Is Apple really the world's biggest-selling PC vendor?

Peter Dockrill
31 January 2012, 4:07 PM


Market watcher Canalys has determined Apple has overtaken HP as the world's leading PC client vendor - but admits that including tablets in its count is a "controversial" practice.


Analyst firm Canalys overnight released its numbers for 2011's global PC market Q4 results, uncovering this unprecedented bombshell: Apple has stormed past HP to become what the group calls the leading worldwide client PC vendor. But the catch is this: Canalys includes tablet sales in its definition of what a 'client PC' is, whereas a conventional PC vendor analysis would usually only consider desktop and notebooks as PCs.



According to a report from Barron's, Canalys' principal analyst admitted the inclusion of what the firm calls 'pads' in the count might be deemed "controversial" but defended the thinking behind the method, saying: "We do see it as one big market of mobile computing. These tablets are not just about consumption any more, people can do much more with them than when they first appeared. The application breadth has increased and they are being used more and more as business tools."

And you know what? He's right. Every day we're seeing greater innovation and full-bodied 'PC-style' functionality in all manner of tablet apps -- across iOS, Android and other platforms -- and the release of a tablet-tailored Windows 8, expected before the end of the year, is sure to blur the boundaries of the conventional categories even further. While it's arguably a stretch to unilaterally include tablet sales in PC sales figures today given the prevalance of the conventional approach (and doing so has certainly garnered Canalys its share of publicity), if so many people are picking up tablets in place of 'traditional' PC purchases, isn't it time our notion of what a PC can actually be was itself challenged?



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Auscam Online (New user):

In that case include phones as well. It's like including esky sales in total refrigerator numbers.

31 January 2012, 4:35 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Exactly! Or counting ride on toy cars in total car sales figures.
Tablets (any brand, any OS) are not serious or full PC replacements.

31 January 2012, 7:48 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (Senior Forumologist):

would that really make a difference?

Do HP sell phone's anymore? maybe that'll puch SONY up the ranks if nothing else.


31 January 2012, 10:36 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

Apple has never been a best selling computer maker nor a good choice for everyone.
It has been overpriced, difficult to upgrade and not so friendly as the IBM compatible brands.
Apple has a bullish attitude towards it's competitors.
It has never been an innovative company, it seized the spotlight to deceive the would be users into a mindset to portray a false superiority; whereas the IBM compatible machines can be customized individually by the user

02 February 2012, 12:32 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Halcon:
Apple has never been a best selling computer maker nor a good choice for everyone.

Oh good! The unbiased and objective opinionator is back.



02 February 2012, 6:53 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

petert (Cornerstone member):

@Halcon
Seriously? Is that the best that you can do? Bill Gates recently described Steve Jobs as an innovative genius. You've really no idea, have you. Perhaps it would be best for you to limit your discussion to your uneducated school friends and wait until you are an adult before you engage in adult conversations.

02 February 2012, 8:06 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting petert:
Bill Gates recently described Steve Jobs as an innovative genius.


Yes - he did. Of course Steve Jobs had recently died, and well, hopefully APC lets me post a Youtube link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GJ4j9h0tL8

02 February 2012, 10:12 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Tin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GJ4j9h0tL8

Never found the Chasers that funny.
Maybe if one of them had been taken out by a rooftop sniper at the summit, we would not have been subjected to more crappy episodes (But that's just my opinion)




02 February 2012, 10:24 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Never found the Chasers that funny.

+1

02 February 2012, 10:33 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Halcon:
Apple has a bullish attitude towards it's competitors.

Hilarious! ............. I thought this ranting was eradicated when Raindog decided he was too busy with his Fortune 500 clients.
Hang on ........................ You ARE Raindog, aren't you.



02 February 2012, 10:31 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

The poisonous gang is still here.
When I try to give my point of view, you compare me with Raindog.
Seems to me you have a deep hatred to him.
I will jog your memory, when Steve Jobs were alive, he was ill, someone posted a comment saying he was suffering from AIDS, this was not funny, but you lot did not say nothing.
Apple has been meddling with Samsung, Nokia and many other companies, plagiarising the technology from some and incorporating on its line of products, now you think that is fair?
Apple profits have skyrocket due to the ability to misled people with advertising.
As I said, Apple has never and will not be an innovative company, just a robber of ideas from others.


05 February 2012, 9:08 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Don't worry - they entirely missed the point of the video I posted too, which of course was that good things were said about Steve Jobs AFTER he died... A very common thing to happen, especially with famous people.

I think the real issue is that Apple just blinds their users to reality and does a good job of it.

