Macs too hip for PC users?

satanix:

Why buy a mac you dont need to, just install MAC osx on a pc alomg with windows vista and windows xp and any linux distro you want, and all this on PC hardware, no need to waste money on a crappy mac.

William K:

More like users too hip for Macs!


Is anyone still following this topic, or am I a loner?

soCram:

You know the saying "Why should i take plumb, if i can get gold?"
Why should i use a copy, if i could have the original?
After errors on Windows XP, that not even microsoft could dissolve, i switched to an iBook.

William K:

Really?!? - Was it a hardware issue or another program interfering, by chance!!!

Macs suck - and are out dated. LET GO!!!!

iron8monkey:

This whole Mac and PC argument is soooo boring. As an OSX, Windows and Linux user, from an everyday user point of view, the only difference between any of these systems is the software that one uses to get the job done.

I have a Mac at home, Why? because I like OSX but my kids use Windows at school and I can't afford two computers, so I run both OSs on the mac natively.

If there was a PC maker out there that let me do that, I would probably go with that one if the price was right. As for games, well, PS, Xbox ... Sooo much more comfortable than sitting at a desk.

Its about time we stopped comparing these systems and just left people to pick, play and enjoy.

davidrhoskin:

If there was a PC maker out there that let me do that...

you mean, "If Apple let me do that"

'IBM Clone' hardware is perfectly capable of running OSX, but Apple has chosen to only allow their operating system to run on their own hardware.

VannA:

You've raised a point I'd never thought of.

In all the posturing, are Apple digging themselves a business-type hole?

Anybody who wants a portable entertainment platform *probably* wants to be able to play games on it, as they come out. This rules out OS/X.

People who want a business focused portable solution will be put off by the 'hip' attitude.

All very amusing.

justthething84:

When was the last time you saw a mac in a professional environment. They must be so crap and incompatible that no one wants to see them - let alone use them.

Cmon who cares about Macs. Macs are ugly. They are boring white plastic blocks. PCs are heaps better looking - and especially the ones that are used in home theatres (like media centre). Macs suck in home theatres because when watching a movie in a dark lounge room they stand out like DOGS BALLS because they are WHITE - home theatre PCs are better because you cant see them and arent distracting (because they are usually made out of dark materials/or you can make your own).

I have NEVER been given a proper worthwhile excuse for buying a MAC. I feel sorry for people who know nothing about technology and buy a Mac and dont realise how much they are being ripped off – you guys are just feeding Apple with money who gives you less in return than what a PC company could offer you. That’s the reason PCs are the most popular type of computer. Even the name “Apple” is just wrong. What a crap name for a company selling computer equipment.

"If you by a Mac you'll want to go back" (to a PC)

roundaboutmusic:

Every day, but my professional environment is obviously quite different to yours, PCs have always been the minority in my line of work... no i don't work in an apple store. it's all about the right tool for the right job - a PC just isn't reliable or compliant enough for music production. Tell me, does it hurt to think that all the music you listen to on your aesthetically ball-less PC media centre was most likely made on a mac?

stuffman:

Yet it is interesting how the Mac does not have one single professional wave editing application. The industry standard wavelab is pc only.

frits:

you are just plain stupid. period.

fritjz:

you're a brainwashed moron. period. blah blah mac look ma I'm a slobbering mac moron, period.

mackentux:

well well you must have only driven a commodore or Falcon then!!!!!

Eric:

Want another reason that I just came by. I am using Windows PE to ghost some machines with RAID controllers right. No problem you would think. Well you have to download Windows PE off of Microsoft's website it is a free downlaod suprisingly (they usually dont give anything for free.) They used a disk image file of .img. Not only 1. there is not a program within windows to burn this image file. but 2. when you double click on the file and use web services to help you find a program it lists it as an image file and tells you to download iFranView32. I had to download a trial version of Nero to burn the image to a DVD. Disk Utility would have handle this for crying out load. I mean come on. So there is another reason for you.

