Melbourne college in 1100-seat Win7 migration

Renai LeMay
17 March 2010, 5:21 PM


APC journalist James Bannan has upgraded his school's 1100-PC network to Windows 7 and describes the challenges and benefits.


Uniting Church school St Leonard’s College has in the past few months completed a sizable desktop migration to Microsoft’s new flagship operating system Windows 7, in a rollout that also saw its supporting server infrastructure switched from Novell Netware to Windows Server 2008 R2.

The migration represents one of the first in what is expected to be a large wave of desktop rollouts across Australia of what analyst firm Gartner has described as a Microsoft operating system that organisations cannot afford to “skip” as they broadly did with Vista. St Leonard’s rolled out Windows 7 to about 1,100 machines in a deployment that would affect some 2,000 students.

The college’s information services area — network, James Bannan, said in an interview this week that the stimulus to migrate the college’s desktops from their previous Windows XP platform was the need to make a choice about the way forward for its server infrastructure, which was previously based on Novell Netware.

Bannan said Novell was no longer continuing to develop the platform. Although St Leonard’s did examine the case for migrating to Novell’s replacement Linux-based offerings, he said unfortunately “it’s a fairly inaccessible technology”, due to a lack of support from local partners and supporting materials.

The college hadn’t previously moved to Vista because of the back end. “The reason we didn’t deploy Vista was not because of any concerns with the operating system, but our back end was not quite ready to cater for it,” said Bannan.

A further stimulus was the fact that the college had a substantial rollout of 600 new desktops and laptops scheduled for the end of 2009. “It was probably going to take as much work to bring in those 600 to the existing structure as to roll out a new one,” said Bannan.

The server rollout went ahead of the desktop migration, as Bannan said it allowed the college to use Microsoft’s deployment tools. The college already had a small number of servers running Windows Server 2000 and 2003 handling some core applications running on SQL Server.

When the release candidate of Server 2008 R2 came out, the college implemented that version in its infrastructure, upgrading to the release to manufacuring version as it came out around May 2009. Several months later, it had also brought its Active Directory identity management system up to speed.

The physical rollout of the desktop machines started in December 2009 and finished in mid-February, with the college’s IT team taking advantage of the long Christmas break enjoyed by schools and their students. “We got back to work on January 4,” Bannan remembered.

Lessons
In general, Bannan (pictured) said the rollout went ahead without many hiccups. The school didn’t bring in any outside contractors and completed the upgrade with minimal financial spend. “All the technical information that we needed was available either through TechNet or through the community or through our own internal [expertise],” said Bannan.

The IT manager said Microsoft had done a really good job with its latest suite of products — both Windows 7, but also with its back-office bundle of Server, SQL Server, IIS, Exchange, Active Directory and so on. “It’s bulletproof,” he said, noting he was particularly impressed with the new integration between the various server products.

“They’ve actually achieved this relationship between the client and server side and are doing a good job of bringing all the other back-end products into play as well. What we’re seeing now is a tighter integration across the back end. That is wonderful.”

That sort of integration, Bannan said, was great for environments like St Leonard’s as it allowed the college’s IT team to manage most of their infrastructure through one vendor and thus saving on licensing costs and management overhead time.

“You see this benefit in environments like ours where you have a very small technical team compared to the size of the infrastructure,” he said. The one problem, Bannan said, was not that not enough IT professionals knew about the high degree of integration between Microsoft products.

“That’s a problem that they really need to overcome,” he said, noting the quality of the company’s Hyper-V virtualisation product as a further example.

The biggest problem that St Leonard’s had with its rollout was the need to deploy a number of old educational applications to the new desktops. The college used Microsoft’s System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM) tool to deploy Windows 7 and the software, and Bannan said its core applications deployed fine or could be easily virtualised.

However, he said, there were a number of smaller curriculum applications that couldn’t be deployed or weren’t compatible with the new infrastructure. Obtaining signed third-party drivers around devices like printers was also a problem — St Leonards actually ended up using a Verisign tool to certify drivers itself.

“That worked well,” said Bannan, noting the available documentation and availability of tools from Microsoft was “excellent”.

The college found viable alternatives for a number of the legacy applications — sometimes from the open source world. Bannan said there are “a number of very, very good cross-platform educational applications.

“We went back to the business and said ‘It’s probably time to find an alternative’,” he said. “Fortunately the business has been pretty comfortable with upgrading software.” However St Leonards is still looking at what to do about some problematic software — “probably some sort of application packaging,” said Bannan.

The rollout also had the side benefit that the IT team discovered there were some applications that nobody was using at all any more.

Bannan said he would have liked to have had more time to do application testing. “When you consider how much we could have spent on the project and didn’t spend on the project, you couldn’t be too upset,” he said. “There is always a price to pay somewhere and that was it.”

During the rollout, St Leonards had actually planned to be able to roll back to Windows XP and Netware as a “seriously last-ditch” fall-back option if the Windows 7 rollout went disastrously wrong.

