Linux not essential to Eee PC success: ASUS

David Braue
14 July 2008, 6:00 AM


Penguin-powered mini notebooks are selling like hotcakes. But will they finally bring Linux into the mainstream? Don’t count on it.


They’re tiny, they’re portable, and they’ve rewritten the rules in the traditionally feature-heavy notebook market. Despite years in which Linux has been ignored by mainstream notebook makers, Linux-based mini-notebook PCs drove a spike in sales during 2007 that suggest the operating system could finally be hitting the mainstream.

Or could it?

Love it or hate it, most of us know how to use Windows to do what we need. That makes the love-to-hate-it operating system a functional baseline for many. And, for all its functional and usability improvements so far, Linux based mini-notebooks are still riddled with everyday usability differences and compatibility issues that could very well sink their chances of long-term success.

Linux made easy?

Designed with a custom tabbed interface that simplifies access to the systems’ key functions, the custom-designed distributions running Asustek’s ASUS-branded Eee PC and its closest rival, the Acer Aspire One, have done wonders in countering the opinion that Linux is an operating system only a die-hard geek could love.

“Linux does a great job and can be customised to work in a certain fashion,” says Henry Lee, Acer’s senior product manager for the Oceanic region. “This makes it very intuitive for new consumers or the younger generation to start using it.”

The devices put the most popular functions – including productivity tools, Skype, Internet radio, and other features – at users’ fingertips. Testing has confirmed they are easy and intuitive, even for primary school students. This is a big score for a product category that grew out of efforts such as OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) and Intel’s Classmate PCs and broader Netbook initiatives for low-cost, portable computing.

While the inclusion of Linux has helped vendors customise their systems and set a sub-$500 price that’s resonating with consumers, those more subtle differences become evident when users take even small steps outside the sandbox the vendors have created.

Adding new applications, for example, is far less intuitive in Linux than in Windows for novices, who will be rightly lulled into a sense of familiarity with the prettied-up menus. Built-in functions for adding applications to the Eee, for one, show a frustratingly sparse selection of options culled from the built-in repository of Eee software maintained by Asustek.

Finding new applications to add requires users to add new repositories, a process that is likely to send curious Linux novices deep into a pit of frustration. Even if they figure out the difference between Multiverse and Universe, and manage to add repositories for Debian and Xandros (on which the Eee’s Linux is based), users overjoyed by the newfound selection of software are likely to throw hands in the air when the software they install fails to work, or even stops the system working properly.

Online forums are replete with warnings not to assume Debian or Xandros software will work on the Eee, and finding out which applications will work and which will not requires extensive Googling. This is not to say that nothing works on the Eee or Aspire One (based on LINPUS Linux Live, a low-footprint distribution based on Fedora) – just that your average Linux novice isn’t going to know how to tell the difference.

Even worse, a single mistake can cripple a system to the point of being unusable. “It’s very, very easy for a careless install to brick your Linux system,” says one hobbyist.

“The little Acers can lead you into hell on earth. I’m still struggling with sound, having had to switch distributions to get wireless to work. To try to cure a trackpad sensitivity issue, I installed Synaptics [trackpad] drivers under OpenSuSE. The machine would start but, because the driver changed an X configuration file, it would not load the graphical desktop. I managed to restore this without re-installing, but it was difficult and very painful.”

Contemplate explaining Synaptic repositories to your parents, or your young children, and the Achilles’ heel of the new devices becomes evident: they work fine as advertised, but any changes are at your own risk. If you recommend one of these units to family or friend, count on spending lots of long nights helping them get the devices set up the right way – and cleaning up the mistakes they’ve made.

White-hot glow

The inclusion of Linux in the Eee helped Asustek push prices for new notebooks to remarkable new lows, making the unit a runaway success: last year, according to IDC, the Eee singlehandedly accounted for nearly 3% of Australian computer purchases.

That’s a significant win for mini-notebooks, a new class of ultra-lightweight devices that didn’t even exist a year ago. These days, the devices are playing a major role in the growth of the PC market: overall sales increased 8.3% between the first quarter of 2007 and the same time this year, and Eee sales boosted ASUS’ local market share from 8.1% in 1Q2007 to 11.8% in 1Q2008, according to IDC’s Quarterly PC Tracker figures.

