In-depth review: Virgin Broadband's home HSDPA broadband service

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Dan Warne28 July 2007, 1:56 PM

In the past few days I've been writing about how Virgin Broadband has the potential tobreak Telstra's landline monopoly. But if you've been itching to know how the service performs in real life, read on...


In the past few days I've been writing about how good the deal from Virgin Broadband is, and how it has the potential to break Telstra's landline monopoly. But I've been itching to know how the service performs in real life and now, I've been able to find out.

First up, I should make clear that this is not a service targeted at typical APC readers, who value maximum broadband speed and a largish download allowance. For you (and me) the best option is still ADSL or cable.

This is a service for the rest of the population who are not technophiles. This is for all the friends and family who ask you what they should get hooked up to, preferably at the lowest cost possible. And it's especially good for renters who relocate every 12-18 months, because there are no connection or relocation fees -- you just pick up your modem and move.

To recap, the Virgin Broadband service is delivered over Optus' 3G/HSDPA network, so you can disconnect your landline and free yourself of the $30/mth line rental fee. There are no upfront costs, and for $60 a month you get 4GB of wireless broadband at an average 500Kbit/s, and unlimited phonecalls to landlines nationwide and to Virgin Mobile mobiles. The calls are not VoIP -- they're circuit-switched mobile calls, placed via your regular analogue phone handset, so even full-pelt internet usage won't affect call quality in any way.

About the modem and setup

Virgin Broadband modem: on the left you can see the external mobile antenna connectorVirgin Broadband modem: on the left you can see the external mobile antenna connector

The review modem from Virgin Broadband arrived on Friday afternoon and I eagerly plugged it in at the office.

The unit is a Virgin Broadband branded GlobeSurfer II 7.2 from Belgian company Option. Its current firmware is capable of HSDPA connections at up to 3.6Mbit/s, but the chipset is capable of 7.2Mbit/s with a future firmware upgrade. Of course, these numbers are irrelevant to the end user, as Virgin Broadband caps the service at 700Kbit/s per user, but it's good to know that there are speed upgrade options for the future. There's an FAQ section about the modem on Option's website here.

The GlobeSurfer II is quite small and is slickly designed using an iPod-style shiny white plastic. On the back, there are two screw-mounting slots so the unit can be wall-mounted. It also has a nice, compact power supply which should fit easily on any powerboard.

The top of the unit has three buttons -- one to invoke the modem's status screen, one to power the device on/off, and one to invoke a data connection (though the modem will automatically connect if you try to access the net through it, regardless of whether you've pressed the data button or not.)

A mono OLED screen on the side of the modem shows caller ID information as well as modem status -- signal strength, connection type (GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA) and if the modem is currently doing something special like starting up. The screen also lets you see missed calls (including their caller ID) and notifies you if you've got voicemail. Free deposits and retrieval of Virgin Mobile's voicemail service is included in the package -- it's accessed by dialling 212 on your phone.

When the device is idle, a real-time clock bounces around the screen. The time is updated using an NTP (network time protocol) server, so you never have to set it manually, which is handy.

When I switched the modem on, it displayed a cheeky "you're turning me on" message. It takes a little while to boot, but not much longer than the average ADSL modem. Interestingly, the modem is clearly running some form of Linux/UNIX -- the system log is quite informative, showing the modem setting up internal USB devices, and initialising all the different chips that make up the modem. In fact, Option has a page on its website that allows anyone who sends them a cheque for $US15 to obtain the source code of the router.

There's an external antenna connector of the MC-Card type, too, should you be in a marginal reception area.

Speaking of patchy reception, the Optus mobile coverage at APC's Goulburn St Sydney offices is usually so bad that we often can't make out what a caller is saying. Optus sent a tech round to check it out and found that because we're high up (level 23), we're in range of too many base stations and therefore phones hop from base station to base station constantly, causing voice glitching and dropout. Great... too much reception can be as bad as too little, we've discovered.

I was worried that the dodgy excessive mobile reception would cause problems with the Virgin Broadband modem, but as it turned out, the reception on the modem was fine, and after turning it on, it went straight into UMTS mode (3G) and as soon as I hit the connect button, it connected in HSDPA mode.

Setting up the modem really is amazingly easy. It comes with the SIM card already slotted in at the back and you just have to connect the power and turn it on. It'll automatically make the best connection according to the coverage available and the modem's inbuilt router will assign your computer an IP address automatically. I tested at the APC office and at home in inner-west Sydney and in both locations, got HSDPA coverage with no problem. (It's worth noting that at home, I can't get any Unwired reception at all despite being in a "green" coverage zone, which highlights the better penetration of mobile signals.)

There are two ports on the modem -- one for ethernet and one for your plain old analogue telephone, which can of course be either a traditional corded model or a handsfree base station.

Speed tests

I carried out speed tests at both APC in CBD Sydney and at home, in inner-west Sydney using the speedtest.net website. The results were pretty much as promised by Virgin Broadband -- on the whole, download speed was up around 500Kbit/s, but sometimes over 700Kbit/s.

Upload speed was also impressive for a mobile-network based service: it was up around 350Kbit/s, which shames the 64Kbit/s upload speed of Telstra's garden-variety 256/64 Kbit/s ADSL connections. Interestingly, though, when I first tested it at home, the best upload speed I could achieve was about 57Kbit/s. When I tested again a day later, it was over 350Kbit/s, which either suggests there was some cell congestion when I did my first test, or that Optus is still actively working on adjusting the settings of its HSDPA base stations to accommodate the Virgin Broadband service in the lead up to its public release in early August.

A speed test on Virgin Broadband from the APC offices in CBD SydneyA speed test on Virgin Broadband from the APC offices in CBD Sydney

The first speed test I did from home in inner-west Sydney: note the low upload speed of 56Kbit/sThe first speed test I did from home in inner-west Sydney: note the low upload speed of 56Kbit/s

24 hours later, the second test I did from home: this time, an upload speed of 347Kbit/s.24 hours later, the second test I did from home: this time, an upload speed of 347Kbit/s.

I was also curious to see what a P2P transfer would be like, given Virgin Broadband makes a point of saying in its acceptable use policy that you can't use any application that sits in the background streaming away while you're not there.

"The service is provided for interactive use. However, if automated programs or programs that maintain a persistent connection to a remote service are used, they must only be used when you are physically present at the computer. These activities include (but are not limited to) automated file downloading, IRC ‘bots’, continuous streaming media and peer-to-peer file sharing applications."

