Is it all over for HD-DVD?

Dan Warne22 January 2008, 4:26 AM

Sony is in the final stretch of killing HD-DVD, offering free Blu-ray playing PlayStation 3s with certain TVs, while Toshiba slashed the price of HD-DVD players today by 50%.


Massive price drops have marked the beginning of the end for HD-DVD, with Toshiba slashing prices by 50% today.

But Sony, maker of the competing Blu-ray format, is making a concerted effort to ensure the swift death of HD-DVD by offering free Blu-ray-playing PlayStation 3s with certain models of Bravia TV.

Toshiba's HD-DVD pricing is now as follows:

  • HD-E1: was $599, now $299 with four free movies
  • HD-EP10: was $799, now $399 with six free movies
  • HD-XE1: was $1299, now $599 with 11 free movies.

Sharp-eyed readers will notice that the XE1's 11 free movies are worth about $400 alone, so you could theoretically snag a top-of-the-line HD-DVD player for about $200 under Toshiba's new pricing.

Toshiba's HD-DVD players will also upscale your standard DVDs to "near high-definition"quality when you play them back via an HDMI connection, which is a bonus for people who already have HDTVs.

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Unfortunately, with most movie studios having announced they will produce movies exclusively for Blu-ray in the future, it seems unlikely that Toshiba's price cuts will win many customers.

One exception, perhaps is people who happen to need a new DVD player anyway and figure they may as well replace it with a cheap HD-DVD player and enjoy a few free movies, even if they can't buy many high-def movies in the future.

Currently, the only studios that are still committed to producing HD-DVD movies are Universal and Paramount, but the largest producer of home videos, Warner, switched its allegiance to Blu-ray on the eve of the international tech tradeshow, CES Las Vegas. The other studios lined up behind Blu-ray are a formidable barrier for the HD-DVD camp to overcome, including Sony, Fox, MGM, Disney and Lions Gate.

Sony is obviously keen to keep the momentum going to the finish line, offering free PlayStation 3s with Bravia XBR, X and W TVs.

However, even Blu-ray is not yet a clear choice for consumers, as initially produced players may not be able to access special features of Blu-ray movies yet to be released.

Early Blu-ray players were only capable of playing the Blu-ray 1.0 specification, however, the newer 1.1 profile requires secondary audio and video hardware decoders as well as 256MB of storage in the player for content. The future 2.0 profile needs an additional set of hardware decoders (bringing the total up to two video and two audio decoders) for picture-in-picture functionality, along with 1GB of storage for content.

The PS3 is widely regarded as the best Blu-ray player available because of the ease of upgrading its firmware to cope with new Blu-ray movie features, but consumers may still hold off on buying other home theatre Blu-ray players until they are fully Blu-ray 2.0 compliant.


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Me:

As an entertainment retailer.
My advice (if anyone's interested) is to wait 12 months.
Blu-ray will be cheaper and people will say "What's HD-DVD ?"

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me:

PS. Looks like Sony will finally recoup their losses from the Beta Video going the way of the Dodo !

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous123456:

Actually Sony made a lot of money from Beta Videos

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Vico:

Ive always been into blueray..(specs are better then HD-DVD)...and even microsft supports HD-DVD which means its gotta be bad... :P (btw im not an apple fan)

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

randy:

How is it better? They both display 1920X1080p. Storage isn't an issue cause you don't need that much storage for any movie or 7.1 audio systems. Even if storage was an issue HD DVD's now have discs that even beat blu-ray by 1g of storage space. I keep hearing how it is so much better, but no one says how it is better. If content is an issue then go try to watch 300 on your Bluray system. Content will go to whatever market WE create. Sure companies will side with blu-ray cause it's encryption hasn't been easily cracked... yet. Is that better for us or them? If we decided the market then they will all come back onboard. You guys act like they can't go back to HD DVD.

Conclusion: They are the same technologies, but one is almost half the price. You can also make a backup much easier on HD DVD. I see people even watch sunrise earth on HD just to enjoy the clarity so honestly content doesn't matter right now. Plus, there are plenty of movies by universal and wb. However, I'm personally hoping for download content and hope this all goes by the wayside.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

RD:

Why wont you news people print the truth about what is really going on with the two format, with respect to consumers getting value for their money.

All of the news reports seem to be in the pockets of Sony and The Tome Warner empire.

