Internet filter stuff-up cuts off Wikipedia

Angus Kidman08 December 2008, 8:54 PM

Want proof that internet filters can have dire unexpected consequences? Look no further than the UK, where Wikipedia has been filtered out by mistake.


Want proof that Internet blacklists can have an impact much wider than expected? Look no further than the UK, where an attempt to block just one image resulted in people being unable to edit the popular online encyclopedia Wikipedia.

The Wikimedia Foundation, which funds the popular reference site, was forced to respond after it became clear that a single article about a 1976 heavy metal album by the Scorpions, Virgin Killer (note: NSFW link), had been placed on the blacklist maintained by the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF), with unexpectedly broad consequences.

The article was blocked because it contained a copy of the controversial original cover art, which features a naked prepubescent girl. Using the IWF blocking list is not compulsory, but it has been almost universally adopted by most UK ISPs offering home Internet access.

In the assessment of the IWF, the image was "potentially illegal", although it remains accessible on numerous other sites. "We believe it's worth noting that the image is currently visible on Amazon, where the album can be freely purchased by UK residents," the Wikimedia Foundation's general counsel Mike Godwin noted. Wikipedia also noted that the article included a discussion of the controversy surrounding the image.

In any event, the decision had a much broader impact than just blocking that particular article. Anonymous editing of Wikipedia articles has also become impossible because of the way the block is implemented. "Once Wikipedia was added to the IWF blacklist, access to Wikipedia through participating UK-based ISPs began being routed through a transparent proxy server, which means that different internet users in the UK could then no longer be distinguished from each other by IP address," explains a Q&A document on the site. "As a consequence of all UK visitors now appearing indistinguishable to Wikipedia, Wikipedia's protective mechanisms against abusive editing are inevitably triggered, and all UK visitors from blacklist-affected ISPs are indiscriminately unable to edit Wikipedia."

Registered users can make edits, but one of Wikipedia's core principles is that registration is not required to edit most articles. Some UK Wikipedia users have also referred to performance problems accessing the site.

Broadband minister Senator Stephen Conroy has referred to the UK experience when talking about the importance of establishing a blacklist, though its optional nature hasn't come up for reference quite as often. Hopefully ruining Wikipedia is another element he won't be looking to replicate too closely.


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Tin (Senior Forumologist):

Now all we need is some similarly huge cock up during the Australian trial. One massive cock up is all we need to have it abandoned entirely.

08 December 2008, 11:09 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Tin:
Now all we need is some similarly huge cock up during the Australian trial. One massive cock up is all we need to have it abandoned entirely.

If ISP's were to simply enter the phrases "decisive action", "war on", "working families" and " the leader of the opposition said" into blacklists then the government will have scuttled this whole silly Internet filter idea within hours.



08 December 2008, 11:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pmx (User):

Oh please .. "dire consequences"
Dire consequence no.1 - "Can't access nudie pic of 12 year old"
Dire consequence no.2 - "Can't perform anonymous edits of wikipedia"
The sky is falling.


09 December 2008, 8:21 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

You miss the point yet again. The point isn't that these are the 2 problems. The point is that this sort of thing happens. Imagine if it happened to a banking site for some reason.

Oh, and since you still think the filtering is a brilliant idea, I suggest you go and get a job at DET NSW. Spend 2 weeks attempting to do work with the filter screwing up every 2nd day, then come back and tell us how you feel about filtering.

09 December 2008, 9:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pmx (User):

Nearly every place I've worked, since 1996, has had an internet filter of one form or another. You deal with it and move on.

The internet / ISP's / websites fail all the time .. its hardly critical infrastructure.

Gosh if a banking website got blocked .. I don't know what I'd do .. I might have to go to the bank .. or use phone banking even .. oh no .. civilization will crumble if we're forced back to those medieval times.


10 December 2008, 2:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting pmx:
Nearly every place I've worked, since 1996, has had an internet filter of one form or another.

That could account for much of your insular and myopic viewpoint.


Quoting pmx:
You deal with it and move on.

The say way we deal with the other manic demands of puritanical ratbags who see fit to tell us how to live our lives.


Quoting pmx:
The internet / ISP's / websites fail all the time .

They do? mine doesn't, it rarely suffers down time, I, like many others, suffer a financial penalty whenever those connection are not maintained. Do you see that as trivial?


Quoting pmx:
Gosh if a banking website got blocked .. I don't know what I'd do .. I might have to go to the bank ..

And if a oil refinery failed you'd brew your own. If electricity generation failed you'd use candles right? Your argument expresses ignorance of the implications and a total misunderstanding of the potential implications.


Quoting pmx:
.. civilization will crumble if we're forced back to those medieval times.

Which is just what, religious zealots, puritanical nut-cases, environmentally ignorant do-gooders and other raving mad men are calling for. If you want Internet censorship then censor your own connection, or rip it from the wall, but stay the hell away from mine and everyone else's.


