MACBU INTERVIEW: Office 2008 for Mac fails to deliver full Exchange support

David Flynn17 January 2008, 2:05 AM

Microsoft's marketing machine has spun up for today's official Macworld Expo launch of Office 2008, but little has been said about Entourage's support for Exchange. Having put the questions direct to the MacBU team, now we know why...


Unlike previous launches of Office for Mac, Microsoft didn't get a walk-on spot during the Steve Jobs keynote. Jobs' sole mention of the suite took the form of a subtle dig, welcoming Office 2008 as "the last of the big apps to go native on Intel" - a factual and seemingly innocuous statement which none the less drew a good chuckle from the audience.

But Microsoft is making the most of Macworld as a vital springboard for the suite. The day prior to Jobs keynote, Microsoft held a day-long series of demo session (fittingly titled ‘A Day at the Office') for Macworld Expo attendees, all of whom received a free copy of Office 2008 at the end of the day.

Last night saw the official media launch with a ‘private party' at the Yerba Buena Centre adjacent to Macworld's Moscone venue, followed by an even more invitation-only ‘Macworld Blast!' event which Microsoft promises will be "the hottest ticket at Macworld", whatever that means!

But getting back to Office 2008...

We've been tracking the suite for almost 18 months, starting with our September 2006 scoop that the suite, still in alpha and known only by the codename of Office 12, would sport a new UI.

We followed this up in March 2007 with news of Office hitting the beta milestone and revealing the ‘Escher' graphics engine (which was handed down from Office 2007 for Windows).

The next month we reported on the decision to delay shipping an Office 2004 update to add support for XML documents (the native file format of Office 2007 for Windows) until ‘six to eight weeks' after the release of Office 2008. We're still not expecting to see these before the end of March. And we took a stab at predicting the delivery timetable for Office 2008, which proved to be bang on the money with our tip of a January launch.

Now, at last, Office 2008 has arrived. We've already been sufficiently hands-on with Office 2008 to introduce you to the major changes in Word, Excel, Powerpoint and Entourage. But to date, little has been said by Microsoft about Entourage's interaction with Exchange - most of the focus has been on Entourage as a stand-alone program.

What Entourage can do with Exchange Server 

One of the few exceptions has been that Entourage 2008 now supports the long-overdue ability to send an automated ‘Out of Office' message (complete with HTML formatting and options for who receives the auto-reply) when used with Exchange 2007.

That's certainly welcome news, but the overall lack of Exchange-friendly features doesn't cut much ice with the many companies running an Exchange server, especially those with a large ‘mixed mode' population of Windows and Mac systems.

Entourage 2004 has been criticised for failing not only to fully support Exchange to the same degree as Outlook, and thus cruel interaction between users of Exchange and Outlook, but also because Entourage has yet to see many features which Outlook has enjoyed for years.

The MacBU interview 

Eric Wilfrid: photo by Macfannet JapanEric Wilfrid: photo by Macfannet Japan
We snared some time with Eric Wilfrid, Product Manager for Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU), and MacBU Entourage developer Andy Ruff, and put to them some of the key questions that Entourage 2004 users have been asking for months without answer.

Wilfrid readily admits that in the context of Exchange, Entourage 2008 is a little less about surface features and more about what lies under the hood.

"We've done a lot of work in performance and stability when working with Exchange, which is based on customer feedback that it was one of the most important things to get right in 2008" he told apcmag.com.

So, the big question: will Entourage 2008 be as fully-featured an Exchange client as Outlook 2007?

"No," says Wilfrid, "it won't match 100% feature-for-feature to Outlook 2007. But we've made a lot of progress since 2004, and this has been the next step in our ongoing investment in Exchange support. We're closing the gap with each release."

"In that timeframe (between Entourage 2004 and Entourage 2008) we did a pretty major release of Entourage with 2004 SP2" says developer Andy Ross.

"In the initial release our Exchange functionality was basic mail and basic calendaring. We didn't do delegation, we didn't allow you to open up shared calendars, it wasn't necessarily even that reliable. And we've done a lot of work since then, so 2004 SP2, which was about two years ago, was (in fact) a major release with a lot of functionality added, and in 2008 we continue that."

But is the intention for Entourage to ever be as fully functional an Exchange client as Outlook? "Yes", says Wilfrid assures us. "We're working on closing the gap, and we're not done. We're going to keep rolling on with Exchange stuff, keep listening to customers about what's important, you can definitely look for more improvements in the future."

Then we got down to some of the specific issues which have bugged Mac users of Exchange. By and large, that pain won't be disappearing if you upgrade to Entourage 2008.

Will Entourage 2008 allow users to synchronise notes with Exchange server? "No", Wilfrid straightballed.

Can you synchronise tasks with an Exchange server? "No, we didn't get notes or tasks".

Will Entourage 2008 at least support Exchange public folders so users can view and edit contacts, tasks and notes in those folders? "Yes", Wilfrid said.

Outlook currently provides the ability to request that the sender of an email receive a 'receipt' when their message is read. Entourage 2004 lacks this - is it present in Entourage 2008? "No, there's no receipt feature."

Can you view multiple calendars side by side in Entourage 208, which you can in Outlook? "No".

Entourage 2004 caches all data from the Exchange server onto the Mac's hard disk, which has impact on the Mac's disk space, slows network traffic, makes for long sync times and means you can miss just-updated information made between Entourage's periodic updates.

Outlook for Windows, on the other hand, supports a useful alternative in 'online only' mode, which doesn't cache data but works directly against the server, with all data kept on the server rather than caching it all to the hard drive. Will Entourage 2008 also support this online only mode? "No, Entourage 2008 doesn't support that online-only mode" confirmed Wilfrid.