However, Bannan said it went better than expected. The college’s standard operating environment isn’t quite the vanilla Windows 7 install, but Bannan said it has proved to be “pretty bulletproof” anyway.

In one example, the IT team actually rolled out the desktop version of the SOE to a bunch of laptops accidentally — and didn’t notice for a while because the operating system handled the mistake with only a few small hiccups such as a lack of Bluetooth drivers.

Similarly, St Leonards found that it was able to easily deploy and run Windows 7 on hardware that was one or two years old, rather than being brand new. “It has worked perfectly,” he said. “Actually when you think about it, it’s the first operating system created which needs fewer resources than its predecessor.”

Bannan said St Leonard’s IT team had been expecting a spike in calls to the helpdesk when staff and students came back from holidays to find their shiny new but probably slightly alien Windows 7 desktops. “But actually support calls went down,” he said.

The users responded well to the change, he said, noting he had expected the new technology to confuse people. Support calls went back up, however, once users realised they couldn’t access certain applications.

Ultimately it appears as if proper consideration of St Leonard’s back-end server infrastructure and its integration with the client (which after all, is part of Microsoft’s enterprise IT vision) was one of the keys to the college’s rollout success — and a fact that bodes well for other organisations looking to conduct a Microsoft upgrade to the Windows 7 platform soon.

“It’s gone much better than anyone expected. A lot of things that we haven’t had to worry about,” said Bannan.

James Bannnan is a long-time contributor to APC and ACPMag.com -- and is the author of our ever-popular dual-booting how-tos.

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agami (New user):

From my experience with DEECD I know that they'll be skipping Vista and going straight to 7 with what is by now an in-progress rolling refresh of some 300,000 devices.

Microsoft offers educational institutions some extreme discounts on licenses, which unfortunately for the students in the public secondary schools makes it very difficult for any other platform to get in there.

17 March 2010, 8:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (New user):

Quoting agami:
which unfortunately for the students in the public secondary schools makes it very difficult for any other platform to get in there.

Why is it unfortunate for the students?
I suspect that most of the students have been brought up on Windows systems anyway so good on Microsoft for cutting overal costs.
If any other platform wants to get in on it then they will just have to match what MS offer.......




17 March 2010, 10:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting TV Bis:
I suspect that most of the students have been brought up on Windows systems anyway so good on Microsoft for cutting overal costs.


So what if they use Windows at home? They should be getting taught how to learn, not having a few scripts embedded into their heads. The platforms they want to do this one are irrelevent (which is why, though I can't stand Macs, I am all for Apple computers in schools).


Quoting TV Bis:
If any other platform wants to get in on it then they will just have to match what MS offer.......


Let's see - Free vs MS pricing is possible. Why is that ignored? Usually because the MS FUD machine says there's too much cost in changing, by assuming large costs for training to the new platform, but ignoring training costs associated with MS software (which changes often and needs it every time anyway).

18 March 2010, 9:24 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (New user):

Quoting Tin:
(which is why, though I can't stand Macs, I am all for Apple computers in schools).
Thank God for freedom of choice!
I know that if a student hasn't got the luxury of having a computer in his or her home (and there are many still who cannot afford) I would much prefer the student to be familiar with PC then MAC PC. The chance of the person using a MAC in their workplace is lower. Maybe that will change in time but going by what I have seen over the years I won't hold my breath!
I have problems now with people not understanding how to use a PC because they have only learnt on a MAC. Knowing that most companies use PC I find this attitude to be a little annoying......


Let's see - Free vs MS pricing is possible. Why is that ignored?

It's human nature- when something is offered for free you normally would think twice about using it. You imediatly think that it is inferior to a product that costs money to purchase. Yes I know that is not the case but people and companies think that way a lot of the times.




18 March 2010, 2:11 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting TV Bis:
I know that if a student hasn't got the luxury of having a computer in his or her home (and there are many still who cannot afford) I would much prefer the student to be familiar with PC then MAC PC.


I didn't mean Apple only - I meant having some as an option. At the school I work for, we have mostly WinXP, 1 usable Mac (though it's lost it's home so it's on my desk as an ornament), and our Linux server is accessible by all students and staff via XDMCP (X Display Manager Control Protocol - similar to RDP).

18 March 2010, 3:08 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting TV Bis:
Why is it unfortunate for the students?

I'd always thought learning was about open minds and exposure to as wider variety of opportunity as possible. To miss out on those opportunities is very unfortunate.


Quoting TV Bis:
I suspect that most of the students have been brought up on Windows systems

All the more reason to offer student access to MACs and Linux and other opportunities. Or are computers in schools to be seen as they are by many parents in homes as a form of electronic child minding?


Quoting TV Bis:
If any other platform wants to get in on it then they will just have to match what MS offer.......

The reality is other platforms do offer competitive and matching offers. You saw Bannans throwaway reference to Linux, its the typical comfy chair (because its someone else's money) we see from so many IT managers. In a commercial environment I can accept this in an educational environment the one eyed view is inexcusable.
Would we provide our children with Japanese history textbooks because they offered the best deal? WWII wont get a mention but that's OK because the textbooks were the best offer.





