Messenger 6 for Mac to miss out on voice, video again

David Flynn
16 September 2006, 5:32 AM


The new Intel-friendly MSN Messenger client for Mac will be released in the next couple of weeks, says Microsoft, but audio and video is another year and another version away.UPDATED: Now with screenshots!


messmac-80.jpgMicrosoft is on target to release version 6.0 of its Macintosh instant messenger client by early October, in some respects bettering Windows Live Messenger, but in the key areas of voice and video, staying a step behind.

"We'll be releasing Messenger for Mac 6 in the next couple of weeks" Mary Starman, group product manager for Microsoft's Macintosh Business Unit (MacBU) told me today in a briefing arranged during the Microsoft Hardware launch.

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Microsoft Messenger for Mac 6 will be a Universal Binary, so it can take full advantage of Intel-powered Macs as well as older PowerPC models. It will communicate with Yahoo! Messenger users, and spellcheck outgoing messages, provide customised status messages, and allow you to roll-your-own emoticons.

It also has iTunes integration: you can now opt to let those in your contact list see what track you're currently listening to in iTunes. This mimics the interplay between Windows Live Messenger and Windows Media Player.

However, the two features which are perhaps the most requested and certainly the most noticeably missing from the Messenger:Mac mix -- audio and video chat -- remain on the to-do list for next year's Messenger 7 release.

The reason, Starman says, is Messenger's unique relationship with Microsoft's pair of very different IM protocols -- Windows Live Messenger for personal messaging and Live Communications Server for enterprise IM.

"AV is something that we have heard very loud and clear from our customers, and it's something that we are working on. We'd hoped to start our AV work sooner. But we support both the Windows Live Messenger platform and LCS. These use two completely different protocols for AV and porting either one of those over to the Mac OS is about a year and a half of developer time."

"The good news is that they're on a path to merge their AV infrastructure. Rather than just do one or just do the other and then end up with throw-away work after a year and a half of dev time, we're currently in the middle of doing AV porting for the merged protocol that they're both moving to".

In the meantime, Messenger 6 still manages to upstage its Windows counterpart in a few areas.

Spelling errors in outgoing messages are flagged with a squiggly red underline with a pop-up menu suggesting replacement words or offering to add words to your to personal dictionary.

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However, while pedants may love it, this will probably end up as the first feature that most users disable. I doubt many people really care about having perfect spelling in on-the-fly instant message chats.

More appealing are the DIY emoticons which can be created by importing any suitably-sized GIF or JPG image. Specify a keystroke shortcut such as (mac) and the emoticon is ready to use, and is also added to the drop-down emoticon box.

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The first time you use your DIY emoticon in a chat it takes a few seconds for the graphic to be sent and displayed in your friend's Messenger window, but thereafter it's just as immediate as any inbuilt emoticon. Other users can include your emoticon to their own library.

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The Messenger 6 also separates the Personal and Corporate chat tabs from Messenger 5.x into two separate windows. The feature to synchronise their status, so that selecting Busy in one causes the other to change to the same status (if online), has been made more accessible.

IT administrators can also disable the Personal chat window. "This is really helpful for enterprise IT administrators because they can decide whether or not they want to deploy the personal client for their enterprise users" explained Sheridan Jones, Lead Marketing Manager for the MacBU.

Icons next to the names of contacts indicate if they belong to the networks of Windows Live Messenger or, in the Messenger 6 'personal' screen, Yahoo! Messenger. Access to AOL and thus Apple's iChat (the free .Mac iChat account is really just an AOL account in fancy dressing) remains limited to Enterprise users working via Live Communications Server.

David Flynn met with the MacBU team during his visit to Seattle for Microsoft's 2006 Hardware Launch as a guest of Microsoft.


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Dan:

Lame.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tony:

2.

Email.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Steven:

Obvious attempt at pushing people from mac to windows.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

gunny:

i second that ...lame!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Dave:

I wouldn't blame Microssoft's MacBU for not having AV. MSN for mac is more pleasant to use than the Windows counterpart, despite lacking some features. I find myself not bogged down with useless things like nudges and alerts and games that just plain suck. I can't rationalize staying on windows just to have Windows Messenger. There are other apps available for mac, and compramises can be made. The day they add AV to messenger mac, they won't need to make any more upgrades for a while.

