Microsoft begs hardware makers: don't screw Windows 7 like Vista

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Angus Kidman06 November 2008, 9:09 AM

Microsoft confirms Windows 7 public beta and begs hardware companies to take driver support seriously this time.


Microsoft has confirmed that there will be a widespread public beta of Windows 7 in early 2009, while urging device manufacturers to start immediate testing with its pre-beta release to avoid the widespread hardware compatibility problems that contributed so much to the negative perception of Vista.

APC is on the ground at Microsoft's WinHEC conference in Los Angeles, following hard on the heels of its Professional Developers Conference, which is the second major public outing for Windows 7 in a month. But while PDC was all about convincing developers to start working with Windows 7, WinHEC is focused squarely on hardware manufacturers.

Driver problems with popular devices were one of the main reasons why Vista came across like five years of wasted effort when it originally debuted, a fact acknowledged by Microsoft executives as they opened WinHEC. "When we shipped Vista, we immediately started getting quite a lot of feedback," Jon DeVaan, senior vice president of the Windows Core Operating System Division, said in his opening remarks.

While DeVaan is adamant that 95% of PCs now have good driver support, Microsoft doesn't want a repeat of that experience when Windows 7 comes around, and thus constantly emphasised the need to cooperate with hardware builders. "Ecosystem readiness is a super-important part of the lessons learned," DeVaan said.

That may be slightly easier because Windows 7 represents a less radical evolution for hardware companies. "In Vista, we changed a lot of our device driver models and other things at low levels of the system," DeVaan said. "For Windows 7, we have the tenet that if something works on Vista, it really should work on Windows 7."

Indeed, while Windows 7 has an enhanced driver installation model that is designed to simplify installation, many of its features are implemented via XML and other information stored in what's known as the Device Display Object. In theory, hardware manufacturers can simply add those components to their existing Vista driver rather than rewriting the entire code base.

However, the window of opportunity (ahem) for relatively private testing won't be wide. Windows vice president Steven Sinofsky confirmed that Microsoft hopes to have a widespread release of an official Windows 7 beta in early 2009. Although widely available both via its PDC and WinHEC appearances and through numerous illegal torrent sites, the current Windows 7 release is the internal M3 candidate, which is missing many new UI features and isn't being touted as feature-complete, but rather as a pre-beta. (Most of the demos at WinHEC, incidentally, were on later internal builds.)

"The pre-beta is about bringing you to the milestone 3 build," Sinofsky said. "The next step is really going to be the beta," Sinofsky said, suggesting it will be released in a feature-complete version "early in the next year" and "will go out very broadly".

As part of that scheme, Microsoft plans to co-operate with hardware manufacturers to ensure they can get their own customers to participate in the beta. "We're looking to make that super easy," Sinofsky said. It's hard to imagine companies like Apple — whose lateness in releasing a Vista-compatible version of iTunes was widely viewed as an attempt to derail Vista at launch — co-operating on that front.

While there's no official release date for Windows 7, Microsoft still seems to keen to stick to a rumoured 2009 launch. The conference notes for WinHEC include this comment: "There is not another WinHEC planned before Windows 7 is released." Better hope that testing goes well. 


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Tin (Regular user):

Oh please, MS... The reason people didn't like Vista at release was because it's slow and bloated, and offered nothing XP didn't already provide (at least for the big businesses MS hoped would shell out millions for it).

06 November 2008, 9:24 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

TV Bis (User):

Quoting Tin:
The reason people didn't like Vista at release was because it's slow and bloated, and offered nothing XP didn't already provide

How can you say this? Are you saying that everyone in the world used the Beta and decided not to upgrade? How would they know it was bloated and slow if they hadn't even used the Beta prior to the release? Yes there were issues but the blame should be placed on the negativity of the media and a minority of MS haters. I found the release of Vista easier then the initial release of XP. I still sit here scratching my head at comments made about a product which is far superior then XP and laugh about how everyone is hoping Windows 7 will be far better. Yes it may be better in areas that should have been fixed originally in Vista but what would you expect a product to be released with even fewer enhancements? I agree with MS when they said "don't wait for Windows 7", upgrade now as most of the benefits are already there in Vista. As always in business if a product doesn’t sell then repackage it, give it a slightly different look and name and hey presto - it's better! I'd love to see how much companies spend on finding out how the human mind functions........


06 November 2008, 10:10 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

darkx (New user):

Are you actually serious with this comment? It seems by its length that you are, however it begs the question to whether or not you are somehow subsidized by Microsoft. I would consider myself an advanced user, if not an expert, in the world of computing, yet I have been solely a Windows user my whole life. However, I absolutely was appalled by the wait times, load times, etc. by Vista. Microsoft expected the user to continually keep Vista in a state of "stand-by" or "hibernate" to increase its speed (cutting out boot time). However, with the majority of the public in a state of panic in an "energy crisis," I cannot see how this is a reasonable SOP.

I hate to be negative to you, but I really do not thnk you have the facts staight. Otherwise, you may have possibly purchased a brand new computer and Vista was lightning fast, before you installed anything on it. However, even this is a bit of an exaggeration, since the "patch-model" for Vista is a complete disaster.

You are the second person I have heard of that liked Vista and the other one I knew never used it.

07 November 2008, 1:59 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Regular user):

Quoting darkx:
You are the second person I have heard of that liked Vista and the other one I knew never used it.

I must be the third person then :)




07 November 2008, 12:47 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Quoting Me In Oz:
I must be the third person then

Shouldn't that be "Me In Oz stated that he must be the third person"?


07 November 2008, 12:56 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (Senior Forumologist):

Most of the Vista driver issues were a result of the cloud of secrecy and from MS trying to shaft hardware vendors with onerous contract terms.

Hopefully this time around MS has realised it needs the industry as much as the industry needs it.


06 November 2008, 9:37 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

CBR1100XX (Regular user):

This call-to-arms should be particularly directed at Soundblaster !

06 November 2008, 10:51 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (Regular user):

Quoting CBR1100XX:
This call-to-arms should be particularly directed at Soundblaster !

The sale of plug-in cards from SB and others, nosedived drastically when Vista came out not just because of the anomosity between MS and SB, but was also due to the quality of the on-board audio being shipped with motherboards in general.

The signal to noise ratio might not have been as good as the dedicated cards but who cares when your graphics card fan was screaming away while playing Crysis !

06 November 2008, 11:55 AM (8 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

I know we don't agree on much, but that's 100% true... I probably won't bother sticking the old SB card into my new motherboard when I upgrade next. Onboard has improved so much it's not funny.

07 November 2008, 12:31 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

xtronics (New user):

Too busy working on Linux drivers to care: I suppose we have reached the tipping point, but M$ hasn't figured it out yet. (They have their heads in the cloud computing buzz). I never thought that Taiwanese house-wives would be the ones to trigger the change - EEE-PC and all. How to short M$ stock with some kind of long term move?

07 November 2008, 12:03 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

xtronics (New user):

Too busy working on Linux drivers to care: I suppose we have reached the Linux tipping point, but M$ hasn't figured it out yet. (They have their heads in the cloud computing buzz). I never thought that Taiwanese house-wives would be the ones to trigger the change - EEE-PC and all. How to short M$ stock with some kind of long term move?

07 November 2008, 12:03 PM (7 months ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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