Monster unveils $1,800 cable -- "very expensive, unfortunately"

Angus Kidman
08 January 2009, 10:02 PM


Monster Cable's event at CES had hype and hoopla, but nothing could conceal the fact that Monster exists to fleece the wallets of rich suckers.


Life is full of surprises. I always thought Monster Cable existed to flog high-priced cables to mildly gullible Mum-and-Dad consumers, but it turns out to be more like an evangelical religion if its CES press conference this year is any guide. Surreal is not the word. If Tom Cruise walked in, I would not be even mildly astonished.


Even before self-styled Head Monster and company founder Noel Lee (below) rolls onto the stage on his Segway, there’s an air of cultivated manic fervour. We’re serenaded by nackground music in the form of a slow R&B jam endlessly repeating the Monster name and intoning “H D M I”, while name-checking a few other key technologies (PlayStation, anyone?).


Lee’s favoured audience interaction technique is to repeatedly call for acclamation whenever he announces anything, whether it’s a new cable speed or a partnership with a new technology company. “Clap your hands!” he cajoles. “Let's give it a hand, please! If you like that idea, can you give us some applause please?”

That apparently works pretty well with the retail outlets whose support Monster has expertly cultivated over the years, and who will show up in droves this Friday for the company’s annual retailer awards in Las Vegas, complete with a concert by Diana Ross. (“It ain't about the money for this lady,” Lee proclaims, but I’ll bet she’s not appearing for the cost of her hotel room.)

Whatever its merits in channel development, I’m not at all convinced this kind of audience manipulation is appropriate for a press conference. Last time I checked, I was a reporter, not a cheerleader. I don't have the lungs, the legs or the lugs for it, and I don’t think it’s my job to act as an unthinking enthusiast for every last word that emerges at a launch.

But I’m probably in the minority. “Do you guys like that product?” Lee urges. “Yeah, it's awesome,” screams a hack next to me. I resist the urge to slap him.

And what is all this hyperbole in aid of? In one breath, Lee is telling us about Monster’s new Hyper Speed cable, which can apparently transmit data at 21.9 GBps. “There is a need for speed as manufacturers increase the data rate. We need better and better cables.” As well as being quick, it’s apparently a masterpiece of design. “Physically, the Hyper Speed cable, even though it's twice the bandwidth, is actually smaller in size.” How is it done? “Through metallurgy, through new techniques; it's a very expensive technology unfortunately ...”

That allusion aside, he doesn’t mention the price tag, which starts at $US200 and ranges up to $US1,800. For a cable. “Can I hear some applause for that product?” Not from my wallet, I’m thinking. There’s a similarly pricey 50-foot cable developed in partnership with Gennum, which starts at $US1,000.

“Running lengths over 50 foot are darn near impossible on HDMI at any speed,” Lee explains. For a four-figure price tag, drilling a hole through the relevant wall might well be cheaper.

Perhaps anticipating that reaction, Monster is also heading downmarket. “We're going higher in speeds, but the consumer is telling us ‘Monster, you only make high-performance, high- price cable, we need something that's not so high-performance. We just want something to hook up our stuff with!’” And which doesn’t cost more than the player it’s connected to, possibly.

For these heretics, Monster is offering a $US39 cable in cardboard packaging, though the science is conspicuously lacking in that case. “We're not speed rating this particular product, but it does provide the connection,” Lee says. As do many anonymous HDMI cables purchased on eBay direct from the Hong Kong manufacturer.

Somewhere between these two price extremes, Monster is partnering with HP for a co-branded range of USB, Ethernet and FireWire cables, due out later this year. “We wish you nothing but upside,” gushes HP marketing VP Carlos Montalvo during his brief appearance.

Aside from all the cabling, Monster is also rolling out a bunch of UPS products (which I’m guessing won’t be hitting Australia any time soon) and expanding its range of headphones, co-branded by hip-hop icon Dr Dre. Dre “"blesses everything that we do", Lee explains, adding further to the religious air. “It has become icon-ish thanks to your help. Can I hear some applause if you like the idea of beats in your ear?” I’d sit on my hands if I wasn’t taking photos.