Without the Eee, that figure would have been closer to 9%, according to Felipe Rego, associate market analyst with IDC Australia, who says the Eee accounted for 2.9% of all notebooks sold in Australia during the quarter.

What is so significant about this figure is not only its scale, but the fact that the Eee is perhaps the first notebook model to enjoy mainstream success without running Microsoft’s ubiquitous Windows XP operating system.

“Asustek definitely created a growth area,” Rego says. “These ultra low-cost PCs are going to be quite niche, and a secondary type of device mainly for children or for browsing the Internet, as opposed to actually producing content. There may be big opportunities in the education space. And from the Linux perspective, it’s creating awareness by saying ‘this is actually easy to use’.”

Importantly, Rego notes, the Eee – which relied on the fact that Linux is free and used relatively low-specification equipment to keep prices under $500 – have been additive to the notebook market, increasing overall sales rather than cannibalising sales of more expensive systems. This implies that many current notebook owners are buying Eees as secondary PCs.

ASUS sold more than 600,000 Eee PCs last year, and is targeting sales of 5 million this year as it expands its product line with models sporting larger screens and Intel’s new low-powered Atom processor. But whether its momentum can continue will be seen as new Atom-based competitors, from rivals including Acer, HP, MSI and Pioneer pushing into the budget end of the notebook market.

Reality sets in

With the momentum is has already gathered, could the Eee beat off its rivals to become the Holy Grail of Linux computing – that killer product that brings Linux into the mainstream?

Don’t bet on it, says Hugo Ortega, principal of Tegatech, a distributor that handles the Eee alongside competing devices such as HP’s 2133 Mini-Note PC and ultra-mobile PCs (UMPCs) that run Windows XP and Vista and range well past the $3000 mark.

“The HP 2133s are outselling the Eee PC 20 to 1,” Ortega says, “and Linux only accounts for probably 20% of Eee PC sales and less than 5% of overall UMPC sales. The fact that there’s a $500 notebook out there is a big plus, but we find most [buyers] are more than happy to use a license in their office to upgrade them to [Windows] XP.”

That the Eee is even selling Linux versions at all is a big coup: previous Linux-based UMPCs, from Chinese manufacturer Beijing Peace East Technology, were offered by Tegatech but ended up being withdrawn after “we had not one phone call on them,” he adds.

Herein lies the vast difference between perception and reality, which seems to be rapidly diluting the value proposition of Linux-based mini notebooks. ASUS and Acer may have overcome some users’ perceptions that Linux is too complicated or esoteric for mainstream use, but mainstream demand has caught up with the units as customers shy away from Linux once again.

Indeed, many manufacturers entering this class of notebook are doing so with Windows-only machines that seem poised to undo the Linux mindshare gains that the Eee made over the past year.

Consumers aren’t the only ones to blame: manufacturers and resellers must reconcile the devices’ low cost (and profit margins) with the often massive support costs that consumer-level devices can incur. Here, again, the reality is that while Windows may not be perfect, it’s much better known than Linux.

Little wonder that Asustek recently revised its distribution strategy, steering Linux-based Eee PCs towards resellers capable of providing more personalised support, while pushing Windows-based Eees into mass-market retailers.

Acer, which continues its commitment to Linux, is likely to take a similar path. “It’s a give and take between simplicity of usage for the masses versus full customisation,” says Lee. “The Linux version is really only to use exactly what is provided, and someone in the know can easily remove what’s been installed. But consumers are accustomed to the Windows environment, and the Windows version will be a stronger player eventually.”

Windows is not, of course, necessarily easier, particularly on low-powered devices on which the infinitely-tweaked Linux is known for running more efficiently. Windows-powered mini-notebooks will need antivirus and other security software to run safely, chewing up precious processor and disk cycles as well as potentially shortening battery life compared with the more frugal and secure Linux.

Windows the gate-crasher

These are minor points, however, compared with the widespread perception that Windows is easier to use than Linux. Although the Eee and its ilk have managed to put Linux in front of a mass-market audience, Microsoft’s determination not to be left out of its space has sparked a massive assault that has quickly changed the dynamics of the market into which the new round of Atom-based devices is being launched.

