BREAKING: Internet filter to go live… without iiNet or Optus

Dan Warne
11 February 2009, 5:45 PM


Australia's second and third largest ISPs, Optus and iiNet, won't be included in the government's internet filter test upon its launch.


“The Government is committed to take an evidence-based approach to implementing its cyber-safety policy and these trials will provide valuable information to inform our approach,” Senator Conroy said.

“The government is well-aware of technical concerns about ISP filtering and that is why we are conducting a pilot, to put these claims to the test.”

However, it seems Conroy isn't interested in testing the filtering system in the highest traffic ISPs, at least when the filtering pilot launches.

Optus had said it would only participate in a limited scale trial of the system -- blocking a blacklist of URLs supplied by the government, but not the more comprehensive opt-in porn filter that the government also wanted ISPs to test.

iiNet said it would only participate in the trial to prove that centralised internet filtering wouldn't work.

Senator Conroy's office confirmed that the six ISPs would be Primus, Tech 2U, Webshield, OMNIconnect, Netforce and Highway 1. Only Primus has more than a metaphorical handful of customers compared to the largest ISPs in the industry, and WebShield is an ISP that already filters its customers' connections as a selling point.



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the website of Tech2U, one of the ISPs the Australian Government has chosen to base its internet filter testing results on.

Conroy said testing with each ISP would take place for a minimum six weeks once filtering equipment has been obtained and installed. It will look at the efficiency and effectiveness of a range of technical solutions, as well as other issues such as the ease of circumvention, impact on internet speeds and user experience.
 
The Senator appeared defensive about the controversial filtering scheme, which has drawn overwhelming criticism from the Australian electorate. “ISP filtering is no silver bullet and the Government is implementing a comprehensive set of measures to combat online threats,” he said.
 
When asked if iiNet was excluded from the trial because it stated that it simply wanted to show that the scheme wouldn't work, a spokesman for Senator Conroy said, "Is that a serious question? The first phase of the Government’s Internet Service Provider (ISP) Filtering Live Pilot will begin with an initial six ISPs. Arrangements for the first phase of the live pilot have been finalised with six ISPs while consultations continue with a number of other ISPs that have applied to take part.”

When asked by APC whether the government saw any problem with running a scientific trial in which the test ISPs were chopped and changed throughout the test period, the spokesman responded:

"As we've explained previously, in December ISPs made applications to take part in the live pilot, detailing the extent of their involvement, the technical approach they would take and other matters. These applications have necessarily required evaluation and consultation before participation is finalised. This has taken longer with some than others."

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a2h (New user):

Always get the best results as possible before the bad ones. Humph.

11 February 2009, 5:53 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

FostWare (New user):

Highway 1 is a WA based ISP that caters to WA and local government departments already... so no surprises there. I also wouldn't be surprised if Conroy may have "implied" that it was a requirement for future government contracts.

11 February 2009, 7:30 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Wow... Super effective and scientific testing going on there... What with 5 out of 6 ISPs being so small and half-arsed in the first place that they won't even notice a change.

Let's hope the filters fall apart or the tiny ISPs don't know how to set them up right.

11 February 2009, 8:04 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

No_Filter (New user):

So a perfectly reasonable and simple question as to why Iinet has been excluded from the trial is arrogantly dismissed with a flippant and disrespectful retort "Is that a serious question?". Yes it is, as are the thousands and thousands of stubbornly unanswered questions about the technical, practical and moral ambiguities in this pointless, wasteful, futile exercise.

11 February 2009, 8:07 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

I wrote to the prick and asked piles of questions. Just got back a form letter not answering any of them.
Before that, I would have never called him anything other than his real name on a public forum. But he chose to ignore my genuine interest and concern, so in my book, that makes him a prick and a bastard.

11 February 2009, 8:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Justdoit (New user):

Hi Tin, please publish your list of questions so more of us can also ask the same questions of these f..wits...cheers..Don

11 February 2009, 11:18 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Tin:
I wrote to the prick and asked piles of questions. Just got back a form letter not answering any of them.Before that, I would have never called him anything other than his real name on a public forum.

I could have saved you a stamp, after watching his performance as shadow communications minister, it was clear the guy was a prick of the highest order. His performance as minister has simply reinforced that assertion!






12 February 2009, 12:17 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

djsflynn (APC staff):

Wow - Tech2U looks _so_ cutting edge – I'm switching to them from Internode right away!

11 February 2009, 9:31 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rjsquires (New user):

Quoting djsflynn:
Wow - Tech2U looks _so_ cutting edge – I'm switching to them from Internode right away!