Monster also has a record label which releases HDS surround recordings, though in a rare moment of hubris Lee confesses that this hasn’t resulted in a lot of big sellers. “We haven't broken through. We never did it in a genre that was really relevant to the consumer.”

To try and break that jinx, Monster has partnered with rapper Ludacris and will be releasing an HDS mix of his 2008 album Theater Of The Mind. Ludacris himself graces the stage and makes some rather remarkable comments, none more so than this: “I've been a fan of Monster Cable for a very long time. To partner with my man here is amazing to me.” I guess it qualifies as tech bling.



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brettlee (New user):

Can I get an OMG, please?!?!?!

08 January 2009, 10:55 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Errr... They are going to market headphones blessed by Dr Dre? A rapper approving them really doesn't convince me of their acoustical performance. They generally don't even care about their own!

08 January 2009, 11:58 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick (New user):

ha these guys tried to sue monster mini golf over trade mark infringement. http://gizmodo.com/393365/monster-cable-sues-monster-mini-golf-for-you-guessed-it-name-confusion

09 January 2009, 12:00 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

The Penguin (User):

Quoting Rick:

ha these guys tried to sue monster mini golf over trade mark infringement.

Hmmm... A company that makes AV cables and a mini golf course seem a bit different and are not something that would be easily confused.


09 January 2009, 1:35 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

monstercable (New user):

Hi there Rick, actually this has been resolved amicably by both parties. You can read/listen to an article by National Public Radio, a government funded American radio station.

11 January 2009, 8:36 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Ausman (New user):

I'd love to see someone technically compare Monster cables to the cheaper equivalent and see if there's actually any difference or they are just full of it. If they want cheering they should hire cheerleaders... only in the US - In Oz he'd get the finger ;-)

09 January 2009, 1:57 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Ausman:
I'd love to see someone technically compare Monster cables to the cheaper equivalent and see if there's actually any difference or they are just full of it.

What Monster Labs in house tests not good enough for you? Can't you hear the lack of oxygen in the cables? Next thing you'll be telling me the Ponds institute isn't real either. :>



09 January 2009, 3:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

monstercable (New user):

Actually Ausman, we already did something like that. You can see the video on our home page -- go to Monstercable.com and look for the "HDMI testing" button in the upper-middle.

Also, the big complaint online is that our cables are overpriced. We actually offer a range of cables, at a range of prices, made to accommodate a range of digital devices. People are free to educate themselves and make an appropriate selection.

Also, we make a premium product and we don't apologize for it -- it looks better than the competition, feels nicer, the build quality is superior, and we offer the best warranty in the business. We stand by our products.

11 January 2009, 8:36 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting monstercable:
the big complaint online is that our cables are overpriced.


That's not complaints... We're all laughing at the fools that buy them.

Quoting monstercable:
it looks better than the competition


Oh, that's important... Suddenly I see the price as reasonable, what with it being a fashion accessory.


Quoting monstercable:
feels nicer


Also important, since I know how much I rub myself against my AV cables... Awwwwww yeah....
Wait, no I don't... I plug them into the AV gear and don't touch them again for years.

11 January 2009, 9:39 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

monstercable (New user):

Why would you laugh at people who buy our cables? If you understand what their needs are and you see them making an inappropriate purchase, why wouldn't you step in to help out? This stuff is complicated, folks, and if you aren't a massive nerd like me it can be tough to make the right choice. Why not help someone else out and make their day? Who knows, your decision to help them out could lead to world peace :P

Regarding the appearance and feel -- everything you buy gives you a certain feeling. We want people to know they've purchased something that is top quality, and we want them feeling good about the choice because we want them to feel the way we do about home theater -- passionate. Those craptastic matte-black $6 jobbers you can buy online don't impart any part of that experience. It's the difference between buying a laptop from Gateway and one from Apple.

11 January 2009, 9:54 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting monstercable:
Why would you laugh at people who buy our cables?

Because despite reasonable advice they still choose to sucked in by slick marketing? Next question?