Does Exchange still use a single 'monolithic' database for storing all its messages, appointments, contacts and just about everything else? "Yes, Entourage continues to use a single file" Wilfrid said. "But we did a lot of work in 2008 to improve its reliability and performance, and even in the process that you do hit a crash or some corruption happens, we did a lot of work to make sure that the rebuild process recovers a lot more of the data. It used to be that projects and categories and links used to be something you could lose in that process, but that's no longer the case, it's much much more reliable now."

Office 2008 for the Mac will be launched in Australia on January 31, starting at $229 for the Home & Student edition (which consists only of Word, Excel and PowerPoint, but includes three user licenses), with $649 for the full edition and $399 for upgrades from Office 2004.


David Flynn is attending Macworld 2008 at San Francisco as a guest of Apple


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Slippery Jim DiGriz:

I'll still get a copy of Office 2008 (it helps that my company will be footing the bill) but I think this is a real let down. I didn't see anything about different connectivity options. I currently can't sync entourage through my ISA/OWA setup because it can't handle the two factor authentication we use, and why can't they port RPC over HTTPS (Outlook Anywhere) which is one of the few things that works seamlessly on my Windows laptop.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

davetest:

What a load of crap. Office for Mac is the last to get features [exchange support], and the first to remove features [scripting, particularly in Excel].

And I can't believe they actually even mention "out of office" support as being a significant feature.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anonymousbob:

well, lets hope the rest of the world slowly moves away from exchange, it will happen eventually, especially with eu nz etc moving towards linux in the govenment/schools etc

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan Lodder:

It all seems rather clear to me....

Does Outlook offer a better experience interacting with Exchange... Yes!
Is Exchange the dominant Email Server on MS Systems... Yes!
Is Microsoft trying to protect its enterprise space... Yes!

To be honest, while I am Windows Admin by day and not a Mac Fanboi at all (The last Mac I owned was a Classic Plus II), I can see that Mac's are gaining pace in the industry and are now an emerging threat.

With greater usability, competitive pricing and comparable features in the enterprise space, MS must curtail the spread if it wants to continue to sell OEM client Operating Systems and Suites... the largest part of its core business...

Besides, the combination of selling an OS and Office Suite per user at around $1000+ for full version packages, is clearly a far better business plan compared to selling Mac Office for less than $650 and throwing in 3 licenses. Thats less than $220 per user....

MS is in the business of making money, not making people happy... The quality of their software is testamount to that statement. Crippling a product to minimise uptake protects well established markets!

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BryGL:

Once again MS has handicapped its Mac users. I use both Mac & PC at work, and occasionally when the PC is again being rebuilt I drop back to Entourage 2004, it's rubbish.

I fail to see why Mac Office does not ship with Outlook instead of this half-baked Entourage program. It isn't as though the MacBU is a different company is it, they must have access to the source code from their windows equivalent.

The previews for this 2008 suite make me wonder one thing, why? It looks like crap by comparison to the Office 2007 on PC's. What makes this a compelling upgrade for Mac users? Nothing from what I see.

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

J. Random USian:

Actually, Entourage is a very good program except for the execrable Exchange support. Entourage is a direct descendant of Claris Emailer, developed in 1994-1995.

When Apple spun off Claris more fully into Filemaker, Inc. and all the non-Filemaker products were axed, the Emailer people went to Microsoft and made Outlook Express for the Mac in Emailer's image. Outlook Express eventually eveloved into Entourage.

I loved Emailer and only stopped using it in 2002, when I moved to OS X permanently. I could have still run it in Classic, but I wanted to run as much OS X native software as I could, and I knew Entourage X was very similar.

29 February 2008, 8:49 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

carlivar:

You also can't edit server-side rules/filters I believe. That is absolutely ridiculous.

I have one answer for everyone:

zimbra.com



29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phi:

I don't get it.
What the heck is so difficult with integrating Entourage to an Exchange server?
the only reason for me to buy an update would be a full Exchange support. We use Exchange in office - and even when it's not running a Mac, my Outlook/Exchange work is running really fine. I like Outlook, it does everything I need.

Now to Entourage. Many lacks have been listed above, I want to add some more:

-Why isn't it possible to declare an appointment as "private" like it IS in Outlook? Whenever I add a private appointment within Entourage, I have to reopen it within Outlook after syncing to check the "private" box. I can't think that THIS is a problem which can't be solved

-Why can't Entourage adopt the different views which Outlook allows you? Outlook is much more flexible while viewing data. Have you ever tried to change the layout the contacts appear within Entourage?

-Why is Entourage (sorry for this) still looking THAT ugly?

-Why isn't Entourage still not able to read and import Outlook .pst files?

That's just three important points for me. With the actual functionality of Entourage I'm thinking about using iCal and the Adressbook of OSX instead - a rudimentary Exchange support is integrated. Why should I pay a large amount of money for an update which isn't really one if you need (and want) to use Exchange?

Does the MBU listen to their customers? Have they ever asked users which user their products within a company which uses Mac AND PC?
Hey, come on, the Outlook/Exchange developers are not that far away - when will you ever adopt nearly ALL the functionality which Exchange / PC Office offers instead of doing that little steps forward?

I'm REALLY disappointed. We've waited a very long time for a new office, we've waited a VERY long time for native Intel support - why do we have to wait that long for a good implementation to one of the high important other Microsoft products?

Regards,
Phi

29 February 2008, 8:33 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dan:

I deal with an Exchange server which has, for whatever reason, been configured to only support MAPI and Outlook Web Access. Entourage 2004 acts as a pretty front-end to OWA, but I'd really like to see full MAPI support going forward.

(I'd also like to see Exchange come with POP3+SSL and IMAP+SSL support turned on out of the box... and with no way to turn them off! :)

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