In fact, the company says that P2P transfers will be throttled down to 64Kbit/s, which is a pretty useless speed for P2P, but also understandable given that P2P can fill bandwidth 24/7 which is bad for other users of a wireless network. With any wireless network, including the Optus 3G network, there's only so much wireless bandwidth per cell to go round. It's not a problem for wireline ISPs because they can simply keep upgrading their back-end pipes in order to accommodate P2P demand.

Nonetheless, I felt it was my duty to readers to see whether Virgin Broadband actually had systems in place to block P2P or was simply waging a war of words on the protocols that bring us all so much pleasure in the form of movies, music and TV shows. I picked a torrent that had over 800 seeds, which would be sure to have very fast download speeds, and as you can see from the screenshot below, the transfer speed after just a short time of torrenting was 73.4KB/s -- equivalent to around 734Kbit/s. Evidently, either Virgin Mobile hasn't yet got a system in place for throttling P2P, or it is planning to apply throttles to customer connections on a case-by-case basis.

P2P bandwidth wasn't throttled in our testing: your mileage may vary.P2P bandwidth wasn't throttled in our testing: your mileage may vary.

Of course, you'd be pretty foolish to buy Virgin Broadband based on the above test result and have the expectation that you'll be able to do P2P too: Virgin evidently doesn't want users to do it, and if it becomes a problem for them, they'll obviously find a way of stopping you from doing it. And they have every right to, since they've been very upfront about it in the marketing of their service.

(As a sidenote, if Virgin really wanted to knock P2P on the head, it could simply disable UPnP in the modem and remove the modem's port forwarding configuration functionality, but it is still present in the modem as shown in the screenshot below.)

(Note to Virgin Broadband: that is not a suggestion; if you take it out, you know users will find a way to put it back in, using the Option generic firmware, etc. And like everything to do with P2P, there are legitimate reasons to have UPnP and port forwarding, like MSN Messenger file transfers and certain VoIP setups.)

Port forwarding configurationPort forwarding configuration

Call quality

As the Virgin Broadband service is designed to be a complete landline replacement, it comes with a standard landline phone number in your state's number range (e.g. 02 8123 4567 for Sydney) so people can ring you at regular local/STD costs. From mid-September onwards, Virgin is offering landline number porting, meaning you can cancel your Telstra landline and transfer your home phone number to the Virgin Broadband modem.

I made several phone calls to test the quality of calls over the Optus 3G network. Obviously, most people know what a mobile call sounds like, but I was interested to see what it would sound like coming out of my old Telstra Touchfone 200.

I made the rather surprising discovery that calls through the Virgin Broadband product are actually higher quality than through my Telstra landline. I live in an apartment building and the phone line has never been that great -- calls are soft and my ADSL2+ modem reports a pretty high attenuation level, which basically means the signal coming from the exchange has faded out quite a lot by the time it gets to my phone plug.

I was also surprised that calls via the Virgin Broadband box really were landline-quality and better than what you would typically get from a mobile phone using earphones, for example. I experienced no sound glitching of any sort during several lengthy phone calls.

It is possible to access the internet while making a call. On most mobile phones, this can't be done -- phones usually cancel a data connection while a call is in progress. This wasn't the case with the Virgin Broadband modem -- I ran speed tests while on a call, and they provided the same results as when a call wasn't in progress.

As a sidenote, one interesting possibility with the modem is the ability to forward all calls on the modem's landline number to a Virgin Mobile number. Since all calls to Virgin Mobile numbers are free of charge, you then effectively have a mobile phone with a local number attached to it. To achieve this, you have to take the SIM card out of the modem, put it in a mobile phone and set the call forwarding rules (I tested this, and it worked.) It can't be done through the modem interface, as it doesn't have any settings for call forwarding, and the regular Telstra landline call forwarding code *21[number]# didn't work when dialled.

I also tried putting the modem's SIM card in a regular mobile phone and it worked fine -- when I called the Virgin Broadband-assigned landline number, my mobile rang. Of course, given Virgin Broadband's ban on making phone calls outside your home zone, this is not a terribly useful capability, and of course, it stops your modem from working. But if you happen to live on a large property, this capability provides a cordless phone on steroids -- as long as you have Optus mobile reception (even 2G), you could make unlimited nationwide calls at no extra cost, and people could call you on your local number.

Networking capabilties

The modem's admin interface is really excellent compared to most ADSL modems I've seen. It's laid out in an iconised control-panel style, which makes it quite easily to work through.

There are numerous handy features:

  • Dynamic DNS support, so you can have a domain name always pointing at your modem's IP address. (Option has a PDF describing how to set it up here)
  • L2TP/PPTP VPN server, so you can connect to your home network from a remote location and access network resources as if you were locally connected
  • SNMP, so you can monitor your modem's various statistics using an SNMP monitoring utility
  • Remote administration, so you can configure your modem remotely using HTTP, HTTPS or Telnet
  • UPnP, so that software like instant messagers, P2P programs and VoIP apps can open ports on the router for you, avoiding firewall hassles and manual configuration


Costs

There's no up-front cost, but there is a two year contract at $60 per month. This includes the usage of the home modem. However, if you cancel the service, you have to send the modem back to Virgin, as it remains their property.

If you cancel the service within the first 24 months, there is a $15 per month charge for the remaining duration of the contract. However, there's a 30 day money back guarantee on the service, which means you won't have to pay anything if you're not satisfied within the first month (you just have to return the modem in 'as-new' condition.)

A great aspect of the service is that unlike every other mobile broadband service on the market, there are no excess usage fees -- if you exceed your 4GB of usage, the speed is simply throttled back to 128Kbit/s, which is still a usable speed for web browsing and email.

Problems

There are a few problems worth mentioning, though none of them are deal-breakers considering how good the package is overall.

Unsecured WiFi: Danger! Danger Will Robinson! Virgin Broadband has committed the cardinal sin of shipping a modem with WiFi already switched on but unsecured, and may locusts descend on their crops for this transgression. Yes, that's right -- they've shipped a pre-provisioned modem to Joe Average who doesn't know the difference between TKIP and a quick nap in the afternoon, and who will soon find his monthly usage allowance is being rapidly chewed up by the porn-surfing neighbours. Seriously, this is a very significant mistake by Virgin. At very least, the modem should be shipped with WiFi switched off, and ideally, users should be forced through a wizard in the modem's interface in order to switch it on and configure security.

Slight connection delay: because cellular bandwidth is a precious resource to a mobile network operator, the modem's internet connection is 'on-demand' -- that is, after a period of inactivity, it will disconnect from the network and automatically reconnect when you try to access the net again. However, in my testing, I found that this took about 10 seconds, and during this time, my web browser would just give errors saying pages couldn't be loaded. (Of course, if you leave something like a mail client open in the background checking mail every minute, the modem stays online indefinitely.) These connection failures will confuse Joe Average and his wife who won't be able to understand why their net connection isn't working when they fire up their web browser. It'd be a big improvement if the modem returned a page saying "connecting, please wait" when a user requested any URL while the modem wasn't connected.

