Kogan promises a Linux Netbook by the end of March

Alex Kidman23 February 2009, 4:53 PM

The outspoken Aussie tech maverick speaks out on Netbooks, general marketing and eBay.


Ruslan Kogan is, it's arguably fair to say, something of a tech geek, and has been for some time. When you open a conference presentation with the statement that "one of the best days of my life was upgrading to 1MB of ram so I could run Windows 3.1", it's pretty hard to argue anything different.

At the same time, it's undeniable that he also draws out strong opinion, as the responses to our "Wanna design your own Netbook" story last week proved. He's also not likely to be on Gerry Harvey's Christmas card list any time soon.

I sat down with Ruslan Kogan at the MediaConnect Kickstart Conference in Queensland today to discuss Netbooks, building in China and what the future holds for his upstart and brash company.

First, the Netbook. The consultation period, it would appear is, over, and Kogan's overflowing with potential specs. The model that he'll be taking orders for "in two to two and a half weeks" will sell for $529-$539 "or thereabouts -- as long as the dollar doesn't move much."

That $529-$539 will buy you a 10 inch screen, Intel Atom Processor, 160GB hard drive and in a move likely to endear him to the open source community, Linux. "We're not going to pursue Windows licensing at the moment; it will be Linux. Which flavour of Linux we'll used is being tested at the moment."

Kogan admits he's a big fan of Linux, and that the decision to adopt it was driven by feedback on the Kogan blog. "I was happy that people don't mind having Linux on their laptop. It seems that the wider market is starting to not be as scared of it as it was a couple of years ago."

The Netbook will ship with only 1GB of RAM, and while it will be user-upgradeable to 2GB, Kogan doesn't see a pressing reason why you should need to. "If you're going to want to install and multi-task lots of applications, then a Netbook probably isn't for you."

Battery life is always a key component of any netbook, and Kogan is still evaluating exactly what to do in this sphere. "We could offer a 6-cell battery, but there are compromises in terms of overall cost and weight to be made there". It seems most likely that it'll come with a four-cell battery, but he's still evaluating the best options.  He expects to be shipping units by the end of March, as the production on netbooks is, he claims "very quick. Production (in China) for something like this - 10,000 units would take less than one day."

On the overall technology selling market, Kogan also remains optimistic and upbeat. "We've gone from being a 4 million dollar company last year to a 20 million dollar company this year. We see brands like Hitachi and Fujitsu dropping out of the (LCD TV) market. It's not because of lack of demand. They're dropping out due to archaic business models. People are becoming price educated. The $950 government grant will make the demand for LCD TVs skyrocket. Conventional retail cannot compete."

Amongst other projects also on Kogan's current list are OLED TVs ("within two to three months"), and Blu-Ray 2.0 compatible player with the same region-free ability as his current model. He does admit that the pace with which his products move and progress is somewhat limited by the work of the larger brands - "We're always going trail behind the big companies."

Kogan also has some fame (or infamy) for the use of eBay, although Ruslan admits he's not as keen on the online marketplace as he used to be. "eBay used to be very. important. It used to be a very free, laissez-faire marketplace." but "now eBay's decided it's going to be the government, and control everything. It's more expensive for sellers, and buyers aren't getting good value for money.".

Despite claiming to be "eBay's largest seller in Australia", he says that volumes of product shipped through eBay are only "around 10% of our total sales". Kogan's rather direct sales tactic (of .99c, no reserve auctions) has bitten him sometimes -- he admits that some of this was down to "experimentation", such as "whether people would bid on an auction that finished in the middle of the Grand Final" -- but he's never actually sold a TV for a dollar. "We have sold some units with a cost price of around $1400 for around $800, though." He also notes that it's garnered him some interesting bidding information, with the fiercest bidding on his products not coming in the evening (as he'd expected), but around 2-4pm each afternoon. "People are sitting in their work offices, bidding on my televisions!".

Alex Kidman travelled to MediaConnect Kickstart09 as a guest of MediaConnect.


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Aubrey (Advanced member):

"I was happy that people don't mind having Linux on their laptop. It seems that the wider market is starting to not be as scared of it as it was a couple of years ago."

I hope he is not assuming that the feedback on his blog made up a representative sample. As keen as I am on Linux in general and on netbooks in particular, I still find it hard to imagine that the market is so far advanced. Choice of distro - and Desktop Environment / configuration - will be critical for uptake. ASUS and Acer got away with quite crappy installations because of the novelty factor and a collective rush of blood by Linux fanboys (guilty). There are some exciting developments happening in Linux right now that will drive it onto netbooks over the next year or so, but none of that will mature by March, so I hope Kogan has some good developers on board.