Quoting monstercable:
If you understand what their needs are and you see them making an inappropriate purchase, why wouldn't you step in to help out?

We do! That's why we have chosen to debunk the fanciful and mostly unproven technical claims. But after that we still often get to laugh at the gullibility.



Quoting monstercable:
This stuff is complicated, folks

So complicated, it most of the bizarre claims are never even discussed for the duration of an an engineering degree.
When you guys introduce problems that don't exist you sure do complicate things for the mug consumer.


Quoting monstercable:
and if you aren't a massive nerd like me it can be tough to make the right choice.

regardless of what size of nerd you are, you are going against the norm by choosing to ignore basic physics.




Quoting monstercable:
Why not help someone else out and make their day?

Again we do. And I'm sure when we are successful in doing so it doesn't make your or Mr Monsters day.


Quoting monstercable:
Who knows, your decision to help them out could lead to world peace

World peace is far too difficult, I'd rather concentrate my efforts on something more achievable like "trade practices".


Quoting monstercable:
We want people to know they've purchased something that is top quality, and we want them feeling good about the choice because we want them to feel the way we do about home theater

when the light sare out how good are you supposed to feel about some jack pugs at the back of your receiver? Using over priced cables is akin to putting magnesium alloy wheels on a work truck. The only benefit is some misguided brag value.


Quoting monstercable:
Those craptastic matte-black $6 jobbers you can buy online don't impart any part of that experience.

Maybe but the $10 ones will achieve all that is required and offer a massive saving. If I want an experience I'll go to Luna Park or catch a Sydney cab. Good cables are neither seen nor heard.


Quoting monstercable:
It's the difference between buying a laptop from Gateway and one from Apple.

So it's an apples and oranges difference? yeah lets compare two entirely different products for different applications.

Sorry monsters all but we don't buy it. Where is the independent research? Even the testimonials from your website come from employees.

And when you see on the same website ultra fidelity (and again expensive) cables offered for a Lo Fi medium like MP3 then their is every reason to doubt the validity of of every claim made.


11 January 2009, 11:18 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting monstercable:
and we want them feeling good about the choice because we want them to feel the way we do about home theater


No, I suspect you actually just want them to feel like buying another expensive cable.


Quoting monstercable:
Those craptastic matte-black $6 jobbers you can buy online don't impart any part of that experience.


And thus I don't buy them. As I said before, I generally expect to pay somewhere around $100-$200 for a long (10-20m) cable for AV use.

Quoting monstercable:
t's the difference between buying a laptop from Gateway and one from Apple.


Oh... So Monstercables are now openly admitting to building cheap cables with a shiny packaging? Be careful what you say as you try to defend your overpriced product... There's a lot of quick-witted people here.

12 January 2009, 12:16 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

tunagirll (New user):

Quoting monstercable:
Also, we make a premium product and we don't apologize for it -- it looks better than the competition, feels nicer, the build quality is superior, and we offer the best warranty in the business. We stand by our products.

Aren't all HDMI monster cables manufactured in China?

18 January 2009, 2:31 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting tunagirll:
Aren't all HDMI monster cables manufactured in China?

Yes but only in the premium areas of China. You have to wonder what a price premium Monster pays to it's Chinese manufacturers?

Part's of Beijing are so polluted people struggle for Oxygen perhaps that's where the Oxygen free cable is manufactured? :>


18 January 2009, 3:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Everybody knows regular cables left overnight near snake oil, will offer equivalent performance to Monster Cable for any given task.

09 January 2009, 1:09 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

McBanjo (New user):

Bandwidth of a cable is not what excites me, nor anyone. Show me a side-by-side comparison of why your 3x more expensive cable has a 3x better picture and I'll buy it. Otherwise, keeping sucking in those gullible mums and dads. That guys looks like a white guy with an asian face, lulz.