Power outages mean a dead phone: although this isn't a VoIP service, it suffers the same fate as a VoIP service if the power goes out -- your phone won't work. This is the one kick-ass feature of landline phones: power is delivered over the phone line. However, it's hardly an issue in this day and age, because most people have a mobile phone with them at all times, and this is an adequate backup phone for emergency use or for complaints to the power company. (And of course, a cheap UPS is the other alternative.)

There's only one LAN port: so you'll need to add a network switch if you want to connect multiple computers via Ethernet. Then again, they're really not expensive.

You'll still pay for calls to many numbers: Don't get too sucked in to the "free calls" part of the deal. It is genuinely great that you can call any landline in Australia free of charge, but the free calls to Virgin Mobiles are of limited value unless you switch all your family's mobiles over to Virgin (which is surely part of the strategic plan behind this deal.) You will still be paying for calls to Optus/Telstra/Vodafone/3 mobiles at 45c per minute, charged in 30 second blocks. Furthermore, international calls are quite expensive: the cheapest countries are 45c per minute and there are three other charging zones -- 90c/min, $1.30/min and $1.80/min. Also, there are no capped deals for any charged call type, unlike the other major telcos, which often have "$1.50 for 20 minutes" type deals. However, calls to 1800 numbers are free, and calls to 13/1300 numbers are charged at 25c untimed.

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Confused:

Useability of the built in PPTP server might be some what limited if the connection to internet is only live when in actual use.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dialup noob:

Hey Dan, here's an idea. Try plugging a dialup modem into the device, and see if you can make a 56k dialup connection with it? :D

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

It will fall back to 9600 baud in most cases if it holds a connection at all. Higher speeds need higher frequencies that are not carried via mobile phone calls.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Mr. Warne, in relation to Virgin's new product (which on face value, appears to be pretty good and may in fact help some, which is great) breaking "Telstra's landline monopoly" - I can understand all the typical hysteria from the HH's (Hel$tra haters). But for the rest of us, surely the basic question which no one has seemed to have asked is - if it is simply that easy for Virgin to access the Optus network and "slaughter Telstra's landline profit" - why the hell haven't Optus themselves done it already? Surely the largest Telco in Asia would have the technological know how! Also, would you agree that by Virgin accessing Optus' network, void of Telstra, this may in fact give Telstra further ammo in relation to their recent submission to the ACCC, for a relaxing of regulations? Perhaps Q2 answers Q1?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

I think you have misunderstood the relationship between Virgin and Optus. Optus bought back the part of Virgin Mobile it did not already own, thus Virgin Mobile is Optus.

This way Optus can release this product at a cheaper rate and not offer it to their business customers as it is a different brand. Customer service levels may also differ between the brands.

Optus has not done this earlier as they had not rolled out the required upgrades to their 3G network.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this. What do you think of Q2. in relation to the regulatory situation?

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hiney:

Why don't optus do this themselves ?

Don't forget also that companies charge "as much as the market can bear", not just a fee that will return them a reasonable profit.

Given this, if optus (or any other company) is making money in the area that it works in (eg IT, business, petrol, banking, etc), then there is no reason for them to do any work to keep their customers. If people (me and you) started to abandon a company and leave it bereft of customers, then and only then, will a company alter their pricing structure.

Most companies have an obligation to their shareholders (especially public companies, but unlisted companies have shareholders too) so the board members can get into trouble (sacking, fines, jail) for not returning the highest profit possible, thus the "as much as the market can bear" concept.

Laws will need to be changed to allow many companies to charge reasonable fees/prices for a reasonable profit.

p


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

interested :

as my phone bill is over 90 a month i could keep a budget landline for my other broadband connection , get an additional 4gig d/l and save a heap when my phone bill is normally $150 plus - have i missed something :)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Loosestping:

Have you tried VOIP yet? I went from a $90 a month phonebill to a $35 a month phonebill (including line rental). I just use VOIP for the majority of my calls. Can't complain when calls are 10c untimed interstate. The sound quality on the better codecs is pretty good, so much so that many people are unaware of the connection I'm using.

As for Virgin, good to see companies coming to the market with novel products which may over time grab large chunks of market share. Let's also hope Virgin/Optus isn't the only company to tread this path.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jarrod Spiga:

Dan,

I have a quick question relating to the power supply for the modem. What are the ratings on the power supply (voltage and current)? I'm wondering if it would be feasible to jimmy up some kind of battery for the modem giving you true roaming access for say, when I have to check something online while writing an article on the train on the way home from work. ;)

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

5V, 2.4A ...


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Grant:

My understanding from various documents I have read indicate that under Federal Regulations it will only be possible to use this product within a limited radius of the nominated "home base". Any connections registered outside this area will cause a request for change of address to be recorded by Virgin.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

> I'm wondering if it would be feasible to
> jimmy up some kind of battery for the
> modem giving you true roaming access for
> say, when I have to check something online
> while writing an article on the train on
> the way home from work. ;)


I don't know if that one will win you "APC Tinfoil Hat of the Month" but it sure as hell will have you at least making the semi finals! :>

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous23432:

.... but if your calling patterns consist of a number of calls to non-virgin mobiles (and 13 numbers), this product will get expensive VERY quickly.

Watch out. Especially with such a long contract. In 12 months time, who knows what the competition will come up with! This is only the beginning!

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

13 calls are charged at 25c untimed, so that's not too bad. And the call rate of 45c per minute for calls to mobiles is comparable to that offered from landline-mobile on major telcos -- though of course, the downside is that there are no capped call rates such as $1.50 for 20 minutes. 

But I don't reckon the fact that there might be something better coming down the line is a reason not to sign up. The same applies to buying a computer -- whatever is available today will always be thoroughly superceded in a month's time. At least the contract break fee on this is not too bad -- $15 a month for the remainder of the contract is bearable if something much better comes out. 



29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Maybe I've missed something, but why do so many people appear to be het-up over the costs of calling 13 and 1300 numbers, and ask if they're free? Haven't 13-numbers always been charged at a standard untimed local call rate? It was the 1800 numbers that were free. Doesn't every carrier impose a standard charge for calls to a 13 number?


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Yes -- every carrier charges a fixed rate for 13 numbers that's separate to any discounted local call rates they might have. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your name::

SJT, you asked why Optus hasn't done it already. Virgin is wholly owned by Optus - so, in answer to your question, Optus *is* doing it.