Indeed, despite the philosophical appeal, faster performance and ease of use that these Linux machines provide, the availability of a Windows alternative may have already started taking its toll as buyers opt for the more familiar option. “The bulk of the requests and requirements we see in the marketplace are for the model with Windows rather than Linux,” Lee admits.

Microsoft’s efforts to push Windows XP into this space, even after it terminated the operating system’s general availability on June 30, are reflected in the fact that XP-based Eee PCs somehow became $50 cheaper than their Linux counterparts. That price disparity has since been eliminated after Asustek bowed to critics who pointed out that the lack of Windows licensing fees – traditionally equivalent to around one-quarter the price of the entire system – should have more than made up for the cost of the expanded onboard storage in the Linux devices.

Even pricing parity, however, may not be enough to save Linux. As market expectations push the low-end machines towards having larger screens, more storage, and faster processors, they will begin to resemble low-end conventional notebooks – potentially diluting the low-cost appeal that has driven their success.

Linux fans, who saw the devices as low-cost and highly portable Linux workstations with a nearly infinite variety of uses, can still buy the Windows devices for the hardware and install Linux on top, but there seems little doubt the mass-market demand Linux-only devices will struggle to maintain itself.

“It’s going to be tough in the long term” for Linux-based mini-notebooks, says IDC’s Rego. “Microsoft will play tough in this space, where there’s a massive presence of Windows. We don’t have expectations yet for Eee sales of XP vs Linux, but Linux definitely needs to create increased awareness. If you go into the mainstream, people just want something easy that they recognise.”


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Me In Oz (User):

To all the Linux fanboys and MS haters who have followed my posts with disdain ! This is my point all along ....... Thanks APC (and Am now waiting for the 'troll' comments and flaming to begin !)
............ I hate to say "I told you so" ......... but !

14 July 2008, 8:05 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
who have followed my posts

????


Quoting Me In Oz:
This is my point all along

Your point ????

So the legions of zombie clickers whipped into a sudden desire to own a toy PC have trouble with anything that doesn't have too many wizards and also have trouble with something that does. Was that the point perhaps?

Any conclusions to be drawn relate to the Eee alone, and given the alternative operating systems were not offered side by side or with identical hardware it will be near impossible to draw any acurate conclusions.

What I am yet to work out is what USEFULL task I could do with an Eee pc if I was drawn to actually want one? The one regular task that comes to mind I can perform far more conveniently with a USB key which requires no battery and fits into a pocket with ease.

So the choice is a far more efficent OS that requires a few clues once beyond the icon clicking, and a still familiar, still bloated stripped down version of an OS that consumes almost the entire resources of the device.

So MIO you protect the honour of your OS of choice for the toy pc to your hearts content.

It may be a bit more of a haul to cart 2Kg odd of Dell to a job site but when I get it there it can actually be used to do something productive with either Nix or XP depending on the task at hand.


Quoting Me In Oz:
I hate to say "I told you so"


I'm sure you do. It would have involved actually telling me something unique or factual. You achieved neither.

14 July 2008, 8:51 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Just one further comment. Could APC please explain the relationship between exposed norks and the Eee mini. Is this subtle marketing or just something to goad the puritans amongst our community.

14 July 2008, 9:09 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Could APC please explain the relationship between exposed norks and the Eee mini.

Here's a possible link: Linux users are 'BOOBS' :)



14 July 2008, 9:25 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
It would have involved actually telling me something unique or factual.


The world doesn't revolve around you. Raindog !
check out the Linux forum on APC and you will see the precedence !
But in summary ....
Linux in all its many forms in NOT ready for the mass market and will never be so as long as there inconsistencies across the distros and as long as each distro can be modded by individuals to suit themselves !
I hope this has clarified my post above, Raindog !


14 July 2008, 9:10 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Linux in all its many forms in NOT ready for the mass market


Call me lame, but since when was Linux considered as main stream? Surely its used for many servers, but as for desktops, it won't be for at least a few years...