09 January 2009, 1:53 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pauly (New user):

Nice one douche, you go hook up your plasma and hifi with the cables that came in the box. i'll buy a system half the price and use quality cables and have better picture and sound quality. Not necessarily monster cable but it'll still be roughly 10% of the systems cost. And a lot of the music produced by Dr Dre is of a very high quality. Rap sounds so much better with high quality equipment like headphones as the individual instruments are separated clearly

09 January 2009, 2:23 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Pauly:
Nice one douche

Thanks for that, your little outburst helps to establish you are rude as well as being gullible.

Quoting Pauly:
you go hook up your plasma and hifi with the cables that came in the box.

What cables that came in the box? Doubt they will be long enough to reach the remote media racks even if supplied.


Quoting Pauly:
i'll buy a system half the price and use quality cables and have better picture and sound quality.

Wow you use cable that actually improve the output of lesser equipment past the manufacturers specifications? Does your supplier sell bridges too?


Quoting Pauly:
Not necessarily monster cable but it'll still be roughly 10% of the systems cost.

Where did you figure that out? So if I use a $50 HDMI cable for a 19" LCD worth $500, I'd have to fork out $400 for a similar length cable to feed a Top shelf plasma. They saw you coming didn't they?


Quoting Pauly:
And a lot of the music produced by Dr Dre is of a very high quality.

High quality? Isn't he a rapper?


Quoting Pauly:
Rap sounds so much better with high quality equipment

Like over-amped sub-woofers resonating the shell of a rooted Excel? Doof-Doof, suffer the excellence-doof. You do know you can achieve a similar aural experience with a wet eiderdown wrapped around a session amp.


Quoting Pauly:
as the individual instruments are separated clearly

When did a trio of homeboys wrapped in ill fitting clothes become classified as instruments?

Musical taste and dubious fashion aside and back to dubious claims about audio, video and now surprisingly digital cables one needs to apply some simple physics and electrical theory to some of the outrageous claims.

A cable cannot create what isn't there! Anyone with half a clue understands the advantages of low resistance and capacitance all of which can be achieved for a fraction of the 10% you've been convinced of by some slick salesmanship.

As for all the Oxygen free stuff, that is seriously entering into"take your hand of it Trevor, territory". I often run heavy gauge speaker cable that is a fraction of the cost of and is also Vegemite free? Can Monster equal that claim.

If you cannot measure it on test equipment then it just isn't happening. Reality is a bitch, but it's sure as hell accurate.

In my next installment I can bust the myth that red valve caps, and something claiming to be dry nitrogen pumped from the tyre shop compressor will somehow turn a Honda into a race car. Ah, fools and their money. :>



09 January 2009, 3:27 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Pauly:
Nice one douche

Pauly Credibility Score: 0


Quoting Pauly:
i'll buy a system half the price and use quality cables and have better picture and sound quality

Pauly Credibility Score: -1

Quoting Pauly:
high quality equipment like headphones as the individual instruments are separated clearly

Pauly Credibility Score: -2



I wonder if Pauly knows the difference between analog and digital signals...

09 January 2009, 7:50 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Pauly:
Nice one [derogatory term]

Ahah we have a candidate, do we? Nothing like a spot of name calling to put one in the mood for some detailed analysis.

Quoting Pauly:
you go hook up your plasma and hifi with the cables that came in the box. i'll buy a system half the price and use quality cables and have better picture and sound quality.

You are using very special cable indeed then aren't you? Cable that will improve a device's output even beyond it's manufacturer's specifications. Those are very special cables indeedy!
Can you share with us how this miracle occurs? Does the digital signal transfer as zeros and Threes for example, rather than the more conventional zeros and ones? Hope it's not one of those patent pending trade secrets because this is a secret that the whole world could benefit from.

Quoting Pauly:
Not necessarily monster cable

For sure! It would be terrible if such magic was to be restriced to just one organisation. In these difficult financial times I am sure many of the manufacturers of magic beans will be working over-time to perform the re-tooling necessary to produce these wonder cables in a variety of lengths and configurations.

Quoting Pauly:
but it'll still be roughly 10% of the systems cost.

10% eh? How was that figure established? Exhaustive testing at the Ponds Institute?