It will be interesting to see which other mobile networks offer a similar service. If Vodafone follows, Tel$tra would surely have to offer something similar themselves. And if there was open competition for this sort of service, then only a fool would be paying for a landline where these sorts of services are available. Goodbye juicy landline profits. I'm glad I'm not a Tel$tra shareholder ...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

SJT:

Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this. What do you think of Q2. in relation to the regulatory situation?

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

Don't you worry "My Name". You would all be very naive if you think that this will catch Telstra off guard and that any of the larger landline carriers will lose revenue because of it.

The fact is that mobile technology has been long since overtaking landlines.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

Can you connect a voip router up to it and make voip calls ?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeremy Leigh:

Well of course you can use VOIP!

I don't understand why anyone would be worried about 45c/min calls.
Just use VOIP for international calls or calls to mobiles.
Easy!

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bobsdio:

hey

how do u use Well of course you can use VOIP! for calls.



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

quacka:

Just wondering the stability of the connection. Can I use it for gaming? I live outside ADSL cable area, it would be good if the connection have no packet losses for gaming. My current Wifi ISP is giving me too much packet loss for even one full DOTA game on warcraft 3.

29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ray:

Do you think that VOIP viz MyNetFone will work over the Virgin Broadband to get cheaper calls to non-Virgin Mobiles and overseas calls

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff Hodgson:

My only worry is that if the service even becomes vaguely popular, the speeds will slow right down due to congestion on the network...

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BrendanH:

Totally agree. With HSDPA, the more users the less speed, as the mobile base stations resources need to be shared among all connected users.
As this test was conducted using a network with not many users at the moment, the data speeds in this test will quickly become obsolete as more users join - especially since these resources will need to be shared among both Optus and Virgin customers.
I'll be interested to see what happens in mobile cells that get congested - will Optus customers take priority over Virgin?


29 February 2008, 8:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Craig:

Network congestion management will be the real challenge. Vodafone already have problems where at night time you cannot get any data flowing over the HSDPA network. Vodafone know about the problem, you just expected to live with it!

Optus had big problems in the past where you could not make a phone call at 8pm at night because this was when their free calls started.

This sort of problem is not unique to mobile phone networks, it is just the most recent form of congestion. It used to happen on Telstra exchanges when people where just making standard phone calls back in the 1980s.

Ultimately the success of this service will be determined by how much of problem the congestion is.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mic:

I'm curious what the latency of the net connection was like.Would gaming be possible with the service?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

You can see latency in the speed tests actually -- it ranged from 100ms to 175ms.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

A Non:

Would Virgin have conditions so that you wouldn't be allowed to use those cheap dial-a-prefix-number calling cards for OS calls?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Can't see why they would have a problem with that -- if you're just dialling a local number or a 1800, it'd be included in your monthly free calls. 

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Dan, what reception was the Virgin box reporting on its little yellow meter during your tests? I'm getting only 3/5 bars lit, yet downloads an average 650Kbit/s and uploads around 330Kbit/s, which is pretty close to Virgin's ceiling (700/384)... I'm wondering if 'stronger' reception according to the box really makes any difference..?


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

David, I only get 1/5 bars at home and the modem registers the signal in the status screen as "Low (-89 dBm)", however have just done another test and got 735/352Kbit/s. Seems to me that the modem handles low reception very well indeed.

That said, I have noticed that the modem seems to have lost its connection to the network a few times today. It has just been sitting there reading "searching..." indefinitely. Popping the SIM card in and out again allowed it to reconnect immediately, as did a power cycle (though the SIM card is a better approach as the shutdown and startup process is quite slow.)

Obviously, if it's to be a landline replacement, it must remain connected to the network at all times. At least Virgin is giving a generous money-back guarantee period of 30 days to allow people to test this for themselves. 



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Brisbane Boy:

We've been connected through Virgin Broadband for a couple months now and found a couple handy hints for you:

* Service bar doesn't seem to affect internet speed. we only ever get one bar, but the phone never drops out and we constantly get 700 / 300.

* we only use VB for landline calls. We use our mobile phone cap for mobile calls. for around 60 calls a month, usually only costs us $5.

* if on the fringe of service, set the modem to ignore GPRS. For a short while we would only get GPRS (slow arse dial up speed). The modem would take the strongest signal, even if only GPRS. Once the modem ignored the mobile tower, we have clean and clear 3G signal .

* We have downloaded the Weatherzone program which refreshes every 10 minutes (sits on your wallpaper and gives you temp etc). Apart from being useful anyway, this keeps our connection for us without hogging bandwidth from the tower.

About the only down side for us (since we only generally surf and download small items) is the terrible, shocking service from Virgin themselves. If you have a problem, try and find an answer online first, because you could be on hold for up to 45 minutes.

JD.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CC:

How do I set the modem to ignore GPRS? Currently I get one bar of UMTS which works great but then every now and then it just switches to GPRS which has 3 bars but is so much slower.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davo:

Dan, just wondering if this service will handle a fax, can you try connecting one for us?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Davo, will do. Could you email me at dan@danwarnemail.com with a fax number that I could send some test faxes to?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne:

Well, no luck with the faxing so far. I sent test faxes to both of Davo's fax numbers and none of them went through successfully (my fax machine tried six times).

I also sent a test fax to Telstra's Faxstream test service as suggested by another reader and although the fax appeared to go through from my end successfully, my fax was unable to receive Telstra's fax-back response showing the analysis of the fax call quality.

One thing I haven't been able to do is lock the fax down to 9600bps -- we have a very old crummy fax that rarely gets used here in the APC office and we lost the manual in a recent office move. Needless to say the two-line LCD screen does not provide very intuitive menu options, and despite looking through all of them, I wasn't able to find anything about bitrate.

(NB we have a Ricoh Fax 3700L -- discontinued in 1999 -- and manuals only available on a CD from Ricoh for 25 pounds. If anyone can offer any tips on how to set baud rate, I will give it another go.) 



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kevin:

Wonder if the Xbox360 will work through this?

Looks like a great idea for low net users, although with no number porting till mid September I may go with the Optus Cap deal instead.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous 32:

Is there a way that you could connect the phone outlet on the modem to the current phone wiring in my house, because i need an outlet by the tv, in the bedroom, next to the foxtel, by the fax, and next to the phone.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Roger:

How would the new Virgin Modem go in a caravan - How does the out of area restrictions work - if travelling to a different location cause a change of address application, how often can the location change and what costs are involved?

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Warren:

I read in the Whirlpool forums that you need to call them if you move house. I don't think there's a charge initially but doing it repeatedly in a van may be different. We'll have to wait and see!