Haha Very Funny!!! :P

Seriously though the Federal Government should SCRAP THIS PROJECT and donate the money to the Victorian Bushfires.

Otherwise history will repeat itself. If the LABOR Government don't scrap filtering it will cost THEM the next election... :)

I mean just look at Workchoices: Another very unpopular policy which cost the Liberals the last election!!! :(

11 February 2009, 11:18 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Is this what they meant by roll-out of a National Broadband Network?

Half way through an effective term of government, (not that you say any of the governance was effective) and no signs yet of this national broadband network all the young idealists voted for. The chances of any real progress let alone delivery within the next 18 months are less than the chance of a camel winning the next Melbourne cup.
Toobox of the 21st century, that's turning into an underdone netbook that will never be delivered anyway. The one thing that is certain is that Conroy will be remembered as the "Tool of the 21st Century".



At Least I can honestly say I didn't vote for this. Governance by rhetoric, who'd have thought a population could have been so gullible?

12 February 2009, 12:10 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (New user):

Our country continues to lead the world - backwards! Apart from Primus I 've never heard of the rest. Do those ISPs even have any customers? They wouldn't happen to be owned by conservative religious types who would ban sites with Donald Duck because he wears no pants would they?

12 February 2009, 2:00 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

hvar (New user):

Any idea what internode's stand on this is? I just got my connection today and it would suck if they were up for it.

12 February 2009, 11:50 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

rjsquires (New user):

Quoting hvar:
Replying to
hvar Any idea what internode's stand on this is? I just got my connection today and it would suck if they were up for it.

I also have a Broadband Service with Internode, and doubt we have anything to worry about:


Not so long ago, Senator Conroy tried to silence Mark Newton, a Network Engineer from Internode.


It is also well known that Simon Hackett, (founder of Internode) is strongly against the Australian Labour Party’s Broadband policies.




18 February 2009, 10:39 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MattY (New user):

interesting they drop iinet and optus huh! if they were that confident about the success of the filter they would have accepted iinet and optus's application to participate.. nice one Conroy! Now you've got a bunch of here one day gone the next ISP's that you can sugar coat results with. What a winner!

12 February 2009, 12:37 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting MattY:
Now you've got a bunch of here one day gone the next ISP's that you can sugar coat results with.





I think it's worse than that... Given the low profile of these ISPs, it would be safe to assume they are mostly used by very low volume users, most of which would be unlikely to notice a speed drop. I would dare say they were selected purposely to reduce the likelihood of complaints, thus showing it will all be fine.

12 February 2009, 2:03 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Truckasauras (New user):

Quoting MattY:
if they were that confident about the success of the filter they would have accepted iinet and optus's application to participate..

Absolutely true. So it is a case of head in the sand and stupidity on behalf of Conroy (funny I actually mis-typed Control the first time, how ironic), and the DBCDE.

12 February 2009, 2:32 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

OK, I just read this on the whirlpool article's comments.... Turns out that only 3 of the 6 actually provide residential ADSL.

The other 3 consist of 2 business only ISPs and an IT consulting company that ISN'T EVEN AN ISP!!!!

12 February 2009, 2:33 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michael J (User):

Why the hell don't they just give-up on the filter! it's not even going to work, the f$@*!#^ retards!!!

12 February 2009, 7:36 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

Why on earth we have a government bully hell bent on a spending spree to justify the so called "Net Security".
This is an smoke curtain to distract the people from the real needs of this country.
Its time these bunch of clowns go back home and let real knowledgeable people do a better job of managing the interests of the Australian people.
All we have now is a lot of ignorant unionists turned politicians to ruin the dreams and hopes of the nation.
IT stands for Information Technology, all related to the computing, but these morons got it wrong, they use the Office of Misinformation, trying to dupe Australians and the World with stupid excuses; Australia will become the laughing stock.
This situation is very pathetic!

12 February 2009, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Steve Johnson (New user):

Wednesday 11th February I called the Ministers Office to ask a few questions and was referred to his “Media Liaison” Tim Marshall. As with all phone calls these days we were both well aware that the call may be recorded for training and coaching purposes. (Got to love that standard line)


Really this guy should be called Mr Conroys own filter. One question from ten was answered and mostly all the responses from this guy were for me to provide my email to him.

Welcome to Australia, 1943. Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JES_9aVMrr8 And Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmQfm0TXAYg

14 February 2009, 7:50 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

greangreanly (New user):

greangreanly@gamil.com

i need a breaking filter internet

thank you

28 November 2009, 10:55 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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