So from what your telling me a $50 HDMI cable feeding a $500 TV with excellent clarity would have to be replaced with a $400 cable to transfer exactly the same signal across exactly the same distance from exactly the same source device if one was to upgrade the display and use an upper shelf $4000 plasma ?

I guess the budget conscious amongst us could take advantage of the January sales, because if we were purchase that $4000 set for say a $500 discount, we could then achieve the same excellent results with only a $350 dollar cable.
Savings plus excellence now you have got our attention.

Quoting Pauly:
And a lot of the music produced by Dr Dre is of a very high quality.

He does this as a sideline to his ventures into to rap then does he? The rhyming Dr must be extremely versatile?


Quoting Pauly:
Rap sounds so much better with high quality equipment

It's a pity that most of us only get to sample these Rap sounds via the back-shells of other peoples earpieces in crowded railway carriages or via the visibly resonating rear windscreen of some pre-loved Hyundai Excel. Yes a real pity! In fact I'd rather think if this is the only way most of us get to hear these Rap sounds then we'd rather the sacrifice of not hearing them at all.


Quoting Pauly:
as the individual instruments are separated clearly

Instruments? When did it happen that some guy with a dumb look and ill fitting clothing became an instrument? But you do have a point about separation, I find the further I can separate myself from these the Rap sounds, the greater the aural experience that can be achieved.

$1800 cables to view/listen to absolute tripe via digital signals, that is magic, (or was that monster). I guess those that refuse to acknowledge the audible merit of the absence of oxygen will remain sceptics forever.
My own theory is that in at least some cases the absence of oxygen was more likely to have occurred during childbirth than during any audio/visual presentation.

10 January 2009, 9:15 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

monstercable (New user):

Hi there Angus, this is Erik from Monster Cable. To verify that this is a genuine message, feel free to write to esross (AT) monstercable.com.

So, wow, that's a lot of vitriol there Angus. Sorry you feel the way you do about how Noel works an audience -- I used to be a journalist myself and never cheered along with everyone else. If it doesn't work for you and you think it sends a bad message, please let the companies who do it know. I will take this up with Noel (I wasn't at that press conference, and I'm a new employee so I haven't seen any others) in the meantime to see if I can get him to resist in future. What can I say, the man loves his products.

Regarding our products hitting Australia -- I don't have an answer to that. Did you ask anyone at the press conference? Did you ask Noel himself? That was your chance. But if you want an answer, let me know and I'll find out for you.

Finally, regarding our cables. I mentioned to another fellow I replied to here that we offer a range of cables at a range of prices and lengths so that people can buy the one they need. If you have a DVD player, there's no need to buy this new uber-HDMI cable. But if you have a Blu-Ray player outputting 10- or 12-bit color to a massive television at 1080p then cheaper cables sometimes can't cut it. That's where we come in.

Thanks for your time.

11 January 2009, 8:45 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting monstercable:
But if you have a Blu-Ray player outputting 10- or 12-bit color to a massive television at 1080p then cheaper cables sometimes can't cut it.

Even if I did have that, I'd buy a half decent sub-$200 cable.
Let's put it this way... I could use LMR-400 cable for a UHF CB, but it would be a waste of money when RG-58/U would perform just as well.

11 January 2009, 9:36 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting monstercable:
If you have a DVD player, there's no need to buy this new uber-HDMI cable.

Curious then that your web site features magical cables for use wit MP3 players then don't you think? Do you cables recapture all that lost information?


11 January 2009, 11:22 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

monstercable (New user):

We make high quality cables for a wide range of devices. In the example above, I was talking about HDMI cables -- extremely complicated pieces of technology compared to something connected to an MP3 player.

When you think about it, however, it makes sense to need a high-quality cable for an MP3 player. Not so much to "recapture lost information" as you say, but more because that cable will have to be able to withstand a lot of punishment while you work out, travel, etc. with the device. Our cables are all extremely durable -- and if they break, you can at least contact us for a replacement with no worries.

12 January 2009, 4:14 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting monstercable:
We make high quality cables for a wide range of devices.

Never miss an opportunity, eh?