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Colin:

If i remember correctly from something I read you can use the modem as a mobile unit without having to call Virgin and request an address change but you can't use the phone function. Broadband works anywhere (within coverage area) but move outside home area with out permission and the calls start getting charged at mobile rates.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shane Wood:

Question? If Virgin's coverage site says i'm not within their coverage area but my '3' mobile phone has 3G reception (although it weak at times)will the internet still work, even if it is a a slower speed?
Cheers

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

Well, the '3' phone is irrelevant -- it's a totally different network to Virgin. Three/Telstra share a network, Optus/Virgin/Vodafone share another network.

But yes, if you can get Optus 2G coverage, the internet will work on this service, just verrry slowly. 



29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Travis:

Gday, anyone tested it with an analogue fax unit?? would have massive benefits to building industry if it can provide fax/voice/data from one portable device! Imagine how many site supervisors would carry this around!
Let me know.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Lincoln:

I am about to install a burgler alarm which calls a phone via landline in the event of a break in.How would I connect the system to the Virgin system. Thanks

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ed:

Call back to base security services and Foxtel order movies links do not work at present over the Virgin Broadband Modem POTS connection.
Fax also does not work.
VOIP over the data connection does work but suffers drop outs - interestingly Fax over IP using MyNetPhone does work.
Adding Port forwarding for the VOIP ports seems to stop all other traffic through the Modem, however I have just found the "real" manual on the device from Option - the one on the CD from Virgin does not go into any real detail except to say the capability is there.

There's some work to be done, however I was very glad when this service was released on August 2nd. as my planned ISP had just told me they couldn't install the wireless internet I had ordered in my new house as there were trees at the end of the street in the way - and getting ADSL is a "join the queue" situation around here on the NSW Central Coast.

Regards,
Ed.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JackD:

Hi Ed,

Tried searching the Option site for the 'real' manual - unsuccessfully. Can you please give me the URL from which I can down load
Regards JackD

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kaiviti:

Hi Dan,

Great review. Will you be doing one for Virgin's other offer? I am very keen to replace my Telstra wireless broadband with that, but have not seen any real life stories about how good it is. The $520 worth of calls is definitely a plus for me. My wireless connection is only for when I am on the move. I do the occasional intercity road trip, but mostly Sydney metro. Wireless is only to supplement my main cable internet service.

Thanks
K

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom:

Pardon my ignorance, but I am new to skype and other similar things, but have found them great.

Would you be able to use skype with this as with normal ADSL? Or does this come under the peer 2 peer definition they are talking about?

Thanks for any reply


29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JJNFG:

I tried Skype call to Singapore yesterday via Virgin's Modem and it was very clear and no delay at all.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

I have just done the speed test from Port Adelaide. I cant access the default network but have dropped down to the second level, but upload was 327kbs and download was 596kb/s I am really happy with the timing as I was about to pay Telstra $250 for the privilege of installing a new land line to a brand new home!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Frustrated Virgin:

I have recently trialed the Virgin wireless broadband and it keeps disconnecting, which is frustrating to say the least. I called Virgin 3 times and have been on hold for 1 hour, 45 minutes and I am approaching 30 minutes as I write this.



29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CrazyFrog:

I am considering switching from Optus Cable (currently 3300kbps / 120kbps) and I am wondering what impact the Virgin Broadband speed will have on my day to day life? We mainly browse Aussie websites and a bit of YouTube.

Any advice is welcomed. Cheers.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

marconi:

Stick with the cable services. Wireless broadband services are suitable only for short sessions for travelling reps and have slow speeds and frequent drop outs. This is true of Telstra NextG or Virgin or any one else. The issue is the fundamental nature of technology, not the provider.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul:

I have the same problem, I have had to call Virgin at least 13 times and have been on hold for up to 4 hours.

I rang the other night at 7.30pm and was disconnected at 3.5 hours later with the message that there support closed at 11.00pm and to call back in the morning!!

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Chris Brent:

Thanks Dan - very informative. A hardware question. Virgin BB request minimum 512 MB RAM for Macs. I have a 1.2 GHz PowerPC G4 iBook with 256 MB Built-in. Do I actually need to buy more RAM to use the Virgin service? Thanks.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Marty:

Hi guys , Ive been playing around with this virgin modem for a few days now, and are pretty committed to making it work to dump the telstra copper wire. So where my pc office is situated is in a besser block building, and if assuming its hard to talk on a mobile inside as it is in a lot of solid buildings ,we usually have to walk out side to get better reception. So im thinking we can boost the signal by taking an external antenna outside and getting a bit of height up the building , problem is no one does an antenna with a mc-card connector to plug into the modem.
Does any one have any experience with this area, or ideas, as I think it may prevent a lot of people returning the modems to virgin after the 30 days, out of fustration of drop outs , if they could just increase their signal strength.

Thanks in advance, marty

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pete:

Marty,
this is definately possible. Email me some more detials and I'll see if I can help you through this. Visit
hometechinstalls.com.au and contact me through the contact page.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin Platt:

I got the modem, because I'm on a pair gain system, have been for a year, and Telstra who does nothing about it.
There's ADSL2+ at the local exchange, but it isn't Telstra, so basically they have no interest in taking the pair gain away.
Anyway, I digress...

I tried the modem, and I only get GRPS coverage, although my 3 phone get 3G coverage no problems.
I phoned Virgin, and asked about an external antenna, and they said that yes it does have an external antenna, but they don't use them "because tests showed that it didn't make a difference to signal strength". My view is that they were not unsing a very big antenna then!

So, from what I understand of it, or was told at least, external antennas are out.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pete:

That is absolute rubbish. While the receiver in the Option modem is very sensitive (ie works well at low RF levels) the fact is that the more level you have the better chance you have at maintaining a consistant connection with high data bit rates. I have had really good success at fitting external antennas and the results mean that I now always have an HSDPA connection while downloading. When the modem is idle (not downloading) it will switch to UMTS, this is normal operation. P.S. make sure you dissable GPRS altogether.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

andrew:

It is very intersting that you can connect external antenna to virgin modem. Can you tell me what kind of antenna you are usin and how much does it cost? Many thank for your information.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

amib:

Peter, we're following this discussion with great interest after moving to new rural address and taking up the V Broadband 30 day offer rather than sign on to %elstra% and lose our fantastic silent %ptus% landline service that are unable to service this area. Generally get GPRS 3/5 which has been fine for phone calls to mum, internet connection usually UMTS 1-2/5 only. Quite a lot for $60.00 month but really want to disprove this deal properly before sinking to %elstra% as final option. We want to understand how to fit an external antennae. Do we need to purchase a specific antennae/cable? If so what are the specs? Geographically we are in a slight dip with nice high trees with no interference at the upper levels. Have to send modem back first week October - appreciate knowledgeable response thanks kindly Andrea

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pete:

If you are in Brisbane I can help you with a site survey and supply and installation of an external antenna for Virgin BB. If you are outside of Brisbane I suggest you look here http://www.rfshop.com.au/Blogs/tabid/648/EntryID/21/Default.aspx
for excellent advice and quality parts to suite.
You can contact me via www.hometechinstalls.com.au

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Stan:

If anyone would like information regarding the availability of Patch Leads and suitable External Antennae for the Virgin Broadband service, please contact Stan at: admin@mikotechnology.com.au for current pricing and advice.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sean:

I tried to get this product from Virgin today, but without joy as it is not avaliable within parts of the Gold Coast area. Does anyone know of anything like this Virgin deal within the Gold Coast area?

