Lots missing in Vista's Media Center

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Nathan Davis22 November 2006, 4:58 AM

Vista has gone gold, technically, but I'd describe the Media Centre features as being a particular shade of brown. Here's are the top 5 features you won't be getting.


I now have my hands on an official RTM copy of Vista Ultimate -- the same code you'll be buying on your Vista PC in January. I've also been playing around with a swag of digital tuner cards.

I'm unimpressed with how the final version of Windows Media Center (WMC) on Vista has turned out.

It will only be available on the more wallet-walloping Vista Home Premium and Ultimate editions and I'm still confused about to what exactly the incentive with MCE is here.

Two tuner hard-limit

I discovered that even if you use DTV card drivers that don't conflict with other brands of tuners, you can plug in as many tuners as you like. However, this has no bearing on WMC; it recognises the lot, but you are permitted to select for use only two at any one time.

So, if you're TV-batty and wish to record two shows while watching a third, you're fresh out of luck.

No PIP

Aside from being able to record multiple shows at once, another big reason for purchasing multiple tuners is picture-in-picture.

Well you can forget about it. Have a fancy new digital dual-tuner card that flaunts PiP support? Tough. There is no such thing in the WMC world.

If you really want it, you'll have to bring out the usually unstable and interface-unfriendly TV tuner application that was thrown in the box at the last minute.

Poking around online, this is one of the most requested features of a future Windows Media Center. This only makes this all seem rather odd.

There is no immediately obvious reason as to why such an ordinary feature on most half-decent home theatre suites isn't included.

No Australian tuning frequencies

In order to quicken setting up the system, tuning can be done away with on this new version, theoretically. In fact, the wizard asks to confirm not only your country but also your zip or postcode to deliver the precise set of frequencies available in your area.

Well, no. Down-under, reality takes a whiz on that neat concept, as this feature isn't even partially available in Australia.

It gets better, though. And by 'it gets better' I mean 'the franken-monster has mutilated offspring.'

No Australian program guide

The new WMC has the ability to download a program guide and use this in conjunction with the time-scheduled record function. Fantastic, but I haven't tried it, because that's also missing in Australia.

Sure, it's not Microsoft's fault, given the TV networks' wrangle over copyright on TV guides, but it's still no consolation for WMC users who miss out on a major piece of functionality. Meanwhile, users of Linux media centres and some dedicated PVRs are happily sucking down TV guides from a variety of unofficial sources.

Just to rub salt in our eyes, if a certain Wikipedia stub is to be believed, Australia was among the first countries in the world that had an online telly guide. This was back in 1994 on this scorched rock -- you know, when electricity was still in its infancy and the 80's thing wouldn't die fast-enough?

A quick look over at the UK Media Center discussion forums and it appears our monarchy siblings are equally miffed.

No captions

To top off the pudding, we have closed-captions, or rather, we don't. Neither teletext nor DVB subtitle services are supported.

What's going on here? Considering the premium coinage it demands from Aussies, Microsoft ought to make the new Media Center worthwhile. Its representatives were unable to provide comment for this story, but we'll keep you posted.

Sure, competing with free must be difficult, but at least match the damn features before charging.

 

Vista's Media Center close option: One of its useful features.Vista's Media Center close option: One of its useful features.


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chris:

comment 1> DVB-S isnt in MCE OR VMCE because foxtel and optus dont want to play ball. Mce is capable right now of doing all that is needed but again the big boys don’t want to share their toys. They’d rather you pay for there insanely bugged iQ device. Also for the record media center is available in home premium not just ultimate

comment 2> there’s a lot more new to it that we won’t see because Australian television innovation is stumped by bad government.. (its Alston’s fault) where light years behind it’s not their fault that our high definition TV standard is considered not to be HD anywhere else in the world. Now as far as giving it away... to TechNet hmmm okay it was to roughly 20000 beta testers which they invited to beta test. Now do the math on this they charged roughly $1.50us to download office 2007 beta they made well over 15million.. Its called being nice. Apple wouldn’t

Comment 3> vista alone is worth the upgrade.. Think before you talk... test before you have an automatically slamming opinion... I’ve been using vista since the ole 4072 pdc build. its nothing short of fantastic. Sure you can’t see any real changes other than the ui. But that’s because you’re being ignorant and not willing to open your mind to bigger and better things

Now on to the author. Now really you twerp, no guide you shouldn’t even bring that up without saying channel 9s fault. Think really hard it is possible to record 3 things at once and watch another it’s called buying 2 twin decoder cards because mce only counts them as two even though you get 4 channels at once.. then again i doubt you tried to test before typing. Back to the basement for you my friend. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME


29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

Sure you can’t see any real changes other than the ui. But that’s because you’re being ignorant and not willing to open your mind to bigger and better things

Last time I saw a statement like that it was from the late P Brock trying to flog something called an Energy Polarisor and that turned out to be snake oil too!! If you cant see it and you can't measure it then it doesn't exist.

We are all happy for you that a buggy beta gave you so much joy but your elation over Vista does not dictate it being a good thing for others. When more is available for less and on more stable and less resourse hungry platforms, then Chris, yours may be one of the few dank bedrooms to feature a running Vista Media Centre.

