you want to connect multiple computers via Ethernet. Then again, they're really not expensive.

You'll still pay for calls to many numbers: Don't get too sucked in to the "free calls" part of the deal. It is genuinely great that you can call any landline in Australia free of charge, but the free calls to Virgin Mobiles are of limited value unless you switch all your family's mobiles over to Virgin (which is surely part of the strategic plan behind this deal.) You will still be paying for calls to Optus/Telstra/Vodafone/3 mobiles at 45c per minute, charged in 30 second blocks. Furthermore, international calls are quite expensive: the cheapest countries are 45c per minute and there are three other charging zones -- 90c/min, $1.30/min and $1.80/min. Also, there are no capped deals for any charged call type, unlike the other major telcos, which often have "$1.50 for 20 minutes" type deals. However, calls to 1800 numbers are free, and calls to 13/1300 numbers are charged at 25c untimed.

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Confused:

Useability of the built in PPTP server might be some what limited if the connection to internet is only live when in actual use.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dialup noob:

Hey Dan, here's an idea. Try plugging a dialup modem into the device, and see if you can make a 56k dialup connection with it? :D

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

It will fall back to 9600 baud in most cases if it holds a connection at all. Higher speeds need higher frequencies that are not carried via mobile phone calls.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Mr. Warne, in relation to Virgin's new product (which on face value, appears to be pretty good and may in fact help some, which is great) breaking "Telstra's landline monopoly" - I can understand all the typical hysteria from the HH's (Hel$tra haters). But for the rest of us, surely the basic question which no one has seemed to have asked is - if it is simply that easy for Virgin to access the Optus network and "slaughter Telstra's landline profit" - why the hell haven't Optus themselves done it already? Surely the largest Telco in Asia would have the technological know how! Also, would you agree that by Virgin accessing Optus' network, void of Telstra, this may in fact give Telstra further ammo in relation to their recent submission to the ACCC, for a relaxing of regulations? Perhaps Q2 answers Q1?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

I think you have misunderstood the relationship between Virgin and Optus. Optus bought back the part of Virgin Mobile it did not already own, thus Virgin Mobile is Optus.

This way Optus can release this product at a cheaper rate and not offer it to their business customers as it is a different brand. Customer service levels may also differ between the brands.

Optus has not done this earlier as they had not rolled out the required upgrades to their 3G network.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this. What do you think of Q2. in relation to the regulatory situation?

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hiney:

Why don't optus do this themselves ?

Don't forget also that companies charge "as much as the market can bear", not just a fee that will return them a reasonable profit.

Given this, if optus (or any other company) is making money in the area that it works in (eg IT, business, petrol, banking, etc), then there is no reason for them to do any work to keep their customers. If people (me and you) started to abandon a company and leave it bereft of customers, then and only then, will a company alter their pricing structure.

Most companies have an obligation to their shareholders (especially public companies, but unlisted companies have shareholders too) so the board members can get into trouble (sacking, fines, jail) for not returning the highest profit possible, thus the "as much as the market can bear" concept.

Laws will need to be changed to allow many companies to charge reasonable fees/prices for a reasonable profit.

p


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

interested :

as my phone bill is over 90 a month i could keep a budget landline for my other broadband connection , get an additional 4gig d/l and save a heap when my phone bill is normally $150 plus - have i missed something :)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Loosestping:

Have you tried VOIP yet? I went from a $90 a month phonebill to a $35 a month phonebill (including line rental). I just use VOIP for the majority of my calls. Can't complain when calls are 10c untimed interstate. The sound quality on the better codecs is pretty good, so much so that many people are unaware of the connection I'm using.

As for Virgin, good to see companies coming to the market with novel products which may over time grab large chunks of market share. Let's also hope Virgin/Optus isn't the only company to tread this path.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jarrod Spiga:

Dan,

I have a quick question relating to the power supply for the modem. What are the ratings on the power supply (voltage and current)? I'm wondering if it would be feasible to jimmy up some kind of battery for the modem giving you true roaming access for say, when I have to check something online while writing an article on the train on the way home from work. ;)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

5V, 2.4A ...


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Grant:

My understanding from various documents I have read indicate that under Federal Regulations it will only be possible to use this product within a limited radius of the nominated "home base". Any connections registered outside this area will cause a request for change of address to be recorded by Virgin.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

> I'm wondering if it would be feasible to
> jimmy up some kind of battery for the
> modem giving you true roaming access for
> say, when I have to check something online
> while writing an article on the train on
> the way home from work. ;)


I don't know if that one will win you "APC Tinfoil Hat of the Month" but it sure as hell will have you at least making the semi finals! :>

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous23432:

.... but if your calling patterns consist of a number of calls to non-virgin mobiles (and 13 numbers), this product will get expensive VERY quickly.