However, in the pursuit of providing the wider community with the access of personal computing (such as Computerbank), Linux was chosen as the ideal platform as it avoids hefty licensing fees.

Further to that, the initial idea of the EEE is to also provide affordable laptops, hence linux was chosen as a method of value management to those. However, those who seem to be purchasing these laptops are consumers looking for a second / third computer, rather than first...

14 July 2008, 9:28 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Hemma:
Call me lame, but since when was Linux considered as main stream? Surely its used for many servers, but as for desktops, it won't be for at least a few years...

At least you are one of the very few users that have admitted this !!!



14 July 2008, 10:09 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Linux in all its many forms in NOT ready for the mass market and will never be so as long as there inconsistencies across the distros

aww, does having to think before clicking ruined the whole experience for you? The power of the command line all too much?


Quoting Me In Oz:
as long as each distro can be modded by individuals to suit themselves !

And we couldn't have that could we, you happy clickers know an OS should never tailor to suit the user and should pop up ad-finitum telling you when to click. Individuality? You'd wonder why there'd be a need huh?


Quoting Me In Oz:
I hope this has clarified my post above, Raindog !

Much is been clarified, with each new comment. :>


14 July 2008, 10:09 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jeff (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Linux in all its many forms in NOT ready for the mass market


Linux is not yet ready for the mass market, but it is getting close. Your reasons for it not being ready for the mass market are some of the reasons why Linux is a 'better' OS. The 'inconsistencies' between the distributions allow you to choose the system that is right for you and being able to mod the system yourself ensures that you can have the OS work for you as best it can.

There are really 4 main types of distributions - source based (e.g. gentoo) which will never be suitable for the mass market, slackware based which won't be ready for the mass market until more software is made in the slackware packages and they offer more automated tasks (e.g. auto-mounting usb drives), rpm based (e.g. fedora, mandrivia) mostly these are fairly usable but the biggest problems are slight inconsistencies in the packages and need to have more software made in this format, deb based (e.g. debian, ubuntu) most software is available in this format and there are some small inconsistencies between the debs in different distributions, though 95%+ of package will work.
There are also some general linux issues that need to be fixed as well mainly in the form of automatically detecting and using hardware that is added to the system.

If these issues can be addressed in some way (and these thing are getting better all the time) then the biggest hurdle for linux to become mainstream is its perception. In the past few years I have seen many people starting to use linux - I have even seen people who have never used it before try it (all I did to help was change the repository source so the downloads would be faster) and now they use it in preference to windows since they find it more user friendly.

14 July 2008, 5:49 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Charbax (New user):

Unless Microsoft gives away Windows XP for free and unless Microsoft opens the source code of Windows XP, Microsoft has by definition no chance against the free, open and optimizable Linux OS. Bill Gates left Microsoft cause he knows the days of Windows are counted.

14 July 2008, 9:38 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Don't hold your breath !
Your great great grandchildren will still be using MS Windows !

14 July 2008, 10:11 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Your great great grandchildren will still be using MS Windows !


That is a crack-up! One of your best! And by which informed historical precedence do you base this wildest of predictions?

14 July 2008, 10:27 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
And by which informed historical precedence do you base this wildest of predictions?

Linux was going to take over the world 15 years ago wasn't it ?
Win and mac have gained an evermore increasing market share since !
So where and when will the linux epiphany happen, Raindog ?
I've made my prediction, so lets see how ridiculous yours is !




14 July 2008, 10:46 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Charbax (New user):

Now is the first time in history that you can buy a laptop for less then $200 (see the OLPC XO-1 laptop), at that price, it makes absolutely no sense to pay another $100 for Windows when all that people use most of the time is Firefox to browse the Internet, which works 100% in the same way on Linux as it does on Windows. Also, the only way you can build a $200 laptop is by optimizing it to the maximum, which means optimize every aspect of the OS to make it fit within the minimal processor, ram, power consumption and storage requirements. There is absolutely no way to customize Windows without it being Microsoft doing all the work. It's much easier and faster to simply take the open source Linux OS and optimize it yourself. Time to market is crucial in the cheap laptop market segment. Thus Microsoft has no chance to compete unless they open source Windows XP and they give it away for free.