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Paul:

Virgin's customer support has become a shambles, with waiting times for any customer support enquiry now averaging over 2 hours on hold, with same upto 4 hour waiting on hold.

Also most 1300 numbers cannot be dialed from the new service.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Fed up:

I was one of the first adopters with this, and had no problem initially. Then I had one day when the modem kept dropping off the network after a couple of seconds, or not connecting at all. The next day it worked. I have now had 3 days in a row where the modem simply will not connect to the HDSPA network, or drops off it even if it does connect for a couple of seconds. I cannot get through to the Virgin helpline, just spend 20 minutes listening to canned messages telling me how important my call is, and have sent 4 separate emails to their support address asking for assistance with no response to any of them. I am not happy and about the only satisfactory thing is that I can return it free of charge because I am still within the 30 day trial period.

29 February 2008, 8:31 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John from Pine Rivers:

I was one of the 1st to apply for this service.when I connected the modem,following the instructions,worked instantly then after a few days we had some dropouts but after re seting the modem,all working fine.Interestingly even when we had problems with the broadband,the home phone service worked ok.Now Virgin offering me 60 Days to send the modem back and cancell the service if not happy,but as I have waited so long for this kind of ISP I would not cancell this wonderful service.we are far out North of Brisbane and the Map of the service showing a borderline area,but we geting a good reception.If there is a problem try to reset your modem,and be patient,think twice before cancelling out

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

aworld4peace:

after long and tiresome reseach i finaly went for the virgin 3 g. I spent hours on the phone because the modem could not connect even to the speed of dial up. Spent 60min on hold and and then 30 min being told to try this and that but it failed to deliver in any way. it was very fustrating. Its not like were in the sticks, houses all around get ADSL. We are on a hill and in the open, a tower should get us. We went back to dial up because its faster and box the gimmic to send it back. win some loose some, virgin was crap and the service on hold time was hours. the service rates as shit. What a waste of time! if they boast the service, they should check signal strength before sending it out. oh and part of the technical advice was to turn the modem around 90 degrees and hold it near a window. It also sent out a signal that was picked up on my amplifier, like a modem phone, only much more tenacious. A real piss of. Such a let down for my whole family who waited keenly for the big day.

29 February 2008, 8:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

I went through this performance also, until finally they sent me a new modem and the problem was fixed immediately

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

care to share how you managed to get port forwarding working. For the life of me I can't make it work.

I know you did a screen grab of the port forwarding page in the modem console but did you actually confirm that the port was open and your bit torrent client could establish communications through it?

thanks for any info you can provide.


29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Holyindian:

Try portforwarding.com

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rich:

try this forum, I had trouble too, but this worked:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=819663&r=12966930#r12966930

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

After raving about this product a month ago, last week it just stopped working. It cannot find the signal, but it will send to my laptop. It also means I have no landline as there is no network. I spent an hour on the phone to them and they couldnt get it to work. I said that I was having to use my mobile as I had no landline and the tecchie said that you shouldnt use it to replace the landline, but you should have a telstra line as well. Which is totally against the way they are marketing this product.
They are sending me a new modem and sim card, but I am very close to sending it back! I will have about 2 weeks to make up my mind.

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

The new one arrived today and it is working again! Glad to know it wasnt me mucking up. And I am able to get it to work at a location 20 kilometers away from the original location.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael Yeo:

Hi Carol, I've only had my modem a week and already frustrated with the dropouts so could you tell me where I send the modem back to please.

Regards
Michael

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Carol:

Hi Michael
You will need to ring up Customer service; they will try to fix it over the phone, and then when nothing works, they will agree to send you a new one. That will arrive within 5 working days; then they give you a parcel post pack that will be collected by a courier.


29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

bm:

currently i have foxtel running via my phone line, is it possible to connect it through the modem along with my phone and work ok?

29 February 2008, 8:32 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jacob Sikais:

From what I understand, tests haven't been conducted with the Foxtel service.

If using the cable foxtel service and ordering movies, then you can no longer purchase through the remote, and would have to pick up the phone to make an order.

For foxtel running through a telephone line... not too sure???

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

brainco:

Now that this product have been around for a while, I wonder if we're still experiencing problems with the connections. I'm about to sign up for this, and are a little skeptical after reading the posts here about the dropouts, etc.

29 February 2008, 8:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

also wary:

brainco did you end up signing up? If so, how's it working for you? I'm concerned because i don't need another problem to deal with and i'm not the best with technology.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rrob:

I have been with virginbroadband now for 3 months . I have spent many times trying to get help from them & like everyone else have spent more than an hour waiting & then finally when someone did respond they told me they could not help sort the problem . I was lucky enough to take my computer to work & the IT dept got it up & running. Everything ran smoothly for the next few weeks but then the dropouts started . I would be talking on the phone & low & behold i would be cut off . Further more i started to have problems with connecting to the internet . If i had the option of a refund or was told i could cancel my contract now i would take that option but i still have 21 months to pay for . I will try to stick it out for at least another 3 months but hey after that if things dont improve i will take the loss & move on .

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

KGall:

I have been with Virgin Broadband for a while and i am having difficulty getting it working (without any help from Virgin - no response to emails and impossible wait times when calling them)

Everytime I restart my PC I get a "limited or no connectivity". The only way i can access the internet again is to shut down the modem for 5 minutes and reboot (clearly not very convenient).

Has anyone overcome a similar issue?

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

APC administrator:

I think it's a problem if you're in marginal coverage. Have you tried popping the SIM out and back in again as an alternative to rebooting the modem fully?