11 December 2008, 9:20 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

derekj (New user):

filterting should be completely optional.. the point is being missed.. simply trying to blcok people from accessing the materials doesnt stop the persons/parties from using other means of distrubiting the material they desire. instead they need to and must set up and internation net force, and have their own server farms and catch these people and place them in jail. then and only then will you have a chance of hitting the problem.. as for porn, well make it optional... if you want filtering here is a special modem and router to stop kids, with each person having to login and verify themselves or not.. but it should be optionl.

10 December 2008, 5:47 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

alhutchings (New user):

Internet filtering software is everywhere though.It even comes free with Windows aka their Software + Services crap. Why would the goverment use a "commercial" product to use instead creating their own filter that they can control? Besides a special modem and router combo wouldnt be required with the correct software.

I too, agree with you. Filtering should be optional and no doubt the readers of at least APC would possess the brain cells to dodge the filters in some way or another.

11 December 2008, 7:31 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting alhutchings:
Why would the government use a "commercial" product to use instead creating their own filter that they can control?

Who can determine the WHY with government.

Why would a government put time towards an issue that didn't exist, while avoiding real issues that still remain unsolved?

Why would a government appoint a technically incapable union hack as their CTO?

Why would a government spend half it's accumulated surplus on a Christmas spend fest, whilst investing nothing to encourage commercial investment or home grown technological start ups?

Why would a government renig on signed contracts for a wide ranged Internet delivery system and yet dither around indefinitely on a mostly unspecified fibre system which will never adequately service that sector?

Why would a government even attempt to be designing a system which would be supplied at no cost to them via private enterprise the moment a single vendor stranglehold was removed from last mile connections?

Why would a government accept a late, non compliant, and incomplete bid for its NBN proposal and then seriously consider it as an option?

There are lots of whys with government, and there is no way any of them can be explained with logic or common sense.


11 December 2008, 9:06 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

derekj (New user):

fairly simple.. if all modems and routers were program with say the 1300 illegal sites then they wont happen.. :) and if these same 1300 sites were hiden in routers.. well that will eliminate alot of problems and no slow downs...

11 December 2008, 10:39 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

pmx (User):


I've worked a lot with people who design and build roads. Ever hear of They don't have all those Federally Funded Blackspot road improvement projects for fun. A lot of time and money is spent to ensure that the roads are safe to use. The RTA is accountable. Myopic and insular ? Pot .. kettle .. black !

Oil refining, electricty generation .. both critical infrastructure. Internet access .. not so much. Bear in mind proposal in not to turn internet off .. just restrict access to illegal content.

A couple of weeks ago, Sunday afternoon. The power circuits in my house started tripping because of an earth leakage problem. I couldn't keep the fridge running. I had to get an emergency electrical service out to fix the power or everything in the freezer would have defrosted. $350 for about a hours work. If I lost my internet connection .. I'm pretty sure I could have lasted till Monday, Tuesday even .. gosh maybe even longer. Its not critical infrastructure.



17 December 2008, 3:46 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting pmx:
I've worked a lot with people who design and build roads.

I know someone who drives a race car, and another bloke who is an excellent carpenter. what's your building roads go to do with unwanted Internet filtering?

Quoting pmx:
Ever hear of They don't have all those Federally Funded Blackspot road improvement projects for fun.

Is that like the black-spot on Southern cross drive, where they installed a camera, and then a drive in McDonalds? I don't want to see the Internet stifled by the expensive bungling of government and the RTA.



Quoting pmx:
A lot of time and money is spent to ensure that the roads are safe to use.

Your a crack-up, if you believe that I wonder if you'd interested in purchasing a bridge I have for sale.


Quoting pmx:
The RTA is accountable. Myopic and insular ?

Your defeating your own argument now.


Quoting pmx:
Oil refining, electricty generation .. both critical infrastructure. Internet access .. not so much

It is for my business. So you can stick your filtering ideas where the sun don't shine.


Quoting pmx:
Bear in mind proposal in not to turn internet off .. just restrict access to illegal content.

And should I also keep in mind you ignorance of just how much negative impact any form of mass filter would have.


Quoting pmx:
I had to get an emergency electrical service out to fix the power or everything in the freezer would have defrosted. $350 for about a hours work.

No $350 to cover the work, travel too and from, licensing and permits, overtime? Would you go out of your way to do work on a Sunday? What the hell did you expect?


Quoting pmx:
If I lost my internet connection .. I'm pretty sure I could have lasted till Monday, Tuesday even .. gosh maybe even longer

Well maybe you could get by for a few hour without checking up on the Fred Nile website. But just because your usage is trivial does not mean everyone else is in the same position. For myself and for thousands of other businesses, downtime and speed restrictions cost money.





Quoting pmx:
Its not critical infrastructure.

Well then I encourage you to disconnect save your money and leave the bandwidth for those with a clue. No amount of your ranting or pointless references to tradesman or roads goes anyway towards justifying attempts to implement an unnecesary and unworkable filter proposal, that no-one, short of a few nut-jobs, wants or needs.


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