Luke Evans:

The only good mac is a Big Mac. Viva Le Windows

justthething84:

well of course the only good mac is a big mac - why would you buy a pc made from apple? ;)

Katrina:

Maybe he won't buy an apple PC. In my opinion apple products are too expensive in comparison to the features and performance. Maybe in future it will be better, cause their products have a great design, no doubt.

tweaked:

i hate those ads. Windows can do all that a mac can do.

'windows movie maker' = 'iMovie'

'windows media player' = 'iTunes'

I HATE MACS and more so for these untruthful ads. thankyou. PCs FTW (custom hardware :))

justthething84:

I dont know how mac users have anything to be smug about. Their machines are neither useful nor better than a PC. i dont even know why people bother buying them it just beats me. you spend more money on a mac and yet you dont get the compatibility you do as with a PC (not to mention you cant upgrade them).

whats wrong with mac users. i would say one reason theyd buy a mac is to be different from everyone else but why buy something to please others? i certainly dont see how you would please yourselves with a mac because i can only see problems with buying one (nothing can be installed on them cause no one makes anything for macs! - except the very, very few companies out there spending huge amounts of money just to fulfil a niche market (mac market)).

Seriously tell me something that a mac can do that a pc cant. I can give you reasons what a pc can give you that a mac cant, so why would I be wrong. dont give me the story that graphics artists use macs - because we all know pcs can do the same thing.

why doesnt apple turn macs into a PC like Dells and just sell them with windows installed? im sure theyd make a shit load of money that way (maybe even provide the option of having mac os installed on a partition).

i just dont get macs im sorry. no ones ever pointed out to me why they are any different and why they appeal to anyone. i know some rta offices use them at their tellers (but dont use them in administration (which is where most of the action happens)).

Come on guys I put it to you: Give me a reason to buy a mac and spend more money on that then a PC. I ask for just ONE reason (and if its something a pc can do then forget it).

Mark Cowberg:

Drag a movie to the recycle bin/trash can from your hard drive and have it place the movie in the recycle bin/trash can while playing.

Setup-less install of programs (no need to run an installation program to install something).

Use a bulit-in unix terminal or ftp server.

Reinstall the OS without affecting any applications. Drag an application from one computer to other to make a copy and always have that copy work (no DLL's / dependencies / registry).

Run some very high quality mac software (iChat is far better than AIM and Mail.app far better than Outlook Express. May be a matter of taste, admittedly.

And I admit the Mac ads need a little more substance.

justthething84:

why would i delete something im using? you cant delete data that you are using. try removing a video clip you are watching off ur mac while ur watching it. if its deleted its gone lol. the install process is done once and is not even a problem. and you are using a unix terminal for? and ftp is widely available for pc. u can reinstall windows or even rollback to a previous state. how often do u drag an application from one computer to another? does the average person drag apps from on pc to another NO. and if we wanted to we just install it on another pc. as for high quality mac software that is a claim that is pretty pathetic as pcs have high quality software also, but i dont even know whyd u say something silly like that. high quality apps since when does the world run on macs i think im finally getting bored of the mac arguement as theres never been a reason to switch.

Karen:

Well you did ask for points on why Mac may preferable over a PC, you got them so stop complaining.

lenny k:

So just because you don't want to drag apps from one computer to another (of course copying or re-downloading the install program, running it, clicking "Next" a bunch of times and possibly rebooting is much more convenient than drag and drop) and YOU don't want to use a Unix terminal because you're a click and drool Windows kiddie, that means they are worthless?

I'll add that Macs come with dev tools like Python, Perl, PHP and Ruby. Macs are simple to use out of the box (if slightly different to Windows...the horror) and they have the more advanced UNIX-style tools if you want them as well.

Unfortunately the "Microsoft/MSN/Hotmail" generation can't appreciate this stuff cause they just don't know what they're missing.