23 February 2009, 5:33 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

plutonium210 (Advanced member):

Quoting Aubrey:
so I hope Kogan has some good developers on board.

They are flat out getting the Agora to market !




23 February 2009, 5:48 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting plutonium210:
They are flat out getting the Agora to market !

And you know this how exactly? And while your explaining that perhaps you can show how experiences with one product are supposedly creating backlogs with other products?





23 February 2009, 7:18 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Warne (Administrator):

I think you might have missed the humour/sarcasm in his comment :-)

24 February 2009, 12:16 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Dan Warne:
I think you might have missed the humour/sarcasm in his comment

Where is the humour in a cheap shot based on "it's not apple, so it must be crap"? Sarcasm is generally regarded as the lowest form of wit, and its doubtful such a comment even rates that highly.

Kogan bashing appears to be the new punk sport, whilst far from a fan myself, I still see interest in what Kogan is trying to achieve, and see merit in his responding to numerous pleas for a Linux netbook. Only time will tell what is delivered and whether it is a commercial success.

24 February 2009, 12:53 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (User):

Quoting Raindog:
"it's not apple, so it must be crap"?


When did he say that?

24 February 2009, 11:15 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (Regular user):

Quoting Dan Warne:
think you might have missed the humour/sarcasm in his comment :-)

LOL !!!
Better rewrite the T&C Dan !
And include "only people with a sense of humour may post"
Serious IT gurus move to the APC Dev Forum for 'professionals' !




24 February 2009, 9:27 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Better rewrite the T&C Dan !

Inserting a paragraph stating clearly that this is a forum for general comments (humour included) on the tech news of the day. And that anyone that considers this too frivolous has the option to move to the 'pro' forum.

....... Because some people just take themselves way too seriously ;-)

24 February 2009, 9:39 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
Because some people just take themselves way too seriously

you mean the kind of people who demand T&Cs are revised, or those that and demand users not subscribing to a particular view be silenced or removed?

Yes some take themselves far too seriously and hold a very misguided belief in their own importance.


24 February 2009, 11:38 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
And you know this how exactly?

We have all gone through this before !
There is still no requirement in the T&C that requires comments be substantiated by any proof !
And it is up to Dan & Co. to decide whether they are appropriate or not !
But I think Dan is right here :)




24 February 2009, 9:43 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
We have all gone through this before !

And no one has ever come up with a valid reason why it is wrong to question a statement or ask for substantiation!


Quoting CBR1100XX:
There is still no requirement in the T&C that requires comments be substantiated by any proof !

True but than in no way diminishes the validity of any request for substantiation.


Quoting CBR1100XX:
And it is up to Dan & Co. to decide whether they are appropriate or not !

Yes it's APC's forum. perhaps you should take a look at exactly who is trying to tell APC how their forum should be run. One of your partners in crime above is regularly requesting people should be removed whenever it suits his cause. It it you, not me demanding revisions to terms and conditions.

I'm Happy to use the report abuse facility provided to flag attention to the umpires. How do you see that being outside the scope of fair play or in breach of any T&C.



Quoting CBR1100XX:
But I think Dan is right here

Your entitled to think that, just as I am entitled to agree or disagree with your suggestion. When you suggest your thought are representative of others I am entitled to ask for substantiation, simple really.


24 February 2009, 11:28 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Cornerstone member):

Quoting Raindog:
I am entitled to ask for substantiation,

You can ask ..................................




24 February 2009, 1:12 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
You can ask ..

Indeed I a can and the choice of offering substantiation is yours, and its the choice of every reader whether to dismiss or accept any claims you cannot substantiate. Debate 101.

Why any call for substantiation should result in childish tantrums is still a mystery, but all too often it has been the result of such requests.


24 February 2009, 1:43 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Alex'd (New user):

Seriously, give it a rest.

22 March 2009, 6:00 PM (12 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

shrike (User):

With no Windows license and only 1GB of RAM I would have hoped for a better price than $539

23 February 2009, 7:35 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Senior Forumologist):

I agree. Though Windows licenses do only cost a few dollars for some of those OEMs. Especially to those OEMs who specifically said Windows didn't make sense on that hardware ;-)

23 February 2009, 10:25 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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