Sure initially lots of $499 and $399 PS3's were sold to the top of economic scale part of society, and sure maybe they each bought a few BluRay discs to test the new system, so initial sales were high.

But for the remainding 239 million people or so in USA, lower price HD-DVD is a better choice, at $149 maybe then they can save the rest to finally afford an HD TV to use it with.

Lower prices will always sell more, plain and simple, go back to economics class if you don't agree.

Free market competition is what we stand for. Let the masses decide, not the early adaptors!

Plus, HD-DVD is a cheaper disc to manufacture, so who cares if Warner doesn't sell it's movies on it, since when pornos finally become available from small independant manufactures that's when you'll see sales take off, like it did for the internet and vhs rentals.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BootneckWarrior:

Actually if you kept up with the news you would realize that the major porno companys have sided with blue ray so HD-DVD has lost on that one too

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

randy:

Going by that outrageous theory we will be downloading HD content and won't be buying it on disc anymore.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

David Flynn:

Bloody oath! I am starting to get concerned about this Blu-ray 1.1, Blu-ray 2.0 thing -- the inevitable creeping spec set , and the need to upgrade firmware, which thus makes one reliant on vendors to produce updates (hopefully free, but maybe they'll charge for them) to upgrade older models... maybe after a while, once Blu-ray is as common and cheap as standard DVD decks are today, they'll simply stop offering upgrades to older Blu-ray players in the hope that customers will eventually 'have' to buy a new deck to get all theĀ  goodness of Blu-ray 8.0 or whatever...


29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

queque:

All the old BD players will still play the movie, I myself couldn't give two shits about picture in picture, I just wanna watch the movie with out interuptions, different strokes for differnt folks.

Blu-Ray movies
http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-6vmj-71-13a-49-en-84-k-40-extended.html

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous34563456:

I agree. will sony once it wins the war then charge later on to upgrade? maybe, maybe not.
But what has me is the B/ray 1.0 then 1.1 then 1.2 then 1.3 and 2.0 etc. From what i read theres is a computability problems like hdmi 1.0 and 1.1/1.2 or what ever its up to.
Is this something to look forward to? TVs with hdmi 1.0 not working with a hdmi 1.1 or B/ray 1.0 not working with b/ray 1.2 etc.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rod:

You will not be able to firmware upgrade non-Profile 2.0 Blu ray players (with the exception of the PS3)
According to IMDB these exclusive companies have the US distribution rights to the following number of movies:

Some facts:
This info is from one of the Forums:

Universal - 5331
Paramount - 5753
DreamWorks - 95
Weinstein - 183

Total: 11362 films

20th Century Fox - 755
Sony Pictures - 419
Disney Buena Vista - 727

Summary:
Blu-ray has greater bandwidth, but it might not be needed
Blu-ray and HD DVD are equal in terms of video quality
Blu-ray and HD DVD are equal in terms of audio quality
Blu-ray has region control, while HD DVD is region-free
Blu-ray has more DRM than HD DVD
HD DVD has better interactivity than Blu-ray
Blu-ray has greater number of studios
Blu-ray has stronger sales

Studio Support:

MGM - 3639
Columbia/Tri Star - 4323
Warner Brothers - 4623

Total: 14783 films

Grand Total of all movies from these companies: 26145

Potential HD DVD titles 11362/ potential Blu-ray titles 26145 = 43%

This means that HD DVD has 43% of all catalog titles available for potential release on it's format.


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dab:

What a ridiculously biased article. Why does slashing prices of HD-DVD by 50% mark the "beginning of the end" ?? It will simply boost sales and bring the players below the threshold which has kept many people away.

Go back to writing high school essays.



29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Glasnost:

Well, actually the article does go on to say that Warner recently switched allegiances to Blu-ray and I've read elsewhere that they have 20% of that market, so that's a lot. I note that the 50% price reduction part is at the beginning of the article. Did you read the rest? High School essays are an excellent way of improving one's writing, by the way, as well as one's written comprehension. Did you manage to read this far?

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Finally!

Despite being on the side of HD-DVD (mostly because I don't like Sony), it's good to see the race coming to an end. And once the confusion and the "BetaMax Fear" have subsided, prices should start dropping.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymouse:

rubbish!! once there is no competition, why would prices drop?


29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Nevets:

What an idiot! What do you mean "Once there is no competition"?

DVD players were $1000+ when 1st released now, with competition between the DVD player manufacturers, you can buy a cheapie for $40.