Quoting monstercable:
HDMI cables -- extremely complicated pieces of technology

For some, wire and insulation sure could be complicated. I mean there is resistance, capacitance, and noise immunity to consider and all at once, an extreme challenge indeed. But then you magic cable guys have been able to complicate Ethernet before today so don't I see why HDMI should have missed out on your magic.

From an engineering point of view one of the key parameters a cable should achieve would be value for money, delivering all the other key parameters for a keen price. From that factor alone Monster and others would fail any serious comparative evaluation.


Quoting monstercable:
When you think about it, however, it makes sense to need a high-quality cable for an MP3 player.

Doesn't make sense to require a grossly over priced cable though does it. MP3 is a lossy medium, Ipod an and other players built to a budget spec, the listening environment is noisy and far from ideal, and ultimately you are passing the audio to a car stereo for Pete's sake. Why in a the world of chrome bicycle clips would an over-priced audio cable make any sort of difference that couldn't be matched by one of China's better efforts?


Quoting monstercable:
but more because that cable will have to be able to withstand a lot of punishment while you work out, travel, etc.

And an excessively expensive cable inadvertently caught in a car door will result in many tears both before and after the warranty claim. One could buy 20 better quality cables for less one of your specials, if they go through that many they don't deserve to own an MP3 player anyway, even if it had survived.


Quoting monstercable:
Our cables are all extremely durable

The Military specs them for it's applications does it? Mining companies? No? Police? Emergency services? No? Curious they haven't jumped at your durability.

More to the point if I was to suffer a mishap at the back of my receiver I'd rather see the cable being the sacrificial item than the jack in the back of the amp. Maybe that's the reasoning in you pricing cables at similar rates to the components they connect?


Quoting monstercable:
and if they break, you can at least contact us for a replacement with no worries.

I couldn't, I wasn't silly enough to pay way over the odds for my cables in first place. I'd be contacting you a fair few times to break even though, wouldn't I.



12 January 2009, 9:25 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Pauly (New user):

crap RainMan your a piece of work. Welcome to real life. just because your using a digital medium which uses 1's and 0's doesnt mean that it cant lose something along the way. By your reckoning, a $50 dvd player will sound the same playing music as a $10000 cd player. Listen, dont just read your spectrum analysis. A cable cannot improve a signal but it sure as hell can remove a lot. whether for listening to music via an ipod (which doesnt need to play music in mp3 format) that would convert the signal to analogue.
The 10% to spend on cables is a pretty standard amount in the hi-fi circles. Its not exact but it works out very well. you should also spend decent money on a well isolated stand (this also improves sound quality - if you test it) mains isolation and setting your room up to reduce excess sound absorption or reflection.
Tech heads who spend all their time cannot grasp this as they cant measure it. but you can damn well see and hear the difference.
I do also love your attack on rap music. granted it has been taken over by some poor artists and white record labels. but the grass roots rap/hip hop music (think public enemy and run dmc) is still producing inspirational groups who will change the musical and political landscape for the better, far more than your lazy bubblegum pop/ australian idol background music .

12 January 2009, 1:18 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting Pauly:
just because your using a digital medium which uses 1's and 0's doesnt mean that it cant lose something along the way.


No, but using cables that meet the specs solves that. All cables claiming to be HDMI have to meet this spec. Anything way beyond the specs required is wasted money. And buying cables for the future is dumb... Who says HDMI will be around in 5 years time (I think it'll die because of the crap connectors, but that's me).


Quoting Pauly:
By your reckoning, a $50 dvd player will sound the same playing music as a $10000 cd player.

If it's outputing digital then yes it will.


Quoting Pauly:
whether for listening to music via an ipod that would convert the signal to analogue.


HDMI is digital, and that's what this article was about. No one here is denying that a cable carrying analog can effect the quality of the signal. What we are saying is that $1800 HDMI cable won't make a diddle of difference over something say around $200 worth.


Quoting Pauly:
Tech heads who spend all their time cannot grasp this as they cant measure it. but you can damn well see and hear the difference.