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mark:

I can't comment about the broadband service, but you're not wrong about their customer service. I ported my mobile phone from Telstra to Virgin and had to wait 4 weeks for the number to be ported (their website quotes 3-5 days). I waited in their queues for up to 30 minutes each time and all emails were answered with a generic response to say someone would get back to me. Of course they never did. I had to go to the Ombudsman for assistance. So in respopnse to the queries about how do they do it for the price...just be careful for what you pay for.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

GH:

If the service is not 'fit for purpose' which means if it does not work as it should, you are entitled to cancel without penalty. Just contact the telecommunications ombudsman in your state and they will record a complaint for you and Virgin should then let you cancel. I did this for a mobile phone out of warranty but still under contract when it had a problem. Initially the company told me no warranty left=no free fix, but after lodging the complaint with the ombudsman I got a replacement phone and no more questions asked. The phone has to work if you are being held to a contract, same as in your case.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Annoyed Steve:

VB worked fine for me right up till the point where I ported my number over. After my number ported (that took 2 months) the big problems started.

1. slow download and Upload speeds
2. poor ping rates (999ms+ speedtest.net)
3. unable to make outgoing phone calls.
4. unable to make calls to home phone.
5. phone drop puts when talking.
6. piss poor tech support.

The only way I have a home phone now is by removing the sim card from the modem and placing it in a spare mobile phone I had. I now have to use the mobile phone as like a portable phone for indoor use only. The VB tech support team got pissed at me for doing this but I told them that you are unable to fix my phone and internet and with a disabled child in the house and an 8 week old new bubs I NEED A PHONE. For some reason the phone service works when sim card is on mobile but in modem it will not work. Even with brand new modem that I got the other day I have the same problem.

The problem has now been hand balled to optus to see if they can fix it. VB has given me no time frame for when this will be fixed no nothing not even a sorry for the inconvenience.

All in all when the product worked for about 8 weeks I thought it was great. After the first lot of problems the service and product is now piss poor and would not wish it on my enemies.

I will give them a week to resolve my issue and if they can't I am going to try and get out of the contract and change over to IINET naked ADSL2+ for the same price as what VB home deal is.

Annoyed Steve




29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mandy:

I suggest everyone with problems and have been waiting for more than 3 weeks for a response go straight to the ombudsman. We signed up in Oct'07 and still have not had our phone number ported over and are paying for Telstra and these losers. If we get our Telstra disconnected we lose our phone number. I don't won't the VB number. Yes waiting for almost 2 hours then being hung up at 10.30pm because it is 11pm in the eastern states. Now the problem apparently with the porting of numbers was the initials weren't exactly the same on the application form, their system doesn't except full first names, and now apparently it is an industry problem. What a load of bullocks. Tomorrow I am writing a letter to Richard and have a real hot go because this is just unacceptable. Everyone I meet now and chat about VB, I say do not even think about it. Now I wonder how their business will be gong after the 2 year contract is up. Hope it just falls in a huge hole.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Western Australia:

I have constant phone drop outs even after 5 minutes on the phone. Ring the virgin support center and get cut off after 10 minutes and have to ring back and get in the que at a cost of 25c/call.

When my number was ported my service was disconnected for 3 days till they could figure out what went wrong and I still got charged for that 3 days downtime, oh thats right the broadband is FREE so that can go down as long as they like and you still have to pay full price. Remember the internet side is free!"

I get what sounds like line crackle on some connections.

I get strange messages when ringing certain numbers like my bank NAB which is a 13 number. The message is either "the mobile number you are calling is out of range or simular or I get a message you are unable to connect to this service at this time"

The support staff though friendly keep saying there is nothing wrong with my service and they can see nothing wrong at their end.

Wish I had never signed up with virgin broadband at home as it has been one headache after another with no end in sight.

Buyer beware of this service and hope you are not like me and have problems because if you do your problems will last for months and like mine will probably never get resolved. I may have to just leave them and pay them the $15 a month early leaving fee till my contract is up and go with another phone and ISP. At least myself and my family will be able to make calls and use the internet trouble free.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Joan:

After reading feedback on this site from
existing users of VB I am having serious second thoughts about signing up. One thing I noticed is that they do not provide an e-mail account. Can anyone advise me why and is the only way around this is to use a hotmail account? Thanks
Joan

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Annoyed Steve:

Hi Joan

Yes they do provide you with an email addy or at least they did 5 months ago when I first joined. If they don't now it would not surprise me in the least.

will look like this EG:
Joan@virginbroadband.com.au

With the problems VB are creating for themselves and poor service provided I suggest using a different provider. There are better providers out there that give the same service of free local and national calls, over twice the amount of downloads and 48 times faster download speed all for the same price. Shop round and you will see what I am saying.

Good luck





29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom:

Beggers cant be .... I signed up with VBB, unable to get ADSL, and all the other options, local radio etc would not work. So delighted when VBB opened on the qld sunshine coast area 3 months ago. Happy to install an antenna, Virgin suggested rfshop in Brisbane - www.rfshop.com.au - they posted out a suitable panel antenna, I now get 3 bars solid on the modem. Phone always good. I asked for phone forwarding, and Virgin gave me the RC208 install instruction. So I get free forwarding to my Virgin mobile. BUT, broadband very patchy, fast and solid some days, slow and drops connections constantly on others. Just pressing the right button to disconnect/connect usually fixes it, but it's a pain. If I lived in a capital city I'd be unhappy, but as the only option, and a phone bill that is half what it used to be + free BB it'll do.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Annoyed Steve:

After weeks of excuses and botched attempts by VB to try and fix my problems they relented yesterday and decided to break the contract and let me out with no charges and no ongoing $15/month penalty fee.

I am glad to be away from this cancer on the telecommunications indusrty and will never be going back no matter what bugs they fix or what offers they bring out. I am just pissed that I had to diconnect my land line and now have to go through the hassle of arranging with a new provider (IInet naked ADSL2) to conenct me.

Virgin Broadband I hope your company rots in the telecommunications hell for what poor service you have provided.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kimbopumpkin:

I'm moving into a new place in the Newcastle area and don't have a phone line connected there as yet and came across the virgin broadband @ home but it seems like there is nothing positive to say - does anyone have anything GOOD to say about virgin broadband (after being with them for at least 3 months+)? Is there anyone else offering a similar service ie. internet without a landline as I've been waiting for this concept for ages!

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anthony:

I have been with Virgin broadband at home since they started 5 or 6 months ago and I agree with the comments people are making about them. There is nothing good to say about VB I am just upset that I am stuck in a 2 year contract and being provided rubbish service. I am in the process of going through the telecommunications ombudsman to get out of this contract.

To make things worse as well the problems only get worse the longer you are with them.

