Mac vs PC 2011: Looking for the best 17-inch desktop replacement?

Conrad Bem
19 May 2011, 4:06 PM


Sandy Bridge CPUs have made the contest between Macs & PCs that much more heated. Today we’re seeing which camp offers the best supersized 17-inch model to replace your desktop PC.


It's round three in our series comparing the recently revamped Apple MacBook Pro range with Sandy Bridge CPUs against their nearest PC equivalents, to see who offers the best product that combines style and raw computing power. We've previously looked at the best Core i5 13in ultraportable and best Core i7 13in ultraportable matchups, and this time we're jumping to the opposite end of the form factor spectrum: 17in desktop replacements. It’s the Apple MacBook Pro 17in’s turn (MC725X/A model) to sink or swim against the best opposition the PC world can muster.

Before going further, it’s worth going over what we mean by "desktop replacement". Most notebooks are portable to a greater or lesser degree, but once the screen gets to 17in or higher the portability declines (and the components hopefully ramp up) to the point where it’s really an alternative to a full-blown desktop machine. Massive 17in notebook screens are great for tasks like editing images and videos, watching movies or having more than one productivity application clearly visible at any one time. Effectively they're supercharged all-rounder notebooks - capable of replacing your desktop, while still offering portability (when you're up to the challenge of lugging them around, that is).


Looks like a Mac, but can it outperform a Mac? HP's Envy 17-2002tx.

Today's competitor for the Mac is the most equal machine in terms of specs and presentation on the market: the HP Envy 17-2002tx. It has admittedly cribbed Apple’s style, but the completely aluminium exterior and very high-end specs are a combination that’s as good looking as it is powerful. In terms of meeting the 17in MacBook Pro on its own terms, you won't find a more worthy desktop replacement competitor. The Mac retails for $2,899, while the HP is just $100 more.

Apple MacBook Pro 17in (MC725X/A) vs HP Envy 17-2002tx

There’s a slight difference in processor between the two machines: the HP has an Intel Core i7-2630QM (2GHz that can turbo boost to 2.9GHz), while the Apple has the slightly faster Intel Core i7-2720QM (2.2GHz that can turbo boost up to 3.3GHz). Additionally, the HP has 8GB of RAM compared to the Apple’s 4GB, and the HP has 2TB of hard disk drive storage compared to the Apple’s comparatively tiny 750GB.

The HP packs an AMD Radeon HD 6850M, which is slightly more powerful than the AMD Radeon HD 6750M in the Apple. Things continue in the HP’s favour when the screens are brought into the picture. The Apple has a 17in model with a resolution of 1,920 x 1,200, which is slightly higher than the HP’s 17.3in 1,920 x 1,080. Where the HP model pulls ahead is the fact that it is 3D capable - a nice addition, and something we don't expect to see on a Mac any time soon.

Sweating the small stuff

Both machines have Gigabit Ethernet, a/b/g/n Wi-Fi, cameras, microphones and stereo speakers, but from there it gets a bit murky. The Apple has a DVD burner, one uniquely fast Thunderbolt port, one FireWire 800 port, a trio of USB 2.0 ports, and a card reader along with a pair of audio jacks. The HP on the other hand has a Blu-ray reader along with a VGA port, a HDMI port, two audio jacks, a USB 3.0 port, two USB 2.0 ports, one USB 2.0/eSATA combo port, an RJ45 port and a Mini-VGA port. We’d have to hand it to the HP here; it simply has much greater variety, which is vital in a desktop replacement.



Apple's 17in model is the king of the MacBook Pro line.

Presence and portability

But specs aren’t all there is to the story. When it comes to battery life, the MBP has a remarkable four-hour lead on the competition: the HP’s reported battery life is three hours, while the MacBook Pro is quoted at a very respectable seven hours. Portability is another area where the Apple clearly pulls ahead. It weighs 2.99kg and measures a truly slender 25mm thick, 267mm deep and 393mm wide. While still portable, the HP lags behind noticeably; it weighs 3.28kg and measures a bulkier 31.7mm thick, 275mm deep and 416mm wide.

Lookswise, we’ve said it before and we’ll say it again: the smooth, polished surfaces and svelte profile give the Mac a genuinely elegant and refined appearance. However, HP’s offering looks pretty much identical. It may not have the Apple’s aluminium unibody construction, but the overall presentation is still all smooth surfaces and polished metal. The slightly more slender profile of the Apple gives it a slight visual edge over HP, but there's not much in it considering how great both products look.


Verdict

If you're in the market for a heavy-duty 17in notebook, we think the HP Envy 17-2002tx is the better choice. The specs of the HP are generally superior to the MBP. Storage and RAM in particular are significantly more generous, while the graphics card is slightly better as well. While the Apple has a slightly better processor, overall the HP's advantages across the board generally outweigh this perk. The MacBook Pro is ahead in battery life by a massive margin, plus it takes the lead in portability (both in weight and thinness), but while the HP is bulkier and heavier, this may not be especially important given both machines will likely stick on your desktop most of the time. And a price difference of $100 is negligible at this level.