14 July 2008, 10:53 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Linux was going to take over the world 15 years ago wasn't it ?


I don't know it's your story..


Quoting Me In Oz:
Win and mac have gained an evermore increasing market share since !

They have? Over the last 15 years? Who did they gain that market share from exactly?


Quoting Me In Oz:
So where and when will the linux epiphany happen

Like I said this is your fantasy, best you add the dates to it.


Quoting Me In Oz:
I've made my prediction, so lets see how ridiculous yours is !

I don't make predictions, they serve me no purpose, but hey, I'm a giving kind of guy, I don't mind sparing time to point out the gaping errors in your (ahem) research. :>


14 July 2008, 10:55 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
I don't mind sparing time to point out the gaping errors in your (ahem) research. :>

When did this all become research ? This is all opinion, as are all the posts ! It is APC that have done the 'research' and reporting !




14 July 2008, 11:18 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Charbax (New user):

So far, about 100% of shipped subnotebooks, also called cheap laptops, also called netbooks, also called ULCLPC, also called OLPC laptops are running Linux and about zero of them run Windows or Mac OS. That is the only way that Linux is going to take over the whole PC and laptop markets, that is, if manufacturers ship the actual units with Linux pre-installed. 100% of Asus, Acer, MSI motherboards are going to come with pre-installed superfast instant-booting Linux since that takes up only a couple hundred megabytes on the fast loading memory of such laptops. This is the first time in history that consumer oriented PC and laptop devices ship with pre-installed Linux.

14 July 2008, 11:27 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
This is all opinion

What is? Your contribution? I would argue that much of the participation is well researched. Unreasoned opinion are nothing more than forum graffiti.

One of the strengths of a medium such as APC mag.com is that it allows user input and insight. It allows a diverse range of opinions.

IF you wish to express one-eyed or out there opinion and to make the wildest of claims then it is entirely reasonable that such claims be questioned.


Quoting Me In Oz:
APC that have done the 'research

Indeed! as have many of the correspondents!
So would you be so kind as to explain how Windows will be assured a position of domination two generations from now, particularly given that its flagship OS is totally unsuitable for the Micro Laptops now in market favour? Also noting that another operating system has had to be utilised to allow the Eee PC to meet particular price, performance and usability targets?


15 July 2008, 9:14 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
So would you be so kind as to explain how Windows will be assured a position of domination two generations from now

And how can you explain why you are so sure Windows won't be ?

And it seems I hadn't received news that APC had appointed Raindog moderator and conscience of this forum !




15 July 2008, 12:22 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
And how can you explain why you are so sure Windows won't be ?


The lessons of history aren't about to change, can you quoute a single example of a company that has survived in a competitive market whilst ignoring the wishes of their customers?

Quoting Me In Oz:
And it seems I hadn't received news

Are you using a microsoft mail client? Are you using it correctly? That could be the problem? :>



15 July 2008, 12:39 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Raindog:
The lessons of history aren't about to change, can you quoute a single example of a company that has survived in a competitive market whilst ignoring the wishes of their customers?

depends what your definition of survival is ? ..... decades, centuries ?
MS and ebay and Apple and Ford and GM and Toyota ............. etc ad nauseum (these companies dictate to the market, not the other way around) seem to have done pretty well for themselves :)




15 July 2008, 1:23 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
depends what your definition of survival is ?

Well given you suggested market dominance for generations lets talk of survival on that basis shall we.

Quoting Me In Oz:
MS and ebay and Apple and Ford and GM and Toyota .............

A curious hodge podge of examples you offer.
You quote Apple and yet your previous statement almost precludes that apple could gain an increased market share.
You quote Ebay whose recent dictates too their customers have had a very detrimental effect on their business.
You quote Ford and GM whose delays in adapting to market change has open the way for other maker to attain a large and in some cases predominant market share.



Quoting Me In Oz:
seem to have done pretty well for themselves :)

As had the pin striped leadership of IBM, The subject of many a future prediction. Microsoft's arrogance is not unlike that of IBM who didn't see these microprocessor base PC's being too much of the marketplace.

