Now Conroy wants Google to filter YouTube in Australia

David Braue
09 February 2010, 3:00 PM


Stephen Conroy has expressed admiration for what he termed as Google’s role in suppressing controversial web content in China, Thailand and other countries.


In the latest twist over his controversial Web filtering scheme, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has expressed admiration for what he termed as Google’s role in suppressing controversial Web content in countries like China, Thailand, and elsewhere – and confirmed he is trying to use similar filtering to prevent Australians from viewing offensive content via Google-owned YouTube.

Calling the company “probably the world’s leading deep packet filterer, unbeknownst to most people,” Conroy told a Senate Estimates committee that he was discussing the possibility of getting Google to filter refused-classification materials from its YouTube video sharing site. “They have experience in blocking material in other countries at the behest of governments, including China, Thailand and a number of other countries," he added.

Google, however, is having none of it, denying both Conroy’s claims about deep-packet filtering and suggestions it would voluntarily filter RC content. “We don’t believe the comparisons between how China filters the Internet, and how Australia is looking at it, are relevant,” Google Australia head of policy Iarla Flynn told APCmag.com.

“Our view is that the scope of the Refused Content is simply too broad,” he continued. “It covers everything from child sexual abuse material to the very grey realms of social and politically controversial materials. YouTube is not for hate speech or pornography, and there are millions of people looking at our videos who can flag any video [as offensive]. But we cannot give assurances that we would voluntarily filter all refused classification content from YouTube.”

Although he added that Google “is committed to complying with relevant law in the countries we operate in”, Flynn would not be drawn on Google’s likely course of action should Conroy’s filter be passed as a legal requirement in Australia.

The difference of opinion between Google and Conroy isn’t the only inconsistency with his earlier statements: Conroy’s representation to the committee also contradicted his December statements that the filter would not affect Internet performance – a conclusion he has argued was supported by the Enex Test laboratory report into last year’s filter trials.

In his latest comments, however, Conroy acknowledged that extending an ISP-level content filter to cover YouTube content would have performance implications – which explains why he is hoping Google will voluntarily do the job for him. Google’s has well-known bias in favour of freedom of expression, including its recent ultimatum to the Chinese government, saying that it would no longer filter web results there and would rather pull out of China altogether. There was no indication what inducements Conroy has offered the company to see things his way.

The news comes, ironically, as Google and other organisations commemorate today as Safer Internet Day.

Conroy’s Internet filtering policy that has sparked widespread criticism and international human rights concerns, and fuelled planned protests on March 6 throughout Australia’s capital cities.


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petert (Advanced Forumologist):

Every day, this guy gets more and more scary with his ideas. What's more frightening, is that he is obviously supported by his Gov't, otherwise, he wouldn't be trying to implement these draconian ideas. So, just remember folks, YOU voted for him!

09 February 2010, 3:39 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

Yes Stephen.
you go on ahead and erect this "great filter" of Australia.
Not that being a backwash island in the pacific is you know- not enough isolation for us.

09 February 2010, 3:41 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

The Conroy ball's up counter is fast running out of digits. Anyone who voted for these clowns, buffoons and mad-men, should give themselves a good slap to ensure they don't make the same mistake again.

09 February 2010, 3:49 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

i am bleeding from the self- slapping.

so much for voting for a change.

change is bad- i have learned that now.

09 February 2010, 3:57 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

It would be so hilarious if he wasn't serious...

How hard is it to get someone declared insane these days?

09 February 2010, 3:56 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

apt.pupil (New user):

Quoting Tin:
How hard is it to get someone declared insane these days?


how about we skip the declarations and arrange an intervention.




09 February 2010, 3:59 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

todd_h86 (New user):

Cant we do like a prisoner swap with him? Maybe exchange someone who killed a whole bunch of people and in return then can have him?

09 February 2010, 4:08 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Raindog (New user):

Quoting todd_h86:
Cant we do like a prisoner swap with him?

Maybe we could swap him for something less dangerous like say a couple of drums of nuclear waste.


09 February 2010, 4:21 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phred (New user):

Quoting Raindog:
Maybe we could swap him for something less dangerous like say a couple of drums of nuclear waste.

Nah... Just send him back to his country of birth

09 February 2010, 5:12 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Tin (User):

Quoting Phred:
Just send him back to his country of birth


You know what... He'd probably fit into politics quite well over there with their ever increasing paranoia about everything. Perhaps they could put him on as Minister of Declaring All Photographers Must Be Perverts Or Terrorists. They seem to like that idea over there, and it shouldn't be any harder than what he's doing now.


Edit: I almost was going to suggest we swap him for Gordon Brown... But I regained my senses.

09 February 2010, 8:00 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phred (New user):

Stephen should change portfolios... Minister for State Sponsored Censorship!

I still maintain that Stephen turned to politics because he couldn't get a job elsewhere!

09 February 2010, 4:34 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

MichaelN (User):

When I was in China last year, ALL of YouTube was blocked (including embedded videos on other websites). Not very sophisticated blocking really.

As for the idiot Conroy, bring on the next election! If this government is re-elected it will be a disaster for Australia.