Watch out. Especially with such a long contract. In 12 months time, who knows what the competition will come up with! This is only the beginning!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

13 calls are charged at 25c untimed, so that's not too bad. And the call rate of 45c per minute for calls to mobiles is comparable to that offered from landline-mobile on major telcos -- though of course, the downside is that there are no capped call rates such as $1.50 for 20 minutes. 

But I don't reckon the fact that there might be something better coming down the line is a reason not to sign up. The same applies to buying a computer -- whatever is available today will always be thoroughly superceded in a month's time. At least the contract break fee on this is not too bad -- $15 a month for the remainder of the contract is bearable if something much better comes out. 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Maybe I've missed something, but why do so many people appear to be het-up over the costs of calling 13 and 1300 numbers, and ask if they're free? Haven't 13-numbers always been charged at a standard untimed local call rate? It was the 1800 numbers that were free. Doesn't every carrier impose a standard charge for calls to a 13 number?


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Yes -- every carrier charges a fixed rate for 13 numbers that's separate to any discounted local call rates they might have. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your name::

SJT, you asked why Optus hasn't done it already. Virgin is wholly owned by Optus - so, in answer to your question, Optus *is* doing it.

It will be interesting to see which other mobile networks offer a similar service. If Vodafone follows, Tel$tra would surely have to offer something similar themselves. And if there was open competition for this sort of service, then only a fool would be paying for a landline where these sorts of services are available. Goodbye juicy landline profits. I'm glad I'm not a Tel$tra shareholder ...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this. What do you think of Q2. in relation to the regulatory situation?

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Don't you worry "My Name". You would all be very naive if you think that this will catch Telstra off guard and that any of the larger landline carriers will lose revenue because of it.

The fact is that mobile technology has been long since overtaking landlines.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

Can you connect a voip router up to it and make voip calls ?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeremy Leigh:

Well of course you can use VOIP!

I don't understand why anyone would be worried about 45c/min calls.
Just use VOIP for international calls or calls to mobiles.
Easy!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bobsdio:

hey

how do u use Well of course you can use VOIP! for calls.



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

quacka:

Just wondering the stability of the connection. Can I use it for gaming? I live outside ADSL cable area, it would be good if the connection have no packet losses for gaming. My current Wifi ISP is giving me too much packet loss for even one full DOTA game on warcraft 3.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ray:

Do you think that VOIP viz MyNetFone will work over the Virgin Broadband to get cheaper calls to non-Virgin Mobiles and overseas calls

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff Hodgson:

My only worry is that if the service even becomes vaguely popular, the speeds will slow right down due to congestion on the network...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BrendanH:

Totally agree. With HSDPA, the more users the less speed, as the mobile base stations resources need to be shared among all connected users.
As this test was conducted using a network with not many users at the moment, the data speeds in this test will quickly become obsolete as more users join - especially since these resources will need to be shared among both Optus and Virgin customers.
I'll be interested to see what happens in mobile cells that get congested - will Optus customers take priority over Virgin?


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

Network congestion management will be the real challenge. Vodafone already have problems where at night time you cannot get any data flowing over the HSDPA network. Vodafone know about the problem, you just expected to live with it!

Optus had big problems in the past where you could not make a phone call at 8pm at night because this was when their free calls started.

This sort of problem is not unique to mobile phone networks, it is just the most recent form of congestion. It used to happen on Telstra exchanges when people where just making standard phone calls back in the 1980s.

Ultimately the success of this service will be determined by how much of problem the congestion is.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mic:

I'm curious what the latency of the net connection was like.Would gaming be possible with the service?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

You can see latency in the speed tests actually -- it ranged from 100ms to 175ms.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

A Non:

Would Virgin have conditions so that you wouldn't be allowed to use those cheap dial-a-prefix-number calling cards for OS calls?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Can't see why they would have a problem with that -- if you're just dialling a local number or a 1800, it'd be included in your monthly free calls. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Dan, what reception was the Virgin box reporting on its little yellow meter during your tests? I'm getting only 3/5 bars lit, yet downloads an average 650Kbit/s and uploads around 330Kbit/s, which is pretty close to Virgin's ceiling (700/384)... I'm wondering if 'stronger' reception according to the box really makes any difference..?


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

David, I only get 1/5 bars at home and the modem registers the signal in the status screen as "Low (-89 dBm)", however have just done another test and got 735/352Kbit/s. Seems to me that the modem handles low reception very well indeed.

That said, I have noticed that the modem seems to have lost its connection to the network a few times today. It has just been sitting there reading "searching..." indefinitely. Popping the SIM card in and out again allowed it to reconnect immediately, as did a power cycle (though the SIM card is a better approach as the shutdown and startup process is quite slow.)

Obviously, if it's to be a landline replacement, it must remain connected to the network at all times. At least Virgin is giving a generous money-back guarantee period of 30 days to allow people to test this for themselves. 