The Eee and equivalents have already shown that the manufacturers who until recently only considered Microsoft are now seeing a place for Linux and other alternatives. Sales figures of these same devices are proving that customers and potential customers are also becoming much more receptive to alternatives.



15 July 2008, 2:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Raindog:
A curious hodge podge of examples you offer.


Hodge podge (add Telstra to this) it may be, but all relevant to my argument (Even IBM is still dominant in its new role). Let's stick to generational survival then ! ALL of these companies will be around when your grandchildren are grown ups (this is my prediction ..... like it or lump it :)


15 July 2008, 2:30 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
ALL of these companies will be around when your grandchildren are grown ups (this is my prediction ..... like it or lump it :)

I think you may find that you are wrong. MS is pushing people away in droves. I give them 4-5 years before they start to spin out of control, unless they change their ways.

Current MS behaviour is that of a low-IQ 18 year old P-Plater with a lowered V8 Falcodore... "Can't hurt me, cause I'm the best thing since Brock". Some time soon, we'll hear about how they've crashed into an oncoming truck because they were too busy looking at their MP3 player's screen trying to find some song.

15 July 2008, 3:08 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Tin:
I think you may find that you are wrong. MS is pushing people away in droves. I give them 4-5 years before they start to spin out of control, unless they change their ways.

Did you research this tin ...... If not, be carful of raindog's ire ! ;)



15 July 2008, 3:50 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Tin:
I think you may find that you are wrong. MS is pushing people away in droves. I give them 4-5 years

How much research is this opinion founded on Tin ?
Or Raindog will rain his indignant righteousness on you ;)




15 July 2008, 4:06 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Raindog:
What is? Your contribution? I would argue that much of the participation is well researched. Unreasoned opinion are nothing more than forum graffiti.

So all your comments are well researched and have appeared in peer reviewed papers then ?

Chill out raindog ! Not all of us have degrees in IT and Engineering as you seem to have insinuated upon yourself !

Everyone's elses comments are just as valid as yours. Get off your pedestal and show a little tolerance !

Oh and BTW, Linux is not ready for world domination (my opinion backed by absolutely no research) !




15 July 2008, 12:32 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting Your Average Joe:
Not all of us have degrees in IT and Engineering as you seem to have insinuated upon yourself !

insinuated? curious? common sense doesn't require a formal qualification.
Quoting Your Average Joe:
Everyone's elses comments are just as valid as yours.

And stupid comments can expect the derision they deserve. valueless comment such as "all xxxx user are xxxxs" contribute what exactly? It has all the validity of something shouted from a moving school bus.

Quoting Your Average Joe:
(my opinion backed by absolutely no research) !

You said it! :>

Quoting Your Average Joe:
and show a little tolerance !

I that the same tolerance shown in the "all xxxx users are xxxxs" or some other kind of tolerance? Suffering fools gladly was never a strong point of mine.
As for chilling out I couldn't be happier, but thank you for your concern.

15 July 2008, 1:14 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

Quoting Raindog:
Suffering fools gladly was never a strong point of mine.

Must be a bugger every morning staring into that mirror :)




15 July 2008, 1:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Hmmm. Don't remember my VIC20, C64 or Amiga running Windows. I could fire them up to check, but I'm pretty sure they ran non-MS stuff.
And the C64 was one of the world's most popular PC's in it's day.

14 July 2008, 8:59 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

I can't edit anymore apparently, so I'll add this here...
The above is meant to show that MS hasn't been around forever, and some other OSes were popular at another time. MS will collapse one day. All businesses do.
IMO, it's unlikely MS will be able to continue for more than another 20-30 years at their current rate. They are digging their own grave...

14 July 2008, 9:02 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

petert (Advanced Forumologist):

The additional question is when will Apple bring-out an UMPC running OS X?

14 July 2008, 10:36 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Hemma (New user):

Quoting petert:
The additional question is when will Apple bring-out an UMPC running OS X?


They already did that last Friday....hahahaha
But in all seriousness.... i doubt that Apple would go into this market.... because the MBA's purpose would be defeated.... their successful formula (besides the religious organisation and slick designs) is narrowing down the choices for their customers. Less design work, and generates more hype for each of their products.