09 February 2010, 8:34 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Laplace (New user):

Australia - the new China/Stalinist nation! Next thing you know it people who voice opinions that threaten the political system will start "mysteriously" disappearing in accidents and incidents. Good f**king job Conroy!

10 February 2010, 3:25 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Rikiller (New user):

I HATE Stephen Conroy!

10 February 2010, 8:06 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Semicon (New user):

what astounds me is that this government is constantly looking at china as a role model....THEY ARE COMMUNIST!?!?

10 February 2010, 9:34 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Me In Oz (User):

Quoting Semicon:
THEY ARE COMMUNIST!?!?

"Birds of a feather" ........... After all. Kev07 can speak cantonese.


10 February 2010, 10:51 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Phred (New user):

Quoting Me In Oz:
Kev07 can speak cantonese

It's Mandarin... I've never heard him speak Cantonese, and I doubt the Chinese dictators speak it either, as Mandarin is the official language spoken in China.

Cantonese is mainly spoken in the Guangzhou region & Hong Kong.

10 February 2010, 12:23 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Martin of Gippsland (New user):

Conroy exhibits the supreme arrogance with regards to how he wants to censor Australia, to stifle political debate online and to make Australians tow the line that the Labor Party social engineers dictate.

10 February 2010, 10:28 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

fiona patten (New user):

What is frightening is how Conroy swaps the term refused classification with offensive. Offensive to who? Refused classification is bad enough and very subjective but offensive?

10 February 2010, 10:42 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

fiona patten (New user):

hey 101 can we put your new anthem (duly attributed) on the sex party website?

10 February 2010, 1:59 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

Quoting fiona patten:
hey 101 can we put your new anthem (duly attributed) on the sex party website?

Of course you can Fiona! I've already posted on your page anyway. Feel free to use and spread the message! :))



10 February 2010, 5:19 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/no_internet_censorship/
http://greens.org.au/node/5629
http://www.sexparty.org.au/

Tell everyone you know!!!

Show your disapporval people by voting either Greens, Aus Democrats or Aus Sex Party at the next election!

Just make sure that neither Labor or Liberal get your votes because they both have the same agenda regarding online censorship!!

10 February 2010, 11:45 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

Why are we just basing the filter blacklist on Broadcasting Classifications legislation?

The internet is a telecommunications carriage service, a postal service, a gaming network, a library of books, newspapers, images and video - and my main banking and shopping interface.

The parts of the internet that actually broadcast content are absolutely minuscule in comparison to these other main parts.

Why then are we imposing these 40-year-old broadcasting laws to new technologies and mediums?

Shouldn’t we be imposing criminal laws instead? Why not block what is actually illegal, not what is ‘potentially RC’?


10 February 2010, 11:47 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

Proof is finally here and as always I AM ALWAYS BLOODY RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING.

This censorship policy has NEVER been about the children. It was going to be used as a stepping stone towards broader censorship sweeps. Facebook, YouTube, Poker sites, Political sites, Medical Sites, News sites and much more!

Freedom of speech is at war here people! The sooner you realize this the sooner we can win this war!

I've been warning Aussies for quite sometime. I know EXACTLY what Conroy and his buddies are up to. *Inside information ;) *

Now Australian apathy is allowing it to happen. Our inability to see a threat and act on it could be our downfall.

Nothing is left sacred with extremists like this. He and Kevin Rudd are communist wannabes and I guarantee Aussies will have their say at the next election.

We need to change our Australian Nation Anthem to:
Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and no longer free
We've golden soil and no wealth for toil,
Our home is girt by ACMA:
Our land abounds in Labour's gifts
Of communism rich and rare,
In history's page let every stage
Regress Australia fair,
In joyful chains then let us sing
Regress Australia fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross,
We'll proxy with hearts and hands,
To make this Communism of ours
Renowned of all the lands,
For those who've come across the seas
We've boundless firewalls to share,
With apathy let us all combine
To regress Australia fair.
In joyful chains then let us sing,
Regress Australia fair.


10 February 2010, 11:47 AM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

petert (Advanced Forumologist):

I remind everyone, yet again, that Conroy would not be doing what he is doing without the wider support of Cabinet and his Party. It is utterly pointless simply being upset with Conroy. The real need is to remove the current Government. Sure, those are cheap words, but the critical issue on which to focus is that Conroy acting with the support and authority of Cabinet and his Party.

10 February 2010, 4:45 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

OzzyBloke101 (New user):

In no way are those cheap words.

Up until this point the entire Labour Party have escaped the public's Conroy onlsaught (save for Rudd). But as we know already "Birds of a feather..." ;)

What Labour is doing is nothing short of criminal and a gross abuse of power. What's worse is the misuse of public trust.

I agree. Focus WILL shift and the entire Labour Party will be held accountable. Rest assured.

Quoting petert:
Sure, those are cheap words




10 February 2010, 5:48 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

Semicon (New user):

you are right 101! Once they take away our freedom of speech it is not going to be handed back, even with a change of government.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"Those who give up a little liberty for a little security will lose both"
- (I heard it somewhere)

10 February 2010, 10:33 PM (3 years ago)report abuse Send to a friend reply

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