05 February 2012, 12:04 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Tin:
they entirely missed the point
That's why Raindog and his pal up here get lambasted. They are presumptious enough to think for others. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but please don't think you are the voice of the masses ...... or at least me.

And no, I get the video. I just don't think the Chasers are that funny.


Quoting Tin:
and does a good job of it.
Yep, they sure do.
I am not a fan of the Apple either, but I can surely appreciate their marketing department.

Ranting by the likes of Halcon are just childish.



06 February 2012, 10:51 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Halcon:
The poisonous gang is still here
............ HILARIOUS

Quoting Halcon:
Seems to me you have a deep hatred to him.
Not hate, but pity.

Quoting Halcon:
now you think that is fair?
Fair? According to who?
They are a company. Their job is to MAKE money.
Everyone copies and improves on others ideas. That is how the human race has got this far.
Now before you post next time, have a good think first, and maybe the poisonous gang will leave you alone.

06 February 2012, 10:58 AM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Not hate, but pity


What hypocrisy! you and your fellow comrades have been bullies.

Quoting Your Average Joe:
According to who?


So you have appointed yourself an specialist or doctorate in the matter? think twice when posting something that have relevance.

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Now before you post next time, have a good think first, and maybe the poisonous gang will leave you alone.


Sounds like treating a little child, Why not you mind your language.
or perhaps, YOU are behaving like a child due to your lost childhood and dreaming it would come back by using the peanuts character as your representation image, How deluded you are!
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, so my argument for this topic is valid.
If you want to make a contribution state facts, not propagandistic assumptions, you sound like a PR working for Apple too.

07 February 2012, 1:06 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Halcon:
Sounds like treating a little child, Why not you mind your language.

Here is another tip, improve your grammar too.

Quoting Halcon:
due to your lost childhood and dreaming it would come back by using the peanuts character as your representation image,

............ HILARIOUS

You are fitting into Raindog's shoes perfectly.



07 February 2012, 1:25 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Apple is absolutely correct to add its iPad (and all tablets, in general).
Tablets fit the criteria of 'PC' better than any device.
And if I wanted to do 'work' on my PC, I would do it at work on the work PC ......... Where I'm being PAID to do it.
I'll use MY PC (Tablet) for fun and leisure thanks.


02 February 2012, 6:56 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Tablets fit the criteria of 'PC' better than any device

aggreed, PC, Personal Computer. doesn't have to be that big box in the corner beside that boxy monitor anymore.

But i do draw the line @ Smart phones. i was being sarcastic above.

02 February 2012, 9:31 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Halcon (User):

To all the misguided fans of Steve Jobs, Here is proof why Apple can't be the world biggest maker.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/fbi-files-show-it-investigated-steve-jobs-reality-distortion-field/story-e6frfro0-1226267364353
or go Here:
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2012/02/09/fbi-releases-file-on-apples-steve-jobs/
Now you see it!
Gotcha!

10 February 2012, 1:54 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (Senior Forumologist):

ok, i think the point of this discusion isn't how wack jobs was, but what classes as a Personal Computer.

IF you dont class tablets and smart phones as PC's, then no, Apple wont be on top of sales.

I WOULD class a tablet a PC, and apple would have to have sold more tablet units than any other company.

AND you can't lump ALL Android tablets as one thing. Sure Android sales might be rivaling ipad sales, but how many tablets are actually made by Google?

DELL, HP, Acer, Sony... they are pretty much the only other companys that make computers. Asus, gigabyte, msi... these are all computer PARTS manufactors. parts.

like i said before, i draw the line at smart phones. Not because the aren't computers, cos really, they are, (These things are more powerful than many personal computers 5-6yrs ago), but counting a phone in one of these polls is just stupid.

10 February 2012, 4:41 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting ss-rotel:
Asus, gigabyte, msi... these are all computer PARTS manufactors. parts.


Actually, Asus makes full systems too. And servers. And I think we all know they make full size and tiny laptops.
And MSI do laptops. Not sure about Gigabyte.


Quoting ss-rotel:
but counting a phone in one of these polls is just stupid.


Yet tablets are OK? Especially since we're talking iPads - the iPhone is the same - same OS, same CPU, same flash sizes, same app set (excluding the very small number that don't work on both screen sizes).

10 February 2012, 10:39 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Halcon:
Gotcha!

It's not a competition and it's not about you against the world.

Comment on the story posted by APC and take out your personal hatred of Apple, MS .... and anyone else for that matter, and you will find your comments will be valid and more tolerable.

Look up the word 'objective' in the dictionary and add some constructive criticism if you have to. But don't just 'hate' everyone.

Now, do you think tablets and smartphones should be considered as PC's?




10 February 2012, 8:15 PM (3 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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