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brisbane Boy:

We've been connected through Virgin Broadband for a couple months now and found a couple handy hints for you:

* Service bar doesn't seem to affect internet speed. we only ever get one bar, but the phone never drops out and we constantly get 700 / 300.

* we only use VB for landline calls. We use our mobile phone cap for mobile calls. for around 60 calls a month, usually only costs us $5.

* if on the fringe of service, set the modem to ignore GPRS. For a short while we would only get GPRS (slow arse dial up speed). The modem would take the strongest signal, even if only GPRS. Once the modem ignored the mobile tower, we have clean and clear 3G signal .

* We have downloaded the Weatherzone program which refreshes every 10 minutes (sits on your wallpaper and gives you temp etc). Apart from being useful anyway, this keeps our connection for us without hogging bandwidth from the tower.

About the only down side for us (since we only generally surf and download small items) is the terrible, shocking service from Virgin themselves. If you have a problem, try and find an answer online first, because you could be on hold for up to 45 minutes.

JD.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CC:

How do I set the modem to ignore GPRS? Currently I get one bar of UMTS which works great but then every now and then it just switches to GPRS which has 3 bars but is so much slower.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davo:

Dan, just wondering if this service will handle a fax, can you try connecting one for us?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Davo, will do. Could you email me at dan@danwarnemail.com with a fax number that I could send some test faxes to?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Well, no luck with the faxing so far. I sent test faxes to both of Davo's fax numbers and none of them went through successfully (my fax machine tried six times).

I also sent a test fax to Telstra's Faxstream test service as suggested by another reader and although the fax appeared to go through from my end successfully, my fax was unable to receive Telstra's fax-back response showing the analysis of the fax call quality.

One thing I haven't been able to do is lock the fax down to 9600bps -- we have a very old crummy fax that rarely gets used here in the APC office and we lost the manual in a recent office move. Needless to say the two-line LCD screen does not provide very intuitive menu options, and despite looking through all of them, I wasn't able to find anything about bitrate.

(NB we have a Ricoh Fax 3700L -- discontinued in 1999 -- and manuals only available on a CD from Ricoh for 25 pounds. If anyone can offer any tips on how to set baud rate, I will give it another go.) 



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Kevin:

Wonder if the Xbox360 will work through this?

Looks like a great idea for low net users, although with no number porting till mid September I may go with the Optus Cap deal instead.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous 32:

Is there a way that you could connect the phone outlet on the modem to the current phone wiring in my house, because i need an outlet by the tv, in the bedroom, next to the foxtel, by the fax, and next to the phone.

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Roger:

How would the new Virgin Modem go in a caravan - How does the out of area restrictions work - if travelling to a different location cause a change of address application, how often can the location change and what costs are involved?

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Warren:

I read in the Whirlpool forums that you need to call them if you move house. I don't think there's a charge initially but doing it repeatedly in a van may be different. We'll have to wait and see!

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Colin:

If i remember correctly from something I read you can use the modem as a mobile unit without having to call Virgin and request an address change but you can't use the phone function. Broadband works anywhere (within coverage area) but move outside home area with out permission and the calls start getting charged at mobile rates.

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Shane Wood:

Question? If Virgin's coverage site says i'm not within their coverage area but my '3' mobile phone has 3G reception (although it weak at times)will the internet still work, even if it is a a slower speed?
Cheers

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (5 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Well, the '3' phone is irrelevant -- it's a totally different network to Virgin. Three/Telstra share a network, Optus/Virgin/Vodafone share another network.

But yes, if you can get Optus 2G coverage, the internet will work on this service, just verrry slowly. 



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Travis:

Gday, anyone tested it with an analogue fax unit?? would have massive benefits to building industry if it can provide fax/voice/data from one portable device! Imagine how many site supervisors would carry this around!
Let me know.

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Lincoln:

I am about to install a burgler alarm which calls a phone via landline in the event of a break in.How would I connect the system to the Virgin system. Thanks

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Ed:

Call back to base security services and Foxtel order movies links do not work at present over the Virgin Broadband Modem POTS connection.
Fax also does not work.
VOIP over the data connection does work but suffers drop outs - interestingly Fax over IP using MyNetPhone does work.
Adding Port forwarding for the VOIP ports seems to stop all other traffic through the Modem, however I have just found the "real" manual on the device from Option - the one on the CD from Virgin does not go into any real detail except to say the capability is there.

There's some work to be done, however I was very glad when this service was released on August 2nd. as my planned ISP had just told me they couldn't install the wireless internet I had ordered in my new house as there were trees at the end of the street in the way - and getting ADSL is a "join the queue" situation around here on the NSW Central Coast.

Regards,
Ed.

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JackD:

Hi Ed,

Tried searching the Option site for the 'real' manual - unsuccessfully. Can you please give me the URL from which I can down load
Regards JackD

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