Lenovo rails against discreet graphics in notebooks: too power hungry

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David Flynn23 May 2007, 11:17 AM

Battery technology can't keep up with the ever-increasing power demands of laptops, and Lenovo reckons that discreet graphics processors such as those from ATI and Nvidia are partly to blame.


Water cooling: embedded graphics use far less power, says Lenovo. (What the guy is doing in a tank of water with a laptop, we're still unclear on.)Water cooling: embedded graphics use far less power, says Lenovo. (What the guy is doing in a tank of water with a laptop, we're still unclear on.)
So your notebook PC still can't get anywhere near the ‘all day battery life' that we're constantly being told is just a few years away? Don't blame the laptop manufacturer. Don't blame Intel, AMD or even Microsoft, says Lenovo. It's everything else in your notebook, and especially discrete graphics cards, which are the roadblocks for road warriors.

"Battery capacity is increasing by around 5% per year, but the power demands of systems are increasing by 25% per year" says Matthew Kohut, Lenovo's resident ‘worldwide competitive analyst'.

"Intel and AMD are doing a great job with their processors, but the graphics card vendors haven't kept up" Kohut claims. "They're packing in more functionality and more transistors, and those transistors need to be powered, which takes a lot of electricity. In some cases graphics chips in high-end desktops have more transistors and draw more power than the CPU and as we've seen, what starts in the desktop eventually gets trickled down into notebooks at some point".

All that graphics grunt, Kohut explains, comes with a significant cost. "What we're finding with our own benchmarking is that (on a notebook) with discrete graphics you could lose an hour to an hour and a half of battery life compared to integrated graphics. Now for people who need that graphics power, that's worth the trade-off. But for your average (notebook user) it makes no sense".

Despite the fact that Lenovo offers graphics cards as options on all of its notebooks bar the smallest sub-notes and tablets, Kohut told apcmag.com that he recommends most notebook buyers skip on the graphics card and stock up on RAM. Really stock up.

"We recommend 2GB for Vista" says Kohut. "For most people it just doesn't make sense to spend the money on a dedicated graphics chip. Buy a new (Santa Rosa) notebook with integrated graphics and spend up on memory for your system. That has a much better cost/performance tradeoff."

However, Kohut doesn't lay the laptop's limited battery life solely at the feet of the GPU brigade.

"The displays themselves are getting brighter every year, and it takes more energy to make the display brighter. You've got more devices such as wireless -- Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, now there's 802.11n with multiple transmitters and in some cases 3G, and 3G will suck a battery down pretty quickly.

"There's more memory to power than there ever was before -- instead of 512MB for XP, Vista needs 2GB -- and hard drives themselves are spinning faster, which also takes more energy. That's all driving up the power demands of the systems. Processors? Intel and AMD have got that very well in hand, it's everything else that really needs more work."


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William:

Our tests at APC show that several $2,000+ notebooks will only just get through a DVD movie before giving up the ghost, and that's with wireless turned off. Not much fun on a long trip.
However, we've also found that some notebooks with dedicated graphics can manage relatively decent battery times. Usually the card's less powerful, and the screen size is smaller. Tip - if you can, go for entry level dedicated graphics, and a mid sized system with a smaller screen. Of course, turn your wireless of when you don't need it, and monitor your screen brighteness.
Better batteries soon please.

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

x1l3:

Choosing an underpowered, crappy piece of hardware like an integrated graphics card is just what makes me hate laptops. Fix the batteries, fix the power management in the GOOD graphic cards.That is the solution.
Gaming on a laptop with an integrated graphics card - this is just impossible and not needed. Besides that - these cards are just plain JUNK. You know it.
Even if it means that I need to recharge/change batteries very often I still completely prefer to have a real laptop and not some low-quality imitation unable to run anything in a decent way.

29 February 2008, 8:42 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

draken:

I couldn't' agree more- most users just need to explore their options for power management(profiles) and ditch all of the useless services that clog up their OS! I particularly vibe with your last statement- what's the use of a laptop that can't perform?

29 February 2008, 8:43 PM (9 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Contrablue (New user):

"Discreet"? Huh? Is this some kind of porno-hide technology? Or are you talking about a discrete (separate) graphics chip?

David, you really ought to improve your spelling. People who presume to write for the rest of us need to be better writers than the rest of us.

Happy learning, dude.

10 October 2008, 8:42 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

djsflynn (APC staff):

Contrablue: actually, I wasn't the one who wrote and thus mis-spelled that heading (my original heading, looking at my file here, was "Ditch that graphics card’ says Lenovo"). And if you look through the rest of the article you'll see that 'discrete' appears several times and with correct spelling each time.

So at least _this_ time around I can truthfully say "It wasn't me, I didn't do it. I'm innoect of all charges m'lud!".


10 October 2008, 10:05 AM (1 month ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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