Anyway use what you like but don't judge everyone else's needs on your narrow requirements and understanding, k?

justthething84:

i have a wide range of requirements that of which i wont bother to entertain you with. the simple fact is i cant stand the sight of an apple product.

Gianni Wise:

thats fine .. we all have our preferences - but it doesn't constitute an arguable reason why one product is functionally better than the other.

random_PC_Fan:

Play a game that was made within the last two years other than WoW.
Right Click.
Enuf said.

macguy:

My mac plays dozens of new games - some using Boot Camp and some playing in Native OSX.AOE3, SIms 2, Star Wars Lego, Star wars Empire at War all run on OSX and Boot camp is still the best way to run XP.

I right click on my Mac all the time with the Apple 2 button mouse. You need to research before you write.

Richie Eng:

Not a gamer so can't help you there.

As for right clicking, I can do that in one of 3 ways. Right click with a mouse with 2 buttons (easy), click while holding the control key, and of course tap a trackpad with 2 fingers. While I have 2 fingers on the trackpad, I'll also scroll left/right and up/down too. Now what?

leighton (New user):

would you like to right click? well, to right click on a mac... click the RIGHT side of the mouse moron!

ikyouCrow:

that's just a completely insane thing to do (the movie bit). i mean, why would you want to delete something you're still watching? and why in the world wouldn't you want the OS telling you you are about to delete something you're currently using?

there are lots of applications you can copy-and-run on PCs (i assume you are indeed refering to Linux as well and not just Windows bashing). on Windows, you don't need to install VLC or utorrent, but you do need an installer for apps that have to register libraries.

BTW, those apps that you copy-and-run on Mac OS actually "install" when you run them the first time. (see Photoshop issue below)

obviously Linux has these. Windows has a command prompt and an ftp server. surely you've heard of IIS...

i'd really like to see you re-install the Mac OS and have Photoshop, Aperture and the like "just work" without having to re-install them.

are you high? run Mac software? Mac software? 'Mac' software? "Mac" software? '"MAC"' software?


i do agree with you on the whole 'substance' thingee. the ads come across as really childish. like 'my dad is stronger than your dad' and not all dads are 'strong' enough to bend their backs being a plumber or something for the entire day.

Eric:

There are a lot of reasons macs a far superior then PC's. What is the standard fix for a PC??? REBOOT!! I have rebooted my mac 6 times in the last year. 2 times do to a power outage, 1 to take it to the apple store to have more memory added, 3 to install MAC OSX system upgrades. Another reason? How many viruses are there for the MAC? 2 and they are not really virsues per say you have to download the file through iChat then type in your password to install the file then go run the file what a bunch of crap if you do this you deserver it. Try running a PC on the internet for a week without antivirus, spyware, or any type of malware or firewall installed GOOD LUCK!!! Another reason? yes we pay more for the mac but it can work out of the box. Can you minimize your windows and have them show ACTIVE content while minizied no i think not. Windows Vista so called attemp at expose is horrible and again does not show active content. I can use expose to see what is happening with each window not a screenshot of when that button was pressed. Can you resinall the operating system leaving all data intact? I think not. Can you make PDF files right out of the box NO you need to go "BUY" software to do this. Can you make movies, DVD's, or have a good picture management software when you install windows NO!. Can you setup an FTP server in 2 clicks without downloading and installing software. Can you create webpages and upload them to a website without installing any software? (iWeb). When you install windows what can you really do with it? Get on the internet and play solitaire. When you install MAC OSX you can use it right out of the box. For the person that said the comment about no software being compatible for the MAC, I can do everything on my mac in a corporate environment that I can do from a PC AND! I am free from viruses. So unless you have used a mac or know about them you have no reason to say your opinion makes one product better then the other. This is simply my opinion and I am not saying that MAC is a better product or everything should switch to it There will always be a need for both. Why do some people by Chevy and some buy Fords. You wanted examples so there is some food for though there is plenty more where that came from if you want more!

csharper:

or just use free Ubuntu on the more flexible PC architecture..