If this service was a food group the food would be rotton and fly blown.

Anthony

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

WA John:

kim

IInet has one that is cheaper and uses VOIP.

I hear Optus has a package though a little more pricy.

I hear AMnet has or is starting a naked deal simular to IInets.

Most providers are getting on the naked bandwagon now and are understanding that people do not want to pay line rental. Check them all out as within the next 6 months to stay in the game ALL providers will have to be able to offer some deal or suffer.

I went IInet naked home for 69.95 and get unlimited local, national calls as well as 10 gigs peak and 20 gigs off peak at ADSL2+ speeds. Their plans START at 49.95

I USE to be with Virgin broadband and was glad to see the back of them. What the above people are saying appears to be happening with many of their customers not just a few disgruntled x customers.

WA John

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Cazbear:

IInet Naked deals.

Yep cheaper than Virginbroadbands 2 gig limit LOL

Naked Home 1 ADSL2+ speeds 2GB + 2GB $49.95
Naked Home 2 ADSL2+ speeds 3GB + 6GB $59.95
Naked Home 3 ADSL2+ speeds 10GB + 20GB $69.95
Naked Home 4 ADSL2+ speeds 15GB + 30GB $79.95
Naked Home 5 ADSL2+ speeds 30GB + 60GB $89.95
Naked Home 6 ADSL2+ speeds 65GB + 65GB $119.95

My service is poor with Virgins internet deal so I may just pay the 15 dollars/month and give them the flick.

Hope IInet is more reliable than virgins sad effort. Good find John thanks for the ISP tip

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kimbopumpkin:

Bugger! I'd forgot I'd posted on this site & in the meantime have just ordered & received Virgin's Broadband@Home - so far all is working, only I'm not getting broadband speeds according to the modem - more like dial-up speeds. Not sure that I want to be stuck doing that for 2yrs!

Thanks for the info on iiNet - just checked it and unfortunately it's not available where I live (double bugger!) Looks like I'll just have to settle for the usual line rental + broadband... I usually opt for the cheapest telstra line which is around $20 though I've noticed an interesting clause in the fineprint saying that you "must not acquire a broadband service from another service provider which is provided using line sharing technology". Surely they can't prevent you from doing this if that's what you choose?? It's bad enough their call rates are higher than the standard $30/month! What do people think?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jam:

I've been using it for about a month now. We had to go buy the dish to get better than dialup speeds but now it's at top speed all the time.
Even with the modem set to be connected all the time (not just when active), it still drops out. Some days are worse than others. I don't mind so much that I get disconnected during a call as I can call them right back for free. It's still saving me over $1000 a year by not having a landline and separate internet connection fee.
I've given up trying to contact their helpdesk. I've had 2 cordless batteries go dead waiting for them once.
Dispite these 2 issues, I'm happy with it.




29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kazza1 (New user):

My virgin broadband drops out all the time, can anyone recommend an antenna and where to get it please??

10 April 2008, 6:23 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

"Bobcat" (New user):

Try The RF Shop @ Oxley ( Brisbane ), 19 Db gain Antenna cost $200 odd, BUT I did it I went from 3 bars to 5 bars, an still the system is CRAP...Bobcat...

20 September 2008, 12:37 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Baz (New user):

Great info.Thanks. My old Telstra F4100 cordless phone is mucho crappy in clarity on the Virgin setup.
Can you recommend a suitable phone to plug into the modem?
Thank you

17 April 2008, 11:17 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ddowler (New user):

Gday guys. Am thinking of joining Virgin Wireless and phone bundle, only question I have is what do they really mean by FAir Play Policy? Is there a dollar value given on phone calls??

18 April 2008, 9:06 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dean blond (New user):

Have the virgin broadband and tried xbox live but it wouldn't work. New at this and dont know y?

21 April 2008, 11:55 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Amanda15 (New user):

I'm wrapped with this service so far. Only one glitch was that the Optus Network blocks port 25 so I couldn't send any email. Virgin don't support Entourage and didn't know about the port 25 issue, but fortunately my web site host is a wiz and he told me to just change the outgoing port to 26 in my email account. I also thought it was pretty pathetic that Virgin don't support Entourage as it's fairly popular and similar in setup to Outlook and Mac Email.

Reception is WAY better than my Telstra landline and considering the many issues I've had with them (service down for days at a time at least 4 times in the past year) I will happily disconnect from them!

30 July 2008, 2:43 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Amanda15 (New user):

I'm wrapped with this service so far. Only one glitch I found (and ended up having to solve on my own) was that the Optus Network blocks port 25 so I couldn't send any email! Virgin's tech team don't support Entourage and didn't know about the port 25 issue ... and with a certain amount of attitude from their call centre they told me the issue was with my email host; I guess their "support" staff are not trained too well.
Fortunately my web site hostie is a guru and he told me to just change the outgoing port to 26 in my email account. It is pretty pathetic that Virgin don't support Entourage as it's fairly popular and similar in setup to Outlook and Mac Email.

Reception is WAY better than my Telstra landline and considering the many issues I've had with them (service down for days at a time at least 4 times in the past year) I will happily disconnect from them!

30 July 2008, 2:56 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Amanda15 (New user):

I'm wrapped with this service so far. Only one glitch was that the Optus Network blocks port 25 so I couldn't send any email. Virgin don't support Entourage and didn't know about the port 25 issue, but fortunately my web site host is a wiz and he told me to just change the outgoing port to 26 in my email account. I also thought it was pretty pathetic that Virgin don't support Entourage as it's fairly popular and similar in setup to Outlook and Mac Email.

Reception is WAY better than my Telstra landline and considering the many issues I've had with them (service down for days at a time at least 4 times in the past year) I will happily disconnect from them!

30 July 2008, 3:43 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mic.mac.hack (New user):

I have virginbroadband at home but have found the service really crappy. In north balgowlah the internet cuts out you get messages like "all lines to the area are busy" when you try calling in and frankly it's a piece of absoloute crap. We have tryed many of virgin's suggestions and nothing will make it any better.

DO NOT BUY THIS SERVICE IF YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WITHOUT FANTASTIC MOBILE COVERAGE!!!! BUYER BEWARE!

09 August 2008, 6:14 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

interested (New user):

25/08/09 I've just finished reading this report about the Virgin Home broadband phone modem. There is mention of it being used at two different locations. On the current web pages for it, it says that it is registered to work only at one address. I am looking at a unit to use as a mobile modem as well as a satic inhouse unit. I rang Virgin on their help line and was told that it would not work away from my house. Comments would be appreciated. Their deal looks pretty good even if it is on the Optus network!

25 August 2009, 11:02 AM (2 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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