18 March 2010, 10:12 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Raindog:
Would we provide our children with Japanese history textbooks because they offered the best deal? WWII wont get a mention but that's OK because the textbooks were the best offer.



Unfortunately that's becoming the norm in schools as far as I can tell. In IT it's particularly nasty because the end financial decisions tend to be forced by accountants who couldn't tell the difference between a Pentium Dual Core (yes, this is still the CPU of choice for DET NSW) and a stick of DDR2 RAM.

18 March 2010, 10:36 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

I love the Japanese textbook analogy. I'm going to use that one, if you don't mind.

18 March 2010, 10:49 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

BrownieBoy (User):

Bannan's monthly columns of Microsoft advertising (just like this article) have, for some time, shown him to be something of a joke as an "APC journalist". Now we get to see what he's like at his day job

Linux is "fairly inaccessible technology"? Hmmm... Couldn't be bothered to deal with anything outside of their own comfort zone sounds more like it. Far better to pour all your money down Microsoft's throat "thus saving on licensing costs". And then do the same thing all over again in three years time. I'm sure all the students must be over the moon to see where their tuition fees are going.

And to think that I just took out a subscription to APC. I wonder if it's too late to cancel it?


17 March 2010, 10:40 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting BrownieBoy:
Linux is "fairly inaccessible technology"? Hmmm... Couldn't be bothered to deal with anything outside of their own comfort zone sounds more like it.


Generally I agree... Though for schools there can be issues with so much software expecting Windows, IE6 and admin rights (and since we run IE8 and very few users are admins, I hate it even on Windows).

Students are in fact very fast to work out what they want on an alternative OS, and in a group, are even faster. We've had a Linux box in the library, and it got used often. Students would sit down, quickly discover where the programs were listed, and guess which ones they needed. If they guessed wrong, they would try again.

Staff on the other hand will almost universally say "It's too different" and demand something else. This one works both ways, with one (senior) staff member demanding a Mac for 3 months on arrival because "PCs are stupid". With a few weeks or months of being forced into the change, most will become quite happy, or at least neutral about it. The rest probably shouldn't be using a computer anyway.

18 March 2010, 1:37 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

K (User):

I don't come from an education background, and don't have any experience in school IT... but how feasible is the suggestion of giving students some systems admin responsibilities (on a limited scale)? Especially senior students with an interest in majoring in IT?

Just a thought, after James' comment on Linux's limited support. Most tech-savvy teenagers that I've encountered have a scary amount of knowledge (probably due to an amount of free time up their sleeve that most adults would envy).

18 March 2010, 10:44 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

dateman (New user):

All very well if you are getting the massive edu discounts but our biggest beef with MS atm is the endless gouging on the CALs on the backend. You mentioned "Server, SQL Server, IIS, Exchange, Active Directory" and you had better make damn sure just because you have the server license, that you are actually legally allowed to access them, and for that you need a lot of CALs.

18 March 2010, 12:42 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting dateman:
for that you need a lot of CALs.


DET NSW has that problem at the moment - Win 2k8 R2 is free for all schools, but if you want terminal servers, your choices are Linux, or thousands of dollars on CALs for Win Server.

18 March 2010, 12:57 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

agami (New user):

I just want to thank the students that contributed to this discussion.
We go on philosophising about how this way is better than that way, we might even in our professional lives have a forum in which to make some changes, and somewhere along the way we might even doubt our conviction, but to hear it from the people who are directly affected reaffirms my resolve.

Thanks.

18 March 2010, 8:14 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Peter Mac (New user):

My initial reaction to this article was a cringe at another 2000 windownians being launched into the workforce. Then I read the comments already submitted and saw a small glimmer of hope for competing operating systems. I would love to see (and would gladly offer my time) a comparable educational establishment implementing a GNU/Linux deployment. It would be very interesting to let the accountants run their rulers over the debits and credits, not just of the project, but of the longer term opening of minds and use of open source software by the individuals it touches.

18 March 2010, 8:26 PM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

 x  (User):

hahahahaha, oh wow!.

I'm going to have to agree with BrownieBoy on this one. A bunch of useless MS marketing.

I read this article in the hope I'd see a few things to keep in mind as I start rolling out W7 to various sites, this article was nothing more than a joke.

Your heading 'Lessons'. ha! I really thought there'd be something useful there, like maybe, some lessons.

lets see...
'The IT manager said Microsoft had done a really good job with its latest suite of products “It’s bulletproof,”'
Isn't there a saying, something similar to, 'they keep making bigger bullets'. It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) people who wear bulletproof vest, are getting shot at (and die,.. frequently).

'hardware that was one or two years old, rather than being brand new.'
Are there any desktop OS's that will not run on two year old hardward?

'“But actually support calls went down,” he said'
really? for one thing, first day, you will have an endless stream of idiotic questions (how to i find explorer?).
Re-installing XP across the network will reduce calls due to less errors on a clean install, so let’s look at the whole picture.

This article was a massive disappointment.

19 March 2010, 11:33 AM (2 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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