DH:

a very important point often left out of PC vs Mac fights. PCs aren't the problem...Windows is. Running Ubuntu/Windows dual boot on a PC has worked great, spending most of my time on Ubuntu and switching to Windows when I want to use a webcam on Skype or if I don't want to look for a printer/camera driver.

macfromcanada:

This is something a PC can't do,
BE VIRUS AND MALWARE AND SPYWARE AND ETC. FREE
and, yes I can read your mind, you are going to say that my virus scan protects me, my spyware software protects me. It does, to all virusses it knows about, and has been updated to defend against. There will always be gaps in this type of protetion, such as a virus that is brand new, which happens all the time. You can even still get a virus if you hit download even if your software tells you not too, its called human error. Human error doesn't occur on a mac. Oh just so you know, so me something as good for the PC as Logic Pro

Not an idiot:

hmmm let's see... last time i checked, cubase, nuendo, ableton live and pro-tools are all better than logic pro and all run on both mac and windows. there is really no compelling reason (besides the snob-appeal) to own a mac for any purpose. They look great, and work great (for the most part), but so do my Windows PCs. I own both macs and PCs and the PCs get a lot more use. This day and age, the whole "easy-of-use" argument is a moot point, as both are insanely easy to use. Any moron can move a mouse and click on some things. Both platforms support drag-and-drop for pretty much anything. My Vista x64 PC has had absolutely ZERO issues to date (not even with drivers... it just works) and can run pretty much anything i throw at it. My mac, on the other hand, has driver issues with almost every printer i try to install, and just last week decided it was going to hang on the gray mac screen forever. I finally took it in to apple support and they had to reinstall the OS. haven't had to do that with any of my PCs yet. Most of the viruses, etc for Windows come from a) the fact that it would be stupid to waste effort writing a virus for a platform that nobody (by comparison) uses, and b) come in the form of trojans that slip by the dumbest of the crowd. The OS can't be blamed for software that people willingly (albeit stupidly) install on their machines.

When you can go to any major retail outlet and buy a piece of hardware (anything besides a harddrive, ram, speakers, printer) and have support for it on the mac, i'll be a bit more impressed. When one company controls the hardware and software together, they can dictate what runs and how. Something like Windows (or Linux) that will run well on an absolutely GIANT variety of hardware configurations and support them as well as it does deserves a LOT more credit.

Suk Sandy:

Dear,
I use both Mac and Windows and can tell you hundred of things; things that will make you feel the difference between appreciation and frustration. However, I just wish to point out only couple things.
User experience. Even your whole computing tasks could be well done with both systems but you will find so many small things that really make you happy, lots of times without a word to tell others who do not feel annoyance with Windows's nature. I don't know if your state of mind is OK with pressure to do or execute certain things in Windows. This is almost non-exist in the Mac. You will never know how salt tastes unless you put it in you mouth. I've tested both of them and I can tell you the Mac tastes a lot better. And this is, for me, the indispensable element besides getting your job done with other common tools. I thought I could tell you more about the reasons you should appreciate a Mac but I only pointed out one aspect. I'll try to continue next time, if I could.
Regards,
Suk S.

eldernorm:

"'windows movie maker' = 'iMovie'
'windows media player' = 'iTunes'"

YEP, right up there with
VW bug = BMW,
B&W tv = 52 inch Plasma tv,
115,000 virsus = 0 virsus,
ton-o-spyware = 0 spyware.

Yep, your pc can do everything. OH wait, iPhoto, iLife, wait, I have to stop laughing before I can go on.

en

Sodapop890:

Yes, it is trye that windows doesnt come with simple photoediting software, but with the price of a Mac you could spend $300 less for a PC of the same class and buy a simple photo editing program.

Also, there are no apple programs that can even touch windows media center. Media Center puts mac to shame with its usability and organization of media.

I own both Mac and PC, and i can say with confidence that there is nothing you can do on a mac that you cannot do on a pc.