Exactly the same thing will happen with whatever HD format wins the fight.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shrike:

If they give me a PS3 to replace my Xbox 360 HDDVD drive then they've got a deal, assuming the movies don't come with hidden "features" like rootkits that is. F**k sony.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

g:

is anyone else amazed by how Sony managed to win this format war? Releasing a console with built-in Blu-Ray basically created a Blu-Ray loyalist out of every PS3 owner. The movie studios were bought over pretty easily as well. I guess that was helped by Sony owning Sony Picture, MGM, Columbia, Tristar, Screen Gems as well as other studios. So by Blu-Ray succeeding, PS3 wins more and Microsoft and Toshiba look like complete morons :D

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymouse:

again (just like VHS vs Beta) it looks like its not going to be the better format winning out.

the specs may look similar on paper, but with Blu-Ray constantly changing itself and it's overly restrictive regional settings, the consumer is set to be the ultimate loser in this "war".

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

I'm glad the war is over.

I'm not glad that Blu-ray has won.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin:


Better format won.Four times more capacity.
HD is/was rubbish and Microsoft suck.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

No:

Save your Microsoft bashing for another area please.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Sonyarecunts:

In fact, currently, the capacity stands at HD-DVD 51Gb (no commercial software yet avaialable on this triple layer disc)v BluRay 50Gb (no commercial software yet available on this dual layer disc). They claim to be 'working on' a quad 100Gb disc, but since they don't actually have a 'working' 50Gb disc, that sounds like more vapourware. When I did maths 50 (actually 25) was not 4 times more than 51. And as much as Microsoft may suck they dont hold a candle to Sony.

29 February 2008, 8:50 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mrdeux:

I was interested in HD whilst there was still a chance of Sony being the loser, but not now. Quite honestly it's a technology I can live without. Over the top DRM and zoning (which is a huge blight).

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

stefcep:

Content is king, not technology. People buy players to watch movies on. I have 400 DVD's. I will not buy them again just to see the pores on an actor's skin on a close-up. I can rent tens of thousands others on DVD and I guarantee every new release for at least the next decade will be available on DVD because of the installed user base. I have seen both Blueray and HD-DVD on 1080p screens and at my viewing distance of 4.5 meters on 106cm plasma, theres bugger-all difference between DVD and HD-DVD/Blueray. It may matter if you have a projector with a 2-3 meter screen size, but otherwise both HD-DVD and Blueray will not replace DVD for a long,long time.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kasjun:

i fail to see the advantage of blu-ray. being an owner of both i would have to give the nod to hd-dvd. they are far advanced in their players and movie features. plus now my blu-ray players is prone to skips. just looks to me that hd-dvd has their act together. now with this new pricing it just looks more obvious to me that hd-dvd is the way to go for the long haul.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

kasjun:

i fail to see the advantage of blu-ray. being an owner of both i would have to give the nod to hd-dvd. they are far advanced in their players and movie features. plus now my blu-ray players is prone to skips. just looks to me that hd-dvd has their act together. now with this new pricing it just looks more obvious to me that hd-dvd is the way to go for the long haul.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

I BE Anonymous:

I reckon blu-ray will win,


Fact is that it does fit more,


so that it can fit the 1080p movie plus special features or whatever on one disc,


while with HD-DVD you have to put the 1080p movie on one disc and the special stuff on another, or if you want to put it all on one disc, normal def movie (not 1080p) with special features.


I also want to say, yeah they are bring the HD-DVD on a dual layer disc make to bigger in storage than the blu-ray, but I also know that they are bring a Quad-Layer disc to blu-ray making it store up too 100gb of storage. (Don't really know why, but more power to the people or whatever.)


And the thing about the HD-DVD being cheaper and value for money, I think getting PS3 that watches movies, plays games, and steam media from my PC to the PS3 worth my money. Plus when I go to buy a blu-ray it normal can cost just as much as a normal DVD.


Last thing, Who cares if they haven't crack the Format yet, if they did, people continue downloading movies, sharing music and downloading that new series that just came out. It's not like just because Blu-ray format was cracked, people just start to go "Hey you know what, lets start putting this new 300 movie online so that people can watch it illegally." Last time I checked that happened a long time ago.


(P.S) I am look pass the picture, not just what it shows me,

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous3333ecrdf:

does that mean the HD-dvd xbox360 will die

i hope it will

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