If you want to blame something for not having AV, blame the people who implemented Microsoft's msn servers, just like adium, it's really a matter of protocols used.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Mattyg:

then why has dmsn had it for ages? i mean for god sake, just how much long are you going to put this off for? oh by all means roll out the features that should have been in the current version now, BIG WHOOP.

the mac bnu is a part of M$ so they should just draft in a few people who work on the protocols to work in the unit for a while, unless they don't have any/they've been fired/had chair thrown at. you know i should have to be saying how a company as big as this should be run! but then again with all the slipage of the main stream apps we really shouldn't be surpised, the whole thing sounds so mismanaged

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Zac:

Do people actually use Messenger? I don't know anyone that uses it for Windows let alone for Mac.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Anand Batta:

Did it take aMsn devs 1.5 yrs to implement AV?

Lame reasoning.

And we're talking about the largest technology company on this planet.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jaz:

actually, Messenger is the preferred messaging tool in just about all countries besides America

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Henrik-DK:

FORGET ABOUT MS MESSENGER FOR MAC!!!

Just download and use latest version og Skype which works perfectly as to both voice and video between Macs and PCs:

http://tinyurl.com/ke3p9

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tom:

Really.. what numba 10 says
get over the msn for mac
if u want to use msn
GET A REAL COMPUTER

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply
29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

matias:

i found this really cool .. since video via msn actualy SUCKS!.. the quality dude ..XD.. so .. its a nice version ..
use skype for the other things .. in this version .. comes all that i want =)

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Lefebvre:

Shame on you, Microsoft... again.

If Apple realese iChat for windows, MSN will die.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Bubbleman:

Who wants AV chat anyways? Totaly uninteresting....
Chat tabs, in the chat window, now theres something interesting...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Boudj:

"If Apple realese iChat for windows, MSN will die."

Windows sucks. Mac Os X rules.

At least iTunes is the same in either Windows or Mac. You don't see Apple playing hard ball with the Windows world. Why does Microsoft have to be so retarded with one of the most popular IM Clients?

To that I say go ahead Apple either release iChat for windows or at the very least do the collaborative thing with MSN like Yahoo did...force Microsoft's hand to be a better player because I am just about ready to ditch WLM for Yahoo Messenger on the Mac platform.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Shahram:

"At least iTunes is the same in either Windows or Mac"

ahh... but you forget that Apple makes a TON of money because of its windows port. iTunes maybe free but its a loss leader to spur sales of iPods and iTMS media.

The MacBU are a tiny group. The only product they have now that actually makes $ is Office. I really don't see them getting much support from their bigger windows divisions for Mac MSN. So while the windows division might have like 10-20 people, the MacBU can only afford to assign 1-2 people max.

this is a really great post by a guy at MacBU. check it out...

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

one-d:

oh we need a visual refresh!

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

brandon:

stupid, completely IDIOTICLY LAME

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

nashie:

i have a imac, and i have a great camera, shame i CAN'T USE IT since all of my friends are lamno pc users!, shame on you msn messenger, maybe take some hints from ichat

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Andres B:

is there another aplication to video chat with messenger contacts....

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Alan:

Yes there is, get mercury messenger for the mac, it has all the things that microsoft messenger misses out including video chat but no audio though, and it supports msn and windows live accounts.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MAC-MAD:

msn sucks
skype sucks
i chat sucksss

ICQ RULEZZZZZZZ

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

xhili:

LAME!!!!

stupid company proudly gives interviews about their idiocy. amazing peeps buy their rubbish.

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Trimoon:

When they are going to update MSN on mac computer

29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Michele:

It boggles my mind that messenger for Mac has no AV. As to why people want AV, my brother is deaf and all his friends use it to sign to each other instead of typing.

How does SKYPE for just video work? He obviously doesn't need voice.


29 February 2008, 8:34 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

P-A:

Video conference has got to be on the adgenda people


29 February 2008, 8:29 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ruth:

hey
i have an apple macbook with built in isight and i was wondering of you can use it with mac messenger?

29 February 2008, 8:30 PM (4 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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