I must admit that a mac (OS X) can be less cluttered than windows especially uninstalling programs, and the small touches throughout the OS make it nice. But windows can still do all that and more without the price through third party software. and if you are to lazy to spend an hour setting up your PC that it is justafiable to spen an unnesessary $200+ thats your problem.

The only reason to own a mac is for its case, but then you could just buy a custome case with the same appeal.

Rubarb:

Well said!
Windows movie make and windows media player are just a joke.
Because I have clients with both platforms, I used to try to give reasons for using a PC for certain tasks. Not any more. I have just given up. Windows is the most useless O.S. ever.
I develop 70% of my work for PCs but I do it all on a Mac and test it on a PC.
When so called experts say Windows is better than OSX, I just laugh out aloud. It's so, so, so obvious to anyone who has used macs that they leave PCs in the 80s.
Did I mention, DLLs, Registry, Spyware, Viruses, really bad mouse handling, awful screen rendering, font nightmares, SP1/SP2, Vista(HA!), uninstall, Java comaptablility, 20¢ keyboards, MS reliant, Zune...
I remember a survey from a few years ago that said 99% of switchers from PC to Macs DO NOT want to go back but 99% of Mac users currently using PCs WANT to go back to Macs.
PC Fanboys, Keep 'em coming, it's really funny.

blech:

I've used macs in the past for college, and I personally don't like them. It's about preferences.

I used to have itunes installed on my computer, and I didn't like it. I prefer Winamp and the Zune software over iTunes.
Macs are pretty and all, but why should you have to take it to a shop to upgrade?

If I want to get a faster computer, I just buy the parts to make it faster and install it immediately. With a mac, you're probably going to end up buying a whole new computer...

As for Viruses... not many are really targeted towards apple because it's not common enough to be worth infecting. I haven't even gotten a virus in two years! Even if I get something, I know how to get rid of it within 5 minutes... not a big deal to me.

Goldwing5000:

Have you ever try that awful thing called windows movie maker. I had been using i-movie before that but this time I didn't have access to a Mac so it ended up taking me a few hours, something tat would of taken half an hour.
Also i-tunes cant be put in the same category as "windows media player" because i-tunes isn't just a media player it's also a music and movie shop plus podcasts which is something your sissy media player cant do.
ALSO The Mac ads are some of the best and funniest ads I've seen in ages.

leighton (New user):

windows movie maker = does f@ck all but crash, if the files move, it just has a brain-fart and says 'nup'

Tin:

I don't get that ad... What are they selling?

Why don't they actually show some stuff that make Macs better? Oh, probably because there's nothing particularly special that would make me spend thousands on it.

mattmuir:

And would recommend a Mac any day. All the applications are aware of each other, share information seamlessly, and don't freeze. And despite the common misbeliefs, Macs aren't expensive. A Mac Mini, bluetooth keyboard & mouse, and screen could set you back as little as $1000. And for that price it would do one hell of alot more than a PC, with no constant drive spinning.....

justthething84:

mattmuir can you upgrade your mac hardware seamlessly *giggle*

Anonymous:

justthething84, why don't you go do another virus scan.

*giggle*

justthething84:

mac = crap

*giggle*

Anonymous.:

You try doing anything other than a RAM upgrade (a thing you can upgrade on a mac) and not spend at least an hour looking for compatible drivers etc.

sum d00d:

True, true. But you would have to keep in mind that all applications for Macs are made for one particular combination of hardware and software. There are no variables and compatibility issues to contend with.
The closest a PC would come to this is the integration of MS Office, Explorer, Outlook and whatever other software MS has thought should be integrated.

But if you want your nanna to send you photos and emails, get a Mac. At least you won't be over her house every weekend showing her how to use it.

Renegade:

I agree with VannA
They say that they do fun stuff like music and phtos and movies but PCs do this just as good as macs. But PCs go an extra mile by sporting another fun feature GAMES and not just the two or three that mac support.