I can see and hear many things, but a digital signal that makes it intact to the receiving end is NOT going to be improved by a better cable. Only if you are getting uncorrectable errors is a better cable going to change things. And trust me... Even untrained users will spot that sort of error (popping, squeaking, green blobs on the screen, etc).


Quoting Pauly:
Welcome to real life.


And welcome to the real world, where physics is a major player. And engineers designing systems take errors of digital signals into account.

12 January 2009, 2:39 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Pauly:
crap RainMan your a piece of work.

I am indeed, feel free to swoon any time you wish. You choose to begin another post reply with an insult, you surely are a sucker for punishment, aren't you.


Quoting Pauly:
Welcome to real life.

Is this the real life where I'm supposed to believe the unproven and unsubstantiated?


Quoting Pauly:
just because your using a digital medium which uses 1's and 0's doesnt mean that it cant lose something along the way.

Yes it can lose something, it can lose exactly everything or exactly nothing. That's the magic of digital.


Quoting Pauly: By your reckoning,

how do you figure that?


Quoting Pauly:
a $50 dvd player will sound the same playing music as a $10000 cd player.

No! by my reckoning, a cable that adequately carries bandwidth to comply with an industry standard will do it just as well regardless of the size of the monitor, or the purchase price.


Quoting Pauly:
Listen, dont just read your spectrum analysis.

What am I listening for? I have better things to do than to listen for something which clearly does not exist.


Quoting Pauly:
A cable cannot improve a signal but it sure as hell can remove a lot.

Curious then that you said you could configure lesser equipment with these magic cables to achieve results that exceeded the specs of more capable products. Even more curious that Pioneer, Sony, Toshiba etc would include cables that would limit the capabilities of their products. You'd think these manufacturers would have a clue wouldn't you?



Quoting Pauly:
whether for listening to music via an ipod (which doesnt need to play music in mp3 format) that would convert the signal to analogue.

Whatever that is supposed to mean. You cannot on one hand extol the virtues of Blue-ray and in the same breath still consider the compromise of iPod to be anywhere near a quality musical delivery system.


Quoting Pauly:
The 10% to spend on cables is a pretty standard amount in the hi-fi circles.

Are those anything like crop circles? It would fit the theme.

As endorsed by retailers who love the margins on the stuff, and a Mr Lee who has become very comfortable creating the phenomonum of hearing stuff that cannot be seen heard or measured.


Quoting Pauly:
Its not exact but it works out very well.

Especially for the Retailers and for Monster Inc. Oh well at least you bought some bragging rights. You can tell anyone who will listen how good your expensive cables are.


Quoting Pauly:
you should also spend decent money on a well isolated stand (this also improves sound quality - if you test it)


Monster stands eh? How do they work for car audio or when listening to an MP3 via ear-buds?


Quoting Pauly:
mains isolation


And here we go again. You did of course run a Dranetz report on your mains? What you didn't? So you endorsing fitment of a device to solve a problem that more than likely doesn't exist either. A common theme is developing, isn't it.


Quoting Pauly:
and setting your room up to reduce excess sound absorption or reflection.

On that one you actually have a case, but try getting the room rearranged past the wife. No go, huh, and hence the market for magic cables is created. :>


Quoting Pauly:
Tech heads who spend all their time cannot grasp this as they cant measure it.

Yeah I mean why trust something you can measure when you can take the word of someone selling you something at at an outrageous price, or the word of someone desperate to justify their prior spending of an outrageous amount.


Quoting Pauly:
but you can damn well see and hear the difference.

And some folks claim they can see their ghosts too.



Quoting Pauly:
I do also love your attack on rap music.

Why thank you. It was a sentiment delivered straight from the heart.


Quoting Pauly:
granted it has been taken over by some poor artists and white record labels.

For the most part it looks to be run entirely by aliens. Sure sounds that way.


Quoting Pauly:
but the grass roots rap/hip hop music is still producing inspirational groups who will change the musical and political landscape for the better

We have seen the result of musicians in politics Pauly, it's unlikely to be repeated in any lifetime soon.


Quoting Pauly:
far more than your lazy bubblegum pop/ australian idol background music

Nothing to do with me lad!