EEEPC can also run the OSX. I guess you can use that too.

15 July 2008, 12:14 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Hemma:
EEEPC can also run the OSX. I guess you can use that too.


Amusingly, it would probably run better than Windows on it too... And the white Eees already look a little Macish. Stick the big Apple logo sticker on the lid and you'd blend in at the Apple Store :-D

15 July 2008, 10:35 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

subs (New user):

Don't underestimate the effect of running virus scanning software on performance. Also, XP is radically less secure than Vista and the only beast to jump out at you when you open your XP Eee PC lid could be a trojan horse!

14 July 2008, 5:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

subs (New user):

Don't underestimate the effect of running virus scanning software on performance. Also, XP is radically less secure than Vista and the only beast to jump out at you when you open your XP Eee PC lid could be a trojan horse!

14 July 2008, 5:35 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

shortbaldman (New user):

It's all very well to have the EEE-PC 901 released and I suppose Asus will say next that they are discontinuing the 20Gb Linux model because of poor demand. I only want a white 20Gb EEE-PC 901. That's all. Nothing special, really. BUT!! Where the hell can I buy one? The first rule of business is never turn away a paying customer. Seems Asus does not know that. Just try the "where to buy" on the website and it does nothing at all. Try the 'Green Guide': plenty of 12 Gb units, no 20 Gb units.

14 July 2008, 6:03 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

John Kerr (New user):

Everyone is missing the point, the Linux eeePc is great as it is, I would not add anything as it does what I need it to do very well.

It aint broke, don't fix it.

15 July 2008, 5:52 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

sk43 (New user):

A little market research - amazon.com posts sales rankings of its top selling notebooks, including all models of the eee PC and the HP 2133. A few facts:

1. In general, the Linux models of the eee PC outsell the equivalent Windows XP models, even in cases where the feature set and the price are identical.

2. The 2G Surf, which only comes with Linux, is currently ranked 7th.

3. The HP 2133, ranked 11th, 12th, and 21st, does NOT outsell the eee PC (which appears a whopping 10 times in the top 25). The Windows version (Vista) does outsell the Linux version, but the customer reviews all talk about replacing Vista with XP in order to get any useful performance.

One can get an independent measure of the Linux v. Windows popularity by looking at the distribution of posts on forum.eeeuser.com. There are somewhat more posts in the Linux-specific forums than on the Windows side (each side having its own OS-specific problems).

Overall, it appears that when consumers are able to freely choose their OS, Linux holds its own against Windows.

15 July 2008, 10:52 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Snowbat (New user):

Did ASUS actually say that Linux is not essential to Eee PC success or did you make that up? The article quotes folks from Acer, IDC, Tegatech and an unnamed hobbyist but *nothing* from ASUS/Asustek, despite the headline.

Last news I heard from ASUS was that they are planning to ship Express Gate instant-on Linux on all of their motherboards.

http://www.splashtop.com/blog/index.php/2008/05/14/a-million-motherboards-a-month-is-a-good-start/
“In response to great user feedback, our plan is to proliferate Express Gate across our entire motherboard product portfolio, starting with over one million motherboards per month,” says Joe Hsieh, General Manager, ASUS Motherboard Business Unit. “Consumers want to turn their PCs on and off like any other appliance, and Express Gate has made that possible.”

I'm very happy with my EEE running Xandros. The UI is incredibly easy to navigate and it would have been ideal laptop for my mother - unfortunately it wasn't available last year so she ended up with an XP laptop from a tier-1 vendor and I get a constant stream of questions about antivirus updates, warning messages she doesn't understand, and the usual funky behaviour encountered in XP.

16 July 2008, 12:16 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

mo (New user):

Please if you thinking of getting acer aspire one. make sure that you are linux wizard because its not easy to setup .let me tell u some points you should consider .the software updates dont work because of acer restrection .the vodafone internet usb is not working and if you try to install xubuntu the mic dont work its been hell for the last 3 weeks to make it work and its crap it will never work till acer make some changes or recall the aspire one linux.

26 November 2008, 8:47 AM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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