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

Evidently you must be one of the BETA Testers that helped design this POS, or didn't give any input into Vista at all. Vista interface is COOL for about 3 days then it becomes a real PITA. I have Dual Tuners testing in Vista & it WILL ONLY ALLOW to record on 2. I'm back to SAGETV, as MS can't get their S... together.

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

There will be one more glaring ommission from Vista Media Centre - customers willing to part with the readys for half a media operating system. Given time maybe even Microsoft will notice this one.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo:

What a waste of money from the beginning. I'm with Nathan on this, the media centre is nothing. I can't name a new thing about it from the old version other than a change of interface. Same old inconsistent garbage, with a new face, I don't beleive Microsoft didn't even listen to users when there is such a high demand for change.

Microsoft loves the money, and they'll do anything to get it from you. I have proof of how much of a rip-off you're receiving if you buy vista. This project is in such low interest they are giving away free copies in the millions of dollars to technet users who tested and sent in bugs for Vista in the beta stages, http://www.msblog.org/2006/11/16/msblog-exclusive-windows-vista-testers-get-free-copy-of-rtm/

I always hear about these big goals and acheivements from Microsoft, like bringing the PC into the lounge room. But they fail to care about what their customers want. So until Microsoft starts changing and listens to what people want, they can stay out of my lounge room and out of my life.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tin:

Wow. And here I was expecting that I might just go and buy Ultimate because it would make my TV recording life easier...

I'm guessing that in with all the missing stuff, it also doesn't have support for DVB-S either.

What, other than WMC, is extra in Ultimate? If the answer isn't something fantastic, then what a waste of money.

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dasda:

Does anyone know how to switch input sources in windows vista media center? I have my camcorder connected to the purple video box and need to access it in media center...how do i do it?!??!!?

29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

raindog:

You had better thank the actual poster of the URL too. :>

29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

skris88:

Isn't MCE's whole purpose to allow non-geeks to use a PC as their media center device?


With the number of times my MCE 2005 crashes each month, it's almost a miracle that my wife and kids continue to use MCE at all; as the home tech-head, I put in place a boot-up user-selectable option to kick off a Norton GHOST image restore of the whole MCE setup. And they run this GHOST restore at least once a month, and even many times a month sometimes (for basic issues like channels going missing, IR remote being ignored, etc) for when even a shutdown/re-boot won't help.


(The REAL trick is to setup GHOST so that previously recorded TV shows aren't lost with the re-set.)


Geeks like you, "chris", don't need the MCE front-end to watch multiple channels, etc. so stop "shouting" out Vole's (aka Microsoft) so-called 'great' media center releases (now or with Vista). Vole MCEs are a far cry from 'consumer-grade'.


I just took a quick look the the Linux version of this (thanks for the URL, "raindog"), but it's missing the second reason I use the MCE: I store my DVDs on the MCE hard disk drive with AnyDVD. I can't find an equivilant (yet) on Linux, but I am sure there would be several out there.


Once I find that, it's GOODBYE VOLE.

My main non-MCE PC is already a Linux box running Firefox, Thunderbird, Open Office and TCPMP Media Player - no re-image, anti-virus, or anti-spyware software needed!


Cheers,
25-Nov-2006




29 February 2008, 8:28 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

chris:

You assume that it is a resource hog. Again incorrect, sure ill admit the beta builds may have been a bit hoggy, thats to be expected they are beta build. Xp has some shocking memory management. Sure it may perform faster if you give to more but it doesnt really give much back. vista however changes that with alot better management of memory. So this time if you add more the performance gain is far greater than xp. Im not lying there it absolutely flys plus the addition of readyboost is quite a nice addin. Being able to use your memory sticks as a cheap form of cache is just awesome and id say there are a few apc guys that would agree to that. thats just the start

as far as media center not having anything new. the age old desputes here. just because you cant see the changes doesnt mean they're not there. its alot more stable that it used to be alot more refined than it used to be it runs alot better. oh and if anyone wants a "legal" guide then off to icetv in google and you can get one there for a price.. again that ain't microsofts fault thats ch9


29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymous:

I recently installed VISTA and think it is faster and far more usable than previous versions (should be after 5 years development). It is amazing how the explorer now looks like KDE (perhaps a software patent issue :-)). Now for the WMC, god what a dog.....

I am used to the fully featured and reliable KnoppMyth distribution and I must say that windows is not in the same arena. Online guide, transcoding to xvid, commercial flagging, support for as many tuners as you can get in and TOTALLY customizable.

Get with the program and use a system that just works. Ditch MS and use MythTV it is a great piece of software (once configured).

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

William K:

What is the point for spending extra(?) for an unnecceressary addition which has free alternitives (I think!)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Downzy:

I've never even bothered with MCE. Try MediaPortal, an open source project for Windows. It's still beta, but it supports just about any TV card, you can use as many cards as you want, and best of all, the features keep coming. They have just released a Client/Server setup for the bleeding edge users as well. The version I've been using works like clockwork for the last 9 months or so. There's no PiP yet, but it's high on the request list and I'm sure it's not far away. The community is extremely helpful if you have problems getting started as well.

www.team-mediaportal.com

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