One can only guess that your musical exposure has not slipped beyond the culture of popular promotion. That is truly sad. But don't panic, your young, there is still time.

12 January 2009, 2:46 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rick_Diculous (New user):

Interesting thread you guys have going here, i love to see fanboys going defending pointless products with there life, for example:

Quoting Pauly:
Welcome to real life. just because your using a digital medium which uses 1's and 0's doesnt mean that it cant lose something along the way

You might be surprised but over the short length of the cable mentioned here the difference between a $100 cable and this $1800 deal is going to be nothing, yes you can indeed lose data over a cable when its digital, and when it happens its very noticable (similar to compression artifacts in video, or the image will just drop out entorely, same with digital audio) HOWEVER! as long as you can get the 0's and 1's in tact to there destination, they will sound exactly the same, weather they are running over these $1800 cables or $100 cables. at the end of the line the hdmi signal will be converted to analog and pumped out your speakers, if you want a clearer sound, buy a better AMP, TV, DVD player ect, as its the end points of the digital signal that make the difference. spending $2k on a digital cable is not going to decode and re-encode the digital signal and improve it.
however, this debate wont stop here will it, you fan boys are still going to fight the point that the expansive cables are going to give a cleaner better quality audio.....

12 January 2009, 3:02 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (Regular user):

Quoting monstercable:
extremely complicated pieces of technology


An HDMI cable is complicated? I guess that's an invitation to go look at the specs for HDMI itself then... Let's see...
1.3 says 340MHz capable cable. That's almost nothing in modern terms. Cat 6 does better than that (and in fact can be used with some adapters to extend HDMI).


I also read this noteworthy entry about one of their ($29US) HDMI - DVI adapters:
"Exclusive dual-sided printing circuit board with evenly spaced traces to help prevent short circuits."

Now I'm no expert in this complicated HDMI thing, but that just screams cheesy Chinese rubbish... The claim about exclusive dual sided boards is almost certainly rubbish (if a dual sided board is easier, I can assure you others are doing it).
And the claim about evenly spaced tracks preventing shorts is bizare. If it's not shorted from the factory, an adapter like that is incredibly unlikely to ever get shorted. Crosstalk on the other hand is possible if spacing is incorrect, but even spacing won't fix that.

Oh yeah... Mr Monstercable... Some of us know what we are talking about...

12 January 2009, 12:20 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (User):

Quoting Tin:
Crosstalk on the other hand is possible if spacing is incorrect

Even spacing is likely to increase crosstalk!




Quoting Tin:
Oh yeah... Mr Monstercable... Some of us know what we are talking about...

indeed. Spare us the marketing Mr Monstercable and show us the independently proven science.

12 January 2009, 1:03 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Jolth (New user):

Wow that is really an expensive cable. I dont know if that is something that I want to use in my home theater. But still it is great that technology is advancing at a rapid pace and we are getting better and better technologies. www.theaterspecialtieslv.com

12 October 2010, 4:00 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Kaliq (New user):

Quoting Jolth:
But still it is great that technology is advancing at a rapid pace and we are getting better and better technologies.

Monster cables are not "better" nor are they a technological advancement over other cables. They are over hyped junk sold to suckers with more money than brains.

However, if you are interested, I'd be willing to sell you an HDMI 1.4 cable with some of my own "exclusive" technologies that drastically increase audio/video quality...Can I hear you applaud if you like that idea?
These patent pending technologies are as follows: X-fire9000, X-plosive super speed, X-treme eye candy...Lets give it up and cheer for these amazing new technologies!
The price is a steal at only $3,995 for a 6ft run. My cables aren't for everyone though, only the hardcore enthusiasts who want the absolute best media experience...Can I hear you applaud if you like that idea?!
So, how many of my cables can I put you down for?



03 January 2011, 6:58 AM (1 year ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

JanieGraham (New user):

Yeah, wow. You definitely don't need monstrous cable prices to get a good home theater. That's for sure. I can't wait until I get mine (if my husband ever makes enough money). If he doesn't though, that's okay. I clip coupons.

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