The MacBook Pro 17in is a fine product in it's own right, but for our money, if we were in the market for a Sandy Bridge desktop replacement that’s as good looking as it is powerful, the HP Envy 17-2002tx is what we'd choose.

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deusexmachina (New user):

Failed to mention what software you get with the HP? ...and if you want to end up running Windows on the MBP, then there goes another chunk of change. Is comparing raw hardware spesc like this worthwhile considering the different software ecosystems you are running?

19 May 2011, 4:15 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

7 Hours of battery life on a MBP? ........ Yeah, I'd like to see that in real life!

19 May 2011, 4:22 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (User):

hang on, i just looked up on WIKI the core differences on the 6750m and the 6850m, and the 6850 looks like it has a fillrate and GFLOP processing rate that's almost 80% higher then the 6750m.

Wouldn't that make it faster? i couldn't find a head to head, but from what i understand....

WIKI didn't list the wattage, but i'd guess the 6750 would be lower, hence the better battery life.

OSX DOES have better battery saving algorithims then Windows, (run the same MBP with windows, and i bet the battery life's like 3hours)

19 May 2011, 6:58 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (User):

in all honesty, i wouldn't buy either... the amount of HP/compaq machines i've had to repair....

and after last week, were we had to fix a MBP, i so HATE OSX!

19 May 2011, 7:01 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheMightyGoochBurger (New user):

Hey, "Average Joe", do you have a Macbook Pro?
I happen to have one-although you didn't know.
Contrary to your Mac-hater moaning,
It's battery life is currently owning.
Although its Sandy Bridge might Boost,
My 10 hour plus Macbook currently rules the roost.

19 May 2011, 7:06 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

" ... My 10 hour plus Macbook currently rules the roost ..." - GoochBurger

Try turning it on!

My wife has a MBP for work (publishing) and barely gets 3 hours.

19 May 2011, 8:41 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TheMightyGoochBurger (New user):

I've got a couple of questions average joe,

What exactly is "publishing?" Microsoft Word? Adobe Dreamweaver? Battery life will, of course, depend on how hard you are pushing your laptop's capabilities.
If your wife is pushing her laptop all the time-i.e. she constantly has at least 3 intensive programs running at once-then I agree, the Macbook's battery isn't going to last long. That, however, is the same with any laptop computer.

The problem might also be that your battery has degraded and is no longer able to retain it's charge properly. If you suspect that is the case, then I suggest taking it in to the Apple store to get it replaced.

If your battery is fine, you're not running heaps of apps at once and your screen brightness is at a low but usable setting, there is absolutely no reason why the Macbook shouldn't last at least 6 hours.

As a student, I actually need battery life and my 2011 Macbook Pro will happily run Safari and Logic for roughly 7 hours without going near a powerpoint.
There's a reason why you see lots of Macbooks at Schools and Universities! They all have great battery life, although the non-user replaceable battery is kind of annoying-but the trade off is fine with me.

19 May 2011, 10:19 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (User):

been a look'n and it looks like the "older" 17inch MBP's run a 68Wh battery, (so will supply 68W for an hour).

i couldn't find the spec for the new one, but @ a guess, it'd be better. Soo... asuming an 15% increase in battery compt, the new battery would be, say 75Wh.

so the MBP would need to draw 11w to get 7 hours of battery. That's very do able.

admittedly, i did, like, 2 Google searches, but that's pretty much the math. if you could, (be bothered), find out the actuall Wh or AMPh of the new battery, and the min amp or watt draw of the MBP, you would be able to work out the actual battery life.

20 May 2011, 8:28 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Your Average Joe (User):

@GoochBurger

FTR, my wife's MBP was bought Jan 2010. She uses it for Adobe InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop, along with all the usual stuff like Office and web/email.

You seem to be saying that if you use the MBP very conservatively, you will get your 10 hours. But that defeats the purpose of having a portable device for work. If I kept my Alienware laptop off, I could get a good month out of the battery. Using it, I would be lucky to get 2 hours.

And I'm not bagging Mac at all, I wouldn't use anything but a Mac for media work, I'm just saying that manufacturer's quoted specs are sometimes way off the real world scenarios.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

20 May 2011, 9:31 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

ss-rotel (User):

there;s the thing, most software for the mac, wont be HW accel. by the video card, which will basically asleep. now i dont know about the mac ver of CS4+ but the PC ver uses Nvidia card to HW accel.

if it does, in photoshop, your video cards 3D core will be running, effectively doubling the power usage.

haha... if you had this new one, it wont be an issue... cos it's not got a nvidia card, no HW accell, no high battery useage :)